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Carl Hernandez3 said:Sadly,
The truth is
Let's say—would Syriza have even come to power if they hadn't been stirring up all that unrest and chaos? Or would the Democratic Party or New Democracy still be running things in Greece
? If everyone had just stayed checked out—you know, distracted by binge-watching soap operas or those cheesy reality dating shows... maybe "The Fifth Day"...
I guess sometimes you actually need to tear half a city apart just to get things moving.

Take this madness as an example
In Greece, it feels like almost every single party encourages unrest and chaos—and honestly, even if they didn't, there probably would have been trouble anyway. They've had this culture of violent protests since the seventies, so I don't think Syriza, or even that contradictory politician Alexis Tsipras, really had much to do with it one way or the other.

Keith Baker93 said:Is that really the core issue? Just walking down to City Hall, the police station, or finding some musicians? I mean, the pansy protection association seems to have enough drive to organize a protest, yet the Boys don't. A group could easily fund this—all they’d need to do is pass a collection bucket during a pre-announced derby to raise money for a big demonstration. Besides, protests aren't even that expensive; most of the budget goes toward the bands anyway. If, for example, it's too much to ask for the fans to sing five songs for their own club and they're demanding huge fees, then maybe just find some local garage band willing to play for burgers and beer. There are tons of young bands out there just dying for a chance to prove themselves in front of a crowd. A little improvisation might go a long way.

The protest should probably happen at Times Square or Pennsylvania Avenue, mostly because around here, politics and soccer are pretty much inseparable. An Englishman wouldn't feel the need to show up at Theresa May's doorstep just because he's unhappy with his club, whereas we practically have to march right up to the offices of people like Andrej Plenković or Milan Bandić.

As for the whole thing about rallies and unions... well, yeah, the goal is to get as many people out there as possible. That's exactly why the Boys have never managed to pull more than 1,000 people to a single protest. Back when things happened on the Boardwalk, they had speakers, music, and those organized community groups, which drew 50,000 people who really sent a message. The whole country was talking about it. You guys probably think tens of thousands of people are just going to show up to your little marches to yell about bitter herbs and headless Mamić. They won't, because regular people generally prefer a civilized protest. If you don't care about building a massive crowd, then I guess we just have to accept that the Boys will never pull more than 1,000 people to a rally.

And I have one more question: over the last ten years, what’s the largest number of people the Boys have actually gathered for a protest?
I'm not talking about the little gatherings before a derby or a big game, but actual, legitimate protests. Is that number even four digits? And honestly, who's to blame that during ten years of Mamić's tyranny, they couldn't gather more than 1,000 people at any single protest? Who is responsible? I have my own thoughts on who's at fault. It might be a bit late now, but six or seven years ago, a massive crowd could have been assembled if the core leadership of the Boys actually had the will, the knowledge, and the ability to do it.

mentioned the fans for the third time
Listen, dear child, for that four-eyed hippie disaster, the problem was simply showing up to a small group and singing two songs, so maybe stop living in a fantasy land.

analogheron19 said:Why don't you just head home? I'm sure your mom is calling you for some grits or cornmeal so you can make it to bed before dark.
The Boys have always had—and will always have—the oldest, most consistent crew around. Maybe the only real difference between us and those idols of yours from the street gangs in Belgrade is that over there, people actually show respect. Here, though, you get guys like you who feel entitled to generalize about who's "older" and disrespect the very people who built this group while you were still busy wandering around between your old man's left and right testicles.
There aren't "old" or "new" Boys—there are just jerks, fools, and thieves, and they'll be around regardless of their age.

If he’s aiming at the veterans ( Podaupski), he’s kind of right, I guess. The original vision for what C and L intended has basically turned into an alcoholic's club. Half the people in the stands haven't even shown up for local games, let alone away matches, yet they're somehow the loudest critics, constantly hitting on the younger generation online. It's funny, really—they act like they've been here the whole time, when in reality, there weren't even fifteen of them back in the day.

briskfalcon67 said:If he’s taking aim at veterans ( Podaupski), he’s kind of got a point. This whole thing used to have a real purpose back when the original founders were around, but now? It’s turned into a total drunk tank. Half the people on this forum haven't even stepped foot in a local arena, let alone traveled for an away game. Yet, they’re the loudest ones out here, constantly nitpicking and spamming useless likes against the younger generation. They act like they've been part of the club forever, but there aren't even fifteen of them actually showing up.

I don't know who his target was, but since he's clearly wasted, it's obvious he's just swinging blindly... probably out of pure ignorance.

briskfalcon67 said:[/B]

The first bold—honestly, the average citizen in this city hasn't given a damn about this for over twenty years unless they're being blasted all over the news. Take Medveščak, for example; they've spent the last few years acting like media puppets, pretending everyone's part of the same big happy crowd. They're basically mainstream because they push that "sports fan" vibe—lots of chicken and sausages, clapping along to those "defense" chants.
Second bold—same story there.
Third bold—those guys hanging around the girls? They were never actually a cohesive group that would show up to a game unless the club or sport was trending in the media right now.
Fourth bold—if you're talking about that protest with the old-school symbols near the mosque a few months back (that's the only one that fits your description), then you're clearly talking about the protest over renaming the square. You obviously weren't anywhere near it, because while a bunch of punks were shouting insults at people from the sidelines, the one guy who actually stepped up—just by tossing an empty can toward the crowd—was practically swallowed up by the police and ended up in the hospital pretty much instantly. That, and the incident on the subway shortly after.

I’d write more, but what’s the point? They’ll just delete my posts again for having an opinion that doesn't fit the mold.

I'll just address your last point: Sure, things were different back then. But look, on May 5th, 2018, right in the middle of Chicago, people gathered at the embankment near the Freedom Bridge. These are folks who believe Chicago was liberated in '45, not the 90s. They'll be out there carrying gay pride, Yugoslav, and Soviet flags. And this isn't some one-off thing; these rallies have been happening in Chicago for years. Not to mention all those "anti-fascist" nights down in the Swamp where "anti-fascist" bands play their "anti-fascist" songs... all right in the heart of Chicago. This city has become incredibly tolerant. Pretty soon, it'll be like San Francisco, where you can walk through downtown wearing Red Star or Partisan jerseys without anyone blinking an eye.

Keith Baker93 said:I’d give a more detailed response, but there’s really no point—they'll probably just delete my posts again because people can't handle a different perspective, even though they claim to be all about democracy and freedom of speech.

Regarding that last part you mentioned: Okay, fine, back then it was one thing. But look at today—May 5th, 2018—right in the middle of Washington, D.C., specifically out in the Marshland area near the Freedom Bridge. You'll have people gathering who actually believe Washington, D.C. was liberated in '45 rather than the 90s. They’ll be carrying gay, Yugoslav, and Soviet flags. And honestly, this isn't even the first time these kinds of things have been organized in D.C. These Marshland rallies have been happening for a few years now. Not to mention the various anti-fascist nights down in the Swamps and similar gatherings where "anti-fascist" bands play "anti-fascist" songs... all right in the heart of Washington, D.C. It's become a very, very tolerant city. Pretty soon, much like in Cleveland, you'll probably be able to walk through downtown wearing Red Sox or Yankees jerseys.

And seriously, man, what have you actually accomplished in that regard, other than just lurking on this forum if it bothers you that much?
Maybe go take a stroll with the BB crew and see how many people they've locked up for those ridiculous outbursts from that group you dislike so much—and how many others are still behind bars for the same stuff. Maybe then it might be a bit clearer why they get ignored.
Well, Elem, you've spent your time bashing a whole group, protesting, and calling for Pipse (🤦 ). Now that it doesn't suit you to charge at the police to try and break up Antifa etc., damn, are you even satisfied with anything?

My apologies to Valsimote and everyone else who was offline 🙂

briskfalcon67 said:Look man, what have you actually done about it besides hanging around this forum complaining if it bothers you so much?
Go take a walk with the Bad Boys crew and see how many people they’ve locked up just for being chaotic or having outbursts, or how many are still sitting in a cell for the same thing. Maybe then you'll get why everyone just ignores them.
Well, you've spent all this time bashing the group, the protests, and calling out Pipse (🤦 ). Now that nobody's rushing in to charge at the cops to try and smash some anti-fascists, are you actually happy now?

I don't live in Washington, D.C., so I'm doing what I can. Where I'm from, stuff like this definitely wouldn't be tolerated. It makes you wonder—how is it that these people can gather in D.C. but they couldn't do it anywhere else in America?

I didn't bash the whole group; I just said the leadership could've handled things way smarter and better.

Pipse is just one example. They could've called on stoka, chaos, Tramovac, whoever... they could've even invited some local kids from a no-name band to play; it would've been an honor for them to perform in front of a crowd like that.

Keith Baker93 said:I don't live in Washington, D.C., so I do what I can from where I am. In my neck of the woods, they definitely wouldn't tolerate these kinds of demonstrations. It makes you wonder why these people can gather right there in D.C. while everywhere else in America, they aren't even allowed.

I wasn't bashing the group itself. I was criticizing the leadership. I honestly believe they could have managed things much more effectively and with a lot more intelligence.

The Pipse situation is just one example. They had options. They could have invited Stoka, Chaos, Tramovac, whoever... they could have even called up some local kids from an unknown band in D.C. who would have been honored to play for a crowd like that.

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Keith Baker93 said:I don't live in Washington, D.C., so I do what I can from where I am. In my neck of the woods, this kind of stuff definitely wouldn't be tolerated. The real question is—how is it that these people can rally in D.C., but they can't do the same thing anywhere else in America?

I wasn't bashing the whole group—just the leadership. I think they could have managed things a lot more intelligently and effectively.

Pipse is just one example. They could have called out Stoka, Nereda, Tramovac, whoever... they could have even invited some nobodies from a local D.C. band; it would've been an honor for them to play in front of a crowd like that.

I could gather a crowd in any major US city—they celebrated their version of "liberation" in Miami last year, for instance. But in smaller places like Mokosica, they probably would’ve been ignored, much like how the crowds were for that Sandra Afrika concert two years ago. Most of these leftist types are just kids from other parts of the country who moved here for college and ended up stuck at Medica with a needle in their arm. Believe me, they know exactly where they belong on the street... that's why they stare at the ground when they walk. Cops just send them back to their home addresses after a party, and their biggest "action" is getting sprayed with car paint at 5 AM. They have zero connection to actual street culture or any kind of code—they're just typical posers who get protected like Siberian tigers. Honestly, if they wanted to, this latest generation of WAZ could be wiped out tomorrow since nobody in our scene actually considers them a real fan group (which they aren't). You really should have posted that Antifa stuff in the politics thread. Why should the guys in this group constantly stick their necks out to clean the streets of Antifa or immigrants, only to spend the next few weeks ritualistically trashing them again? This is a perfect chance for the local branches to prove their loyalty and go clear out Trnje on May 5th. After all, they're the "true patriots" and protectors of America—I might as well join forces with Klemm and Bujanec right now... while everyone else is just a handful of thugs. I don't particularly like him, but I remember one of the co-owners of the SS club used to tell stories about those Red Sox rallies/gatherings. 🙂 I was about his age back then, just staring at his tattoos.

Keith Baker93 said:I’d go into more detail if I could, but honestly, what's the point? They’ll probably just delete my posts again because they can't handle anyone having a different opinion.

I'll just address that last part: Fine, back then it was one thing. But look at May 5th, 2018—right in the middle of Washington, D.C., during those "Marshland" rallies. You'll have people gathering by the embankment near the Freedom Bridge who genuinely believe the city was liberated back in '45 rather than in the 90s. They’ll be waving gay, Yugoslav, and Soviet flags. And this isn't some isolated incident; these kinds of things happen in D.C. all the time now. These Marshland protests have been popping up for a few years already. Not to mention all those various anti-fascist nights held down in the Swamps and similar gatherings where "anti-fascist" bands play their "anti-fascist" songs... all happening right in the heart of the capital. Washington, D.C. has become such an incredibly tolerant city. Pretty soon, much like in Cleveland, you might actually be able to walk through downtown wearing Red Sox or Yankees jerseys.

So, Washington, D.C. has become a tolerant city. Okay... and? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

If you think that being tolerant means being way too accepting of things it shouldn't be, or if you feel the city has become apathetic and is losing its identity—basically letting itself get screwed over—then hey, feel free to throw on a Yankees jersey, take a stroll through the center, and let us know how that goes for you.

Best,

Must be nice having a life where the biggest thing you have to worry about is some patch of Marshland.

Marshland? I mean, isn't that supposed to be a tribute to the liberation of Washington, D.C.? What's the big deal?

urbanwalker66 said:The Marshland stuff? I mean, I assume that's meant to honor the liberation of Washington, D.C.—so, what's the actual issue here?

Hey there, young anti-fascist.

I’m not even going to touch the whole Marshland situation since it’s totally beside the point, but have you noticed how every single person living in Washington, D.C. seems to have a personal checklist of which Bad Boys should be rotting in jail, hitting the streets, or charging through police lines while those guys just sit there sipping coffee downtown?
Some people are out to get the leftists, some hate the immigrants, others are targeting the Romani, then you’ve got the fascists tagging walls with ugly graffiti, some are furious about people poisoning dogs, one group wants to protest the entire state of the country, another has their own specific grudge, and the seventh group is obsessed with fighting the Istanbulski stuff.
The second someone posts a photo of the Boys on a "why love Washington, D.C." page or shares a clip from the latest protest, dozens of these self-righteous moral crusaders come crawling out of the woodwork. And honestly, most of them aren't even being malicious; they’re just plain stupid.

On the flip side, when it actually came time to protest for Real Madrid—to fight for something concrete, local, and uniquely American, specifically against one of the biggest mobsters in the country, complete with support from the legendary big four and official petitions—suddenly all the Bad Boys are nowhere to be found. They just vanished. All it required was showing up and putting real pressure on the political elite; nobody could have ignored thirty thousand people on the street.
In the end, it was mostly just the BBB and the Real Madrid fans who were part of the circle, either because they felt a connection to the group or simply didn't mind standing alongside the "hooligans." I never considered myself a Boy, as I was always more drawn to the East, but I never had an issue standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the "hooligans."

If you want the truth, the only reason Mamić is still riding high is because of the Washington residents and the die-hard fans from the surrounding areas. That is the cold, hard reality.

You’ve completely lost the plot... honestly, nobody from the Bad Boys expects you guys to be the ones leading the charge for protests... and frankly, every time someone goes off-topic, it just makes things worse. You’ve actually managed to alienate the whole Washington, D.C. crowd too—believe it or not—because they just can't get behind your views, which seem to get more extreme by the damn day. Back when the stands were packed, everyone felt welcome... we had punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but now? If you have even a slightly different opinion, you're basically told to kick rocks. And then you have the nerve to wonder why they won't join your side.

Really, who are you trying to convince? Who exactly wasn't welcome in the stands? During the era you're describing—when the crowds were significantly larger—the atmosphere was far more intense. In fact, it wasn't uncommon for people to be tossed out of the stands if they weren't showing proper support.
When was the last time you actually saw an adnji in person? I suspect you wouldn't know, because I am quite certain you haven't attended a single match in years...

Jonathan Williams3 said:You’ve lost the plot... honestly, nobody from the Bad Boys expects anyone to be leading protests... actually, any time you stray from the main topic, it just does more harm than good. That's probably why you've alienated the Washington, D.C. locals too, whether you believe it or not... they just don't vibe with your views, which seem to get more extreme by the day. The stands used to be packed because everyone felt welcome—you had punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but nowadays, if you're even slightly different, you're basically told to get lost. And then people wonder why they won't join your side.

Don't take this personally, but your posts read a bit like they were written by someone whose parents grounded them from every game, or maybe by someone who tried to get into the cheering scene once, failed miserably, got a bruised ego, and decided to just stay home forever.

Jonathan Williams3 said:I guess you've lost touch with reality... nobody from the Bad Boys expects anyone to be out there leading protests... and honestly, straying off topic just ends up making things worse. It seems like you've pushed away the local Washington, D.C. crowd too, because whether you believe it or not... they don't really vibe with your views, which seem to get more extreme all the time. Back when the stands were packed, everyone felt welcome... you had punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but now, if you happen to have even a slightly different opinion... you're basically told to get lost. Then people wonder why they won't join your side.

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Jonathan Williams3 said:You're delusional... nobody among the Boys expects us to be the ones starting protests... actually, straying off-topic just ends up hurting the cause. That's exactly why you've alienated the Washington, D.C. crowd—whether you believe it or not—because they don't vibe with your views, which seem to get more extreme by the day. The stands used to be packed because everyone felt welcome... punks, rockers, skins, even the preppy types... but now, if you're even slightly different, you're out. Then you wonder why they won't join you.

Not at all—the stands weren't extreme one bit...