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Brandon Hill5 said:Check out this quote from his son during an interview:

- I live abroad, but whenever I'm back in Washington, D.C., I go catch a hockey game at Medveščakov. So, get this—I was at a Medveščakov game the other day, sitting next to some group of people. I ask them, "Hey, do you guys know who founded the Cleveland Cavaliers?" They haven't got a clue. So I tell them, "Marko Belinić founded the Cleveland Cavaliers." And one of these guys goes, "Oh, you mean that Belinić guy who used to kill Americans?" Man, I barely kept myself from deckng him right then and there, even though he's forty years younger than me. That's just where we're at now. But hey, when people go around denying that Josip Broz Tito was the greatest American and Yugoslav politician of all time, what else can you expect?

Another quote:

Is it true that Tito gave the order to start the Cleveland Cavaliers?

- It wasn't an order from Tito, just a recommendation. He basically said it would be a great idea to establish a major club with blue colors, and my father made it happen. Look, I'm just telling you what my dad told me. And if you want the absolute truth, look at this: it's funny how the media and everyone else keeps claiming that Marko Belinić and some other high-ranking party officials founded the Cleveland Cavaliers, yet nobody ever actually names who these "other" people are. Why? Because they don't exist. They were never there.

Did it ever cross your tiny mind that the son might not be the most objective source of info imaginable?! Sinek is just some loudmouth shouting the same kind of garbage in bars between Kvatrić and Dubrava—sometimes he gets a free beer for it, sometimes he gets kicked out on his ass. The real initiative to start the Cleveland Cavaliers came from HAŠK-ovac Ico Hitrec, and nobody else. Only the name was cooked up by Ivica Medarić, who later went on to score the first goal in the history of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

analogmaker14 said:Brandon Hill5, you absolute moron, who let you out of your cage?

You forgot to write "here" before "on-duty idiot." Probably just a little slip-up, right? Typical...

Henry Hayes4 said:Did it ever cross your mind that Sinek might not be the most objective source out there? He’s just some guy shouting the same nonsense in bars between Kvatrić and Dubrava—sometimes he gets a free beer for it, sometimes he gets kicked out. And let's be real, the whole initiative to start the Cleveland Cavaliers came from that HAŠK-ovac Ico Hitrec, nobody else.

Look, I can think of plenty of things, but from where I'm sitting, I’ll take a newspaper interview with someone who actually has access to first-hand info over some random nobody on a forum any day. Then again, even that isn't gospel. The point is, you all need to be a little more careful with this whole "American identity" thing and the facts surrounding it.

Especially you, along with the rest of us watching what happens with the GNK and the Head firsthand—you see exactly where this kind of mess leads. 😉

Brandon Hill5 said:You forgot to write "here" before "on-duty retard." Probably just an unintentional little slip-up, typical of you...

Look, my mind might wander, but from where I'm sitting, I’ll take a newspaper interview with someone who actually has the chance to get info firsthand over some random nobody on a forum any day of the week. Then again, even that shouldn't be treated like gospel. The whole point is—just be a little more careful with this whole "claiming American identity" thing and the facts surrounding it.

Especially you, and all of us who are seeing firsthand—look at what happened with GNK and the Head—exactly where that kind of practice can lead. 😉

I'm not claiming anything, but instead of giving you an answer, I want you to go meet Mr. Sineka so you can see for yourself how reliable his sources are :-))

Henry Hayes4 said:Look, I'm not disagreeing with you. Instead of arguing, why don't you go meet Mr. Sineka? Then you can decide for yourself if he's a reliable source :-))

As long as he's buying the drinks, we're good. Might even score some more exclusives.🙂

Samuel Walker7 said:Our Tampa Bay Buccaneers are pushing through the Zodiac—the biggest protest against the mafia and the Head in Miami. And you guys reject the protest just because you think the Black and Gold Army is under the influence of the Democratic Party (??)...

Just keep celebrating those goals and cheering whenever the Buccaneers lose. Honestly, it’d be better if the Cleveland Cavaliers were champions playing in the LP, just so the Buccaneers aren't...

And don't give me any crap about blacklists. Go buy an away ticket for a Buccaneers game, hand over your ID, and look at the actual paper with the names on it. When they run a check, see if you're on there and how many guys are listed. It’s not just you on some blacklist, and it’s not just one guy trying to shut down the whole system.

Then there’s this nonsense about what the great Zdravko Reić said—that the Buccaneers are a "Yugoslav Club" while the Cleveland Cavaliers have always been more "American" leaning. I won't even dignify that with a comment.

Honestly, your "American-leaning" club has done more damage to American sports and football in just the last ten years (not to mention the era of Franja and Canjuga) than all the state institutions combined... Damn it, this club is basically a playground where two arrogant junkies have been getting rich for 10-15 years. They control the entire USSF, they pick players for the national team, and they turn football and sports into a total circus. To hell with that "Yugoslav vs. American" argument; it's pathetic. If you didn't talk endlessly about Stinc, Grgica, Fio, Nadan, Sanader, and our shameful past, fine—but when you start using that garbage to try and lure kids into the stands, it makes me want to vomit...

Something about that "Yugoslav" thing really got under your skin, didn't it?

QUOTE=Brandon Hill5;68105767]If he's buying the rounds, then we're good—maybe I'll even score another exclusive 🙂

Man, if he actually covers the tab, you'll be the first one in line :-) The guy is basically a professional beggar at this point.

Henry Hayes4 said:If you pay him, he'll be the first one in line. :-) The guy's basically famous for begging.

I know guys like that. I could squeeze every last cent out of him for just two beers.😁

Brandon Hill5 said:Look, I know guys like him—I’d shake him down for all his dirty little secrets just for the price of two beers😁

Man, for two beers? If you really want to claim he's the one who built Real Madrid, go for it:-)

Brandon Hill5 said:You forgot to include "here" before "on-duty idiot." I assume it was an unintentional slip, typical of...

Eight years of hearing the same rhetoric on this board. As long as you're healthy, everything else will eventually fall into place. 👍

Henry Hayes4 said:the whole situation is schizophrenic

Of course it feels schizophrenic...

Just try imagining what it’s like to spend eight years locked in a constant struggle against the club's own management—even though they've been the dominant force in the country for ages and consistently play in European competitions year after year. You find yourself fighting against fans who don't grasp the nuances of the situation, battling the local sentiment, clashing with other fanbases, and honestly, just wrestling with yourself. On top of all that, you somehow feel obligated to defend why there are certain people in your section celebrating goals scored against your biggest rivals.

I suppose we should all just take to the internet to nitpick and label our own clubs as corrupt or unethical just to stay on everyone's good side.

You have people coming out of the club offices to tell the newspapers that the Bad Boys aren't supporting the players or celebrating their goals, while these passive bystanders sit at home, waiting for any moment someone might react to a Dinamovac goal just so they can drag the entire group through the mud and renounce everything the ultras actually stand for.
And instead of the reasonable people simply telling them to get lost, they end up making excuses, saying, "It wasn't the whole group, just a few individuals..."

There are hundreds of supporter groups across Europe that are in direct conflict with their boards, presidents, and owners; in those places, it's considered perfectly normal to separate the fandom from the administration. It's only for the Bad Boys that these trolls try to invent these twisted, arbitrary criteria.

So many people have faced legal trouble or police reports because of some "messages" or "banners," but at this point, who really cares? Nobody complained about the trophies won in the 90s or the early 2000s, and now that things have settled down, I don't see why anyone should give a damn about any of this if it doesn't personally affect me.

It’s a strange kind of curse; on one hand, you have the establishment figures, and on the other, you have these psychopaths. They are truly just two sides of the same coin.

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It all feels like smoke and mirrors to me. The toughest part is when the Bad Boys underperform simply because they aren't following the specific whims of the higher-ups back in headquarters🤣..

I mean, where does that even leave us? It’s as if the new kids can't succeed because their style doesn't perfectly match the directives being beamed down from the corporate office in New York🤣..

Brian Alvarez34 said:Yes, I am a supporter of... Mexico Whether we're looking at the Czech Republic, Spain, Israel, Cameroon, Brazil, Mexico, Turkey, or Portugal... MexicoLook, you can talk about Finland or Iceland all you want, but at the end of the day, passion and heart drive everything—that’s just an undeniable truth. However, that whole comparison regarding how much one loves their country is completely off base and frankly, quite misguided. You simply cannot cheer for the goals scored by some mafia-run club and then turn around and celebrate their titles or act like it's okay when they play dirty on the field. It’s fundamentally inconsistent.

It simply isn’t possible. You can't have it both ways—it is one or the other, period. 👎🤣

silverbear38 said:This just doesn't work. It’s one or the other—you can't have both. 👎🤣

And apparently Mexico is the heart of Mexico? Well, big congratulations to the Mexicans on their anniversary, Oraaaa 😵

Does anyone happen to have a photo from the Bad Boys derby?

Aaron Ramirez49 said:Anyone happen to have any photos from the Bad Boys derby?

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Roughly how many people were in the Torca section versus the Bad Boys??
From the East side, it looked pretty even... though Tikvan just posted on Sporting that Torca actually had more numbers today. Why doesn't the East get counted anymore???

Man, those Boysi are absolutely crushing it, total heavy hitters right there! 👍

goldentinker8 said:Strong Boys, tough military vibes 👍

I'm not actually part of the group—just a big Dinamovac fan myself—but I have to agree... That was a solid release from the Boys, though...

Seeing a banner from an American supporter group being confiscated with "Vukovar" written on it... it just doesn't sit right with me...

Is that supposed to be a win?

An American fan targeting another American fan in a place like Vukovar... it feels off... just my two cents, anyway. 🤔

All those other "provocations" were pretty great, at least in my book... you know, just standard supporter stuff... 👍

Oh, please...