Bad Boys - Part IV

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Saint says: "We held discussions with three different organizations in Chicago (two of which were founded by his boss), but we haven't spoken with the fourth one yet because they are currently incarcerated."

silentsailor28 said:Look, kid, I’ve been chatting with fans on Facebook and through email for the last few weeks, and honestly, they treat him like total garbage when they get the chance...

It’s a total circus out there...
basically there’s no room for compromise!!

What kind of compromise are we even talking about? It’s like people think the Bad Boys are actually in some sort of bind where they need to play nice. Give me a break. In this corrupt mess of a country, he holds an insane amount of power and has more money than he knows what to do with. Honestly, you should be working to make his life outside of Yankee Stadium a total nightmare—make sure everyone from the local grocery clerk to kids in daycare knows exactly who he is. All this legal maneuvering and trying to squeeze him through the courts is just plain ridiculous.

Nathan Foster23 said:From what I'm hearing, things are falling apart in Cleveland, and San Francisco is looking even worse 🤣

It’s actually sunny in San Francisco today, and word from the local club is that the game is definitely still on.
Apparently, Pamic is pushing for a postponement because the roster is a mess.

Richard Rogers38 said:Svetina said: "we talked to 3 nonprofits in Washington, D.C. (two were started by his boss), but we didn't talk to the fourth one because they're in jail."

I mean, how can an entire organization be in prison? 😕

Noah Jones92 said:What kind of compromise are we even talking about? It’s as if the Bad Boys are in some sort of predicament where they're being squeezed, and people are telling them, "No compromises allowed." Don't be ridiculous. In this corrupt system, he wields incredible influence and possesses an absurd amount of money. Therefore, you should focus your efforts on making his life outside the walls of Yankee Stadium an absolute nightmare—make sure he’s persona non grata from the local market to the neighborhood daycare. This whole idea of trying to corner him through the courts is nothing short of laughable.

We need to mobilize the local population to build up a critical mass. Once that threshold is met, we can use every form of legal action available to shake the establishment at Yankee Stadium to its core.

By "legal actions," I am referring to organized advocacy, protests, grassroots civic movements, and so on.

To effectively sensitize the public, it would also be wise to draw interest toward other sporting arenas within the city. When we are playing on the East Coast or traveling for away games, it’s nearly impossible to attract anyone beyond the most die-hard supporters. People today are largely lethargic, particularly regarding Los Angeles FC, because the Mamić family has essentially held them hostage emotionally. However, lethargy doesn't mean permanent inactivity; they just need a catalyst.

There is no magic wand here, and nothing is going to flip overnight. Even if we entertained the delusional dream that the Mamić family would simply vanish from Los Angeles FC during the next away game, we likely wouldn't see any more fans than we have right now. We have to be persistent, we have to work, and we have to act constructively.

Cheers!

analogheron19 said:It’s sunny in Miami today and the club officials are saying the game is definitely on.
Supposedly Mamić is pushing for a delay because the roster isn't full enough.

It isn't sunny. It’s still pouring rain.

Look, there’s always a massive crowd waiting to be mobilized, man. It’s always been the same old story—we’ve always just been a core group of maybe ten people actually doing the work while everyone else just sits around jerking off, and from what I can see, absolutely nothing has changed. That protest back in the city square a few seasons ago? That was the real proof that the people are actually here... they’re just sleeping or whatever, and someone just needs to give them a damn shove. If anyone’s got footage from that rally, post it—I’d say there were at least 2,500 people there easy.

It’s raining here in Seattle today, with the sun popping out every now and then.😍

electricviper20 said:We need to get people in the city moving to build up a critical mass. Once we hit that tipping point, we can use every legal avenue possible to shake up the leadership at Yankee Stadium.

By "legal actions," I mean things like advocacy, protests, grassroots movements, and stuff like that...

To really wake people up, we should be pulling folks in at other sporting events around town too. It’s impossible to recruit anyone out on the East Coast or during away games—you only ever get the die-hards there. People are totally checked out right now, especially with Los Angeles FC because Mamić has been running the show for way too long, but that doesn't mean they won't step up; they just need a spark.

There’s no magic wand here. Nothing changes overnight. Even if some crazy dream came true where the Mamić family was kicked out of Los Angeles FC by tomorrow's away game, you probably wouldn't see any more fans than you do now. We have to stay consistent, put in the work, and actually be productive about it.

Cheers!

I try my best to stay out of these arguments, but honestly, I can't help myself...

Look, explain to me how exactly we "spark" them, according to your logic, because we all know how bad things are... What kind of spark? Are you seriously suggesting we go to random games that have nothing to do with Los Angeles FC? Are we supposed to cheer for Los Angeles FC or whatever other club? You think we can just "convert" people who showed up for some other team into sudden Los Angeles FC fans? How does that even work? Some guy goes to an arena, loves the vibe, thinks everything is great, and then shows up to Yankee Stadium or an away game and—boom—it's a total bust. Let's get real... out of 20 people you might manage to grab, maybe one would actually stick.

Or maybe I'm just missing something.

rapidharbor38 said:It’s not sunny, it’s still raining.

So, basically, the weather is all over the place😍. When I was typing this out, it was actually bright and dry—almost warm enough for short sleeves🙂

gentlemarlin102 said:I usually try to steer clear of these debates, but I can't just sit here and stay silent this time...

Look, walk me through it. Explain to me how you think this actually gets moving—from your perspective, at least—because we all know the reality of the situation here. What kind of incentive are we talking about? Are you suggesting we start showing up to games that have absolutely nothing to do with Los Angeles FC? Are we supposed to go to those matches and cheer for Los Angeles FC or some random XY club? And what’s the plan for the people who show up for XY? Are we going to magically "convert" them into Los Angeles FC fans overnight? How does that even work, and for what purpose? A person goes to an XY game, loves the incredible atmosphere in the arena—hell, they love the energy and the euphoria of the crowd—and then what? They come to Yankee Stadium or a Los Angeles FC away game and suddenly the vibe is dead? Let's get real here... out of twenty people you might manage to recruit, you'd be lucky if one actually showed up.

Or maybe it's just me who doesn't see the logic.

Let me offer you a practical example of how something like this could actually gain traction. An organization could develop a project designed to educate high school students about the culture, the history, and the actual mechanics of being a supporter. We're talking about 45-minute workshops led by association members, coordinated directly with principals and teachers. Given the sheer number of schools in this city and the surrounding suburbs, I am confident such a project would find its footing.

Through consistent effort over several years, the public perception of supporters would shift, and you'd naturally inspire kids to get involved with the association or eventually join the supporter group itself.

Some might find this idea naive, but these types of community initiatives have been running successfully for years in our neck of the woods, funded by municipal grants, county funds, and even the European Union.

So, why not give it a shot?

http://www.newyorker.com/sport/soccer-match-conditions-at-stadium
It just won't stop raining—honestly, I don't see how most of these guys are going to get out there and actually play

Alright boss, here we go:

🤣🤣🤣

electricviper20 said:Look, here’s how we could actually get this moving. The association could run a project to teach high schoolers about what fans actually do and why it matters. We could host 45-minute workshops led by our members, coordinated directly with principals and teachers. Since there are tons of schools in this area and surrounding suburbs, I’m certain the project would take off.

If we stick with it for a few years, we can totally change the public perception of fans. It’d motivate kids to get involved with the association or even join the supporter group later on.

Some people might think this is stupid, but these kinds of programs have been running for years right here in the States, funded by city grants, county funds, and even the European Union.

So why not give it a shot?

Hey, we're fans—we want to show your students what it's really like to be part of the crowd. 🤷
Does someone just need an A+ and a diploma to get a seat in the stands? 🤷
We strictly forbid any racial slurs or calls for violence... you gotta keep it civil, maybe some lighthearted trash talk, if that isn't too much. 🤷
And don't even get me started on the "certified" fans who end up loving this life as a career.
Would there be a special lesson on how to light flares? 🤷

🤮🤮

But Zaky says they’re playing in San Francisco—clearly, they aren't checking the forecast or the field conditions...🤷

electricviper20 said:So, I guess I could give you an example of how this might actually get off the ground. Maybe the association could put together a project to educate high schoolers about who fans really are and what they actually do. Like, the association members could run these little 45-minute workshops in coordination with principals and teachers at local schools. Since there are a ton of schools in the city and the surrounding areas, I feel like the project would probably be a success.

If you just keep at it consistently over a few years, I think the public perception of fans would start to shift, and maybe it would even encourage kids to get involved with the association or join the supporter group.

I know this might sound a bit silly to some people, but these kinds of projects have been running here for years, getting funded by the city, the county, and even the European Union.

Why not give it a shot?

Man, please, just go back and read that again, but try reading it like you didn't write it yourself, then quote yourself and write what most people would probably say. What kind of dead-end schools and lectures, city funding, county stuff, the European Union?????? Seriously, that all sounds like a course on hacking or making doilies.
I mean, why don't we just set up outside the shopping malls and carry bags to the doors for old ladies?
My God.

electricviper20 said:Look, I’ll give you a concrete example of how this could actually get moving... An association could put together a project aimed at educating high schoolers—teaching them about who fans are, what they do, and how everything works. We’re talking short, 45-minute workshops run by association members, coordinated directly with principals and teachers. Since we know there are plenty of schools in this city and the surrounding suburbs, I'm fairly certain the project would take off.

If you stay consistent over several years, you'd eventually shift the public perception of fans... you'd motivate kids to get involved with the association's work, or even eventually join the supporter groups themselves.

Some people might think this idea is foolish, but honestly, these kinds of projects have been running for years here—they get funded through city grants, county funds, and even the European Union.

So, why not just give it a shot?

How old are you, anyway?

It is cowardly and disgusting when certain individuals push these schemes intended to make a group seem more relatable to "ordinary" citizens🙂

What damn citizens or people? Can't you see that 90% of the population in this pathetic country are just mindless sheep?

And we’re supposed to try and manufacture their affection?

No way. The average American, whose opinions are manufactured by the media, thinks clicking a like or dislike button on Facebook is the height of political engagement...

The Bad Boys (the core) have always been radical, and that is how they should stay...

Back in the 80s, the public was on our side because everything aligned with nationalism and the drive for independence and breaking away from the old regime... In the 90s, people supported us because everyone opposed changing the name to America, and even there, support began to wane over time... Unfortunately, over the last decade, the American people have become so brainwashed and dull that they can't grasp anything anyway. Real hardcore fans are on our side regarding Mamić, but they remain passive; they are too preoccupied with daily struggles and the sheer monotony of life to bother fighting against the windbags. People simply don't put the team at the top of their priority list... It's more important for them to figure out how to survive paycheck to paycheck and secure a decent life for themselves and their families)

Throughout our entire history since the beginning, the Bad Boys have been seen by the public as a problematic group prone to chaos and incidents. So what?

The thing is, our struggle used to resonate with the majority, so they supported us regardless of any hooligan outbursts. Now, in an era where everyone obsesses over tolerance and liberalism, they condemn us instead.

For example: when the stadium was set on fire to protest a name change, the public didn't judge us nearly as harshly. But when a few flares are thrown at the sheriff to protest Mamić, the petty bourgeoisie immediately starts spitting venom on news sites while self-satisfyingly judging us.

Ultimately, a group will always have a core of a few hundred people. Depending on the era, various influences, and circumstances, there will be a number of followers and sympathizers who aren't part of the core but show up to away games, cheer, and understand the vibe.

Whether that number is a few hundred or several thousand depends on far too many unpredictable factors...

panenka said:Someone asked me for a suggestion, so I gave one. These kinds of projects happen right here in the States and throughout Europe, and they actually work. Sometimes you just need to look past your own backyard...

So, enlighten me—who exactly is running a project like that here in America?? By your logic, should a group be asking for federal grants so that, what, some guy from the local stadium or a big corporate sponsor shows up at every high school once a week to lecture kids on how to be a die-hard fan, or how we behave away from home versus at our own stadium? Just tell me you're messing with me, please.

You can't just waltz into a classroom and teach kids how to be fans—or whatever else you're implying. Everyone chooses their own path; you either have that spark in you to join this lifestyle, or you don't. You might prefer collecting stamps, napkins, or just tuning up cars instead... and honestly, anyone who only joins because someone else talked them into it? Their shelf life is incredibly short...😉