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Joseph Parker11 Joseph Parker11 Member
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#841 ·
Steven Thompson16 said:If it wasn't for this, or if it wasn't for that... if they really took such a beating, how is it that not a single person ended up in the hospital, just some random Ultras? And let's be real, that wasn't a scouting party; they just sent a few guys to bait you. So what if a few Ultras went down? A whole bunch of thugs went down when they robbed that construction site on the highway—those were serious criminals—and more in the city. Honestly, props to those who showed up despite the ban, and props to the ones who held the line. This topic is played out.

While I agree this subject has been chewed up and spat out long ago, I personally feel there is a massive handicap when it comes to the Blue boys. When they manage to take over an away stadium, the crowd tends to fracture into small groups of three to six people almost immediately. You simply don't see that happening with The Deli, even when we try to compare them. Even their own hardcore fans admit that it's only their sheer numbers that give them any real momentum...
That’s just my humble opinion.
Joseph Parker11 Joseph Parker11 Member
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#842 ·
Christian Jones said:

I still remember him... they used to call him "little Hassan."
Raymond Reed10 Raymond Reed10 Active Member
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joined Nov 2015
#843 ·
Look, it’s time to head down to the Department of Education during business hours to protest. I don't think we need a massive crowd for this. The goal here is just to save the Dodgers and send some very clear messages to the new Secretary. We can't stop fighting for the rule of law. We have to end this occupation of the club once and for all.

http://www.nogometplus.net/nogometpl...%E2%80%9C.aspx
Walter Martinez6 Walter Martinez6 Newcomer
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#844 ·
Christian Miller48 said:I actually know a few guys from my neighborhood who went to their first Dodgers game recently—mostly guys in their 20s—and honestly, looking at how things go, it’ll probably be their last. Usually, those are the types who show up to a shopping mall's grand opening, some new nightclub launch, or a Republican Party victory party, and then they're done with it.

Back when I was attending maritime academy in New York City, whenever the Dodgers had a big game, they’d just let us out of class early. It hasn't changed much, either; my son is going through the exact same thing at his school now.
Can you see the difference? 😁
Walter Martinez6 Walter Martinez6 Newcomer
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#845 ·
Raymond Reed10 said:Listen, guys, it’s about time we stage a protest outside the Department of Commerce during business hours. We aren't looking for a massive crowd here; the goal is simply to save the Dodgers by sending a clear message to the new Secretary. We can't just sit back—we have to push for the laws to actually be enforced. Stop the takeover of the Dodgers.

http://www.nogometplus.net/nogometpl...%E2%80%9C.aspx

The Republican Party and the church are running the show right now, so I'd say we need to wait "just a tiny bit." The turtle will eventually crawl its way back into the courtroom, and the show goes on...
Aaron Parker70 Aaron Parker70 Active Member
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#846 ·
Raymond Reed10 said:If there’s ever any chance of the club returning to its former glory, the hardcore supporters will follow suit and return to those "old paths of glory," though frankly, I find it hard to believe that will ever actually happen again.
The core group lost a massive amount of people who simply drifted away or stopped showing up to games; I’m not talking about the casual derby crowd, but the actual backbone of the movement. If someone from that inner circle started listing all the names of those who vanished, they’d probably come up with a pretty long list of high-quality people. It feels like that steady decline started somewhere around that big spectacle back in mid-May and just kept going until today. But why be so pessimistic? That group is still standing and they’re still fighting; if anything, they seem more proud than ever of everything they’ve accomplished and the path they chose, which might have even made them stronger than they were ten years ago.

As for who beat whom and when... honestly, if those thirty guys hadn't been spread out at that airport in Athens, they wouldn't have stood a chance against anyone, assuming everyone had been standing in the exact same spot during the confrontation. Would anyone have even blinked an eye back then if even half of them had been right there in the thick of it? But they couldn't all be in the same place at once for a dozen different reasons.
It was the same story in Kyiv, Paris, and Luxembourg—attacks happened precisely when the group was split up rather than being gathered together, just like in Athens. If they hadn't been separated during all those away trips, I am certain they would have absolutely crushed their opponents.

Has someone from the Black Army finally admitted they took a beating in Paris?
Raymond Reed10 Raymond Reed10 Active Member
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#847 ·
Aaron Parker70 said:did one of the Black Army guys finally admit they lost those fights in Paris?

🤦🤦 I guess I'm not sure how you read that from what was said. And I don't think I ever said I was part of the Black Army. As far as I know, things in Paris were just left unresolved. If the Black Army had actually shown up in full force, they would have swept the streets in Paris. Same goes for what happened in Kyiv, Luxembourg, or Athens.
Ethan Cook Ethan Cook Member
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#848 ·
Acting like children with that "if they had been at full strength" nonsense. Which one of you actually thinks that matters more? 🤦
A Anonymous Veteran
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#849 ·
LA Galaxy vs. LAFC 4-0 blowout back in 2014

Raymond Reed10 Raymond Reed10 Active Member
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#850 ·
Ethan Cook said:The whole "if they were at full strength, they would have swept them" argument is just childish. I guess which one makes more sense is 🤦

I'm not talking about total numbers, I mean splitting up the BBBs into smaller groups, which is why some of them got targeted during those trips

There were 100 BBBs in Athens who didn't get touched; they weren't even near where those thugs jumped those other 30 guys. Or look at the crew at the stadium in Kyiv who wasn't involved in the brawl. That's what I'm getting at, not the total amount of BBBs. Maybe a small group would have had a chance if they actually coordinated something out in a field somewhere.
shadowangler8 shadowangler8 Member
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#851 ·
Look, it’s the same old story... plenty of people have either walked away with unfinished business or taken a massive hit just because they were arguing about whether it's 30 degrees here or 30 degrees there. A little bit of this, a little bit of that, some petty grievances, constant nagging over nothing... it’s nothing new. Just keep your head up and learn from the experience. I'll never forget what an old veteran told me at the very start of my career: anyone who claims they haven't taken a beating is either lying through their teeth or thinks they're Superman.
boldtiger7 boldtiger7 Active Member
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#852 ·
Aaron Parker70 said:Has anyone from the Bad Boys actually come forward and admitted they took a beating in Paris?

It is quite fascinating that you somehow possess such intimate knowledge regarding who got beaten up in another country... one can only assume your source is some local ultra fan.
Keith Myers4 Keith Myers4 Newcomer
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#853 ·
Look, some people here are really taking things way too far. Even back in Kyiv, if my memory serves me right, the Bad Boys definitely had a numbers advantage of at least twenty people.

The whole point of traveling and heading out on away trips across Europe is to actually get out there—to walk the streets, see the sights, meet the locals, check out different clubs and cafes, you know? Sure, it makes sense to link up for a few hours before kickoff, but spending two or three days stuck in a pack of 50 to 100 people, just hovering around one or two spots the entire time? That’s just a complete waste of a trip.

I was actually chatting with a guy from another group that traveled through a city I had visited just a month prior. Honestly, I was pretty shocked to hear that they spent two full days huddled together in a group of 20 or 30, never once branching out. This city has so much to offer! Even I couldn't manage to hit everything on my bucket list, and we all know you can't exactly just wander into whatever spot you're interested in when you're dragging a crowd of 20 people behind you...
Raymond Reed10 Raymond Reed10 Active Member
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#854 ·
Keith Myers4 said:I think the Bad Boys had at least 20 more people than them in Kyiv, if I recall correctly.

That's not really how you "know." It wasn't that BBB was stronger by 20 people; it was more like an equal split. I guess the fact that 49 BBB members were arrested that time proves it.
They weren't even beaten up—if anything, those Spartak crews from Moscow ended up with more injuries. But they did admit they backed down when facing the Spartak hooligans.
What I'm saying is that the portion of BBB who were in Kyiv (the ones who showed up at the stadium later) wasn't actually part of that fight. And I suppose that was the first time during European trips where BBB got targeted specifically because they weren't all together.
Keith Myers4 Keith Myers4 Newcomer
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#855 ·
Look, I honestly thought there were about 60 or 70 of the BBB guys there, but even if it was only 40, does it really matter now? That small group of ten people from CSKA Kyiv got jumped too.

The thing is, when it went down, they were caught off guard because not everyone was present; just like you mentioned regarding those previous away games where the whole crew managed to stick together... sometimes you just don't have the backup you need, or you're outnumbered, and you can't always control how the variables line up.
Jeremy Brooks3 Jeremy Brooks3 Member
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#856 ·
Keith Myers4 said:Honestly, I thought there were like 60 or 70 BBB fans there, but maybe it was just 40... doesn't really matter now, I guess. Even that little group of 10 people got jumped by those CSKA Kyiv guys.

Just 7 people, and they still ended up facing an opponent that was four times their size, I guess.
Aaron Parker70 Aaron Parker70 Active Member
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#857 ·
boldtiger7 said:It’s pretty funny how you suddenly know someone in another country got jumped... I'm guessing your source is just some random hooligan offshore.

Well, why don't you actually tell us what happened since you're already talking about it? Why does there always have to be this vague, shady storytelling involved?
Robert Evans30 Robert Evans30 Member
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#858 ·
Scott Jones9 said:
John Campbell27 John Campbell27 Active Member
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#859 ·
Hello everyone, I am not particularly active on this forum, though I certainly follow the discussions here with regularity. Before I proceed, I want to preemptively address the accusations that inevitably come from certain frequent commenters: I am not a corporate shill, I am not on anyone's payroll, I am not an idiot, and I am not a political partisan. I make a point of traveling for away games, I regularly attend Futsal matches, and I am heading to Des Moines this coming Saturday. I have a few thoughts I would like to put forward publicly to gauge the collective opinion of this community. First, I want to offer my sincere praise for the group’s recent efforts, particularly regarding the organized support for the Futsal Real Madrid side. That is a perfect blueprint for how this organization should function—intelligent, coordinated, and unified (though I have heard whispers that our cohesion hasn't been quite as strong lately). Furthermore, I want to commend the planning for the recent match in Des Moines, as well as our previous trips to Columbus and San Antonio. The ideas are fantastic, and the execution has been top-tier. We need more projects exactly like these. On a related note, the merchandise selection in the fan shop is excellent; there are beautiful T-shirts and scarves, and I was quite impressed by this year's calendar, even if I haven't had the chance to purchase one yet after seeing the photos. Now, we move to the part where I am certain many of you will tear me apart. I am profoundly disappointed that the group has not made a decision to extend our support to other sports. In a major metropolis like New York City, there are numerous successful athletic clubs with storied histories, many of which have unfortunately been tarnished by the kind of corrupt, backroom dealings that have plagued the New York sports scene for decades. This leads me to ask a few questions: why shouldn't the group support the Los Angeles Lakers, the Boston Celtics, Long Beach Water Polo, or the New York Rangers? Naturally, the immediate response will be about regional leagues and avoiding competition with those old rivals we moved past twenty-five years ago. I agree with that sentiment entirely. BUT... what happens in ten, fifteen, or twenty years when Real Madrid enters a broader regional league? We won't suddenly abandon them then and claim we won't participate in the league. Above all, the BBB is the group that should be leading the charge in supporting local institutions in New York City. Just imagine the atmosphere at a Long Beach Water Polo match supported by the Mladost-Jug 2000 BBB!!! Imagine the positive media coverage we could earn through such presence. I truly believe the group should consider looking past old grievances and attending various sporting events across the city. If not for the sake of the clubs themselves, then at least to provide them with much-needed financial support through ticket sales. There is also a practical reason for this. The last time there was a game played in New York City that the BBB attended was a Futsal match back in December. Think about that—there were no organized activities from December until February. What are the younger members supposed to do during those three months? They end up hanging out in bars or just idling around instead of being part of the movement. When that happens, they lose the momentum required for match days; they'd rather go out to a club than show up at the stadium. You only have to look at the crowd during away games to see the issue. The youngest supporters are often eighteen or older; we are missing the youth in the stands—the kids who will grow up in this culture and become the core of our group in ten or fifteen years. If we continue on this path, there won't be anyone left to cheer in a decade. That is the reality. Futsal is a great way to draw the younger generation into the lifestyle, but we need to create a consistent rhythm so they are attending games three or four times a month. That is how you build lasting success. Imagine if we had a city with a sports scene as deep as ours; we would be present at everything. All the conditions are met; we simply need to make the call to go. I am certain that even at a basketball or hockey game, we could bring at least 300 people. If the general public saw the quality of our support, even more would join us. Within a year, I guarantee that regardless of the sport, we could have hundreds of people at every major game in the city. I want to conclude by calling for unity within the group once more. Let us move together as one toward ultimate victory! Additionally, I have a few thoughts on increasing our humanitarian initiatives. I know the rank and file can sometimes be skeptical of fundraising efforts for various causes...
Walter Martinez6 Walter Martinez6 Newcomer
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#860 ·
John Campbell27 said:Hey everyone. I’m not exactly a regular poster here, but I follow the discussions pretty closely. Before I get into anything, let me clear the air regarding the usual suspects who love to jump down people's throats: I am not some corporate shill, I’m not being paid off, I’m not an idiot, and I’m certainly not some outsider looking to cause trouble. I show up to the games, I show up to the Futsal matches, and I’m heading out to Des Moines this Saturday. I have a few thoughts I wanted to put out there to see what the rest of you think. First off, I want to give props to the group, especially for how things have been handled regarding the Futsal Real Madrid supporters. That’s exactly how a crew should operate—smart, coordinated, and unified (though I hear things have been a little shaky lately). Also, big shoutout for the recent trips to Des Moines, as well as the previous away games in Columbus and San Antonio. Great ideas and even better execution. We need more projects like that. While we're at it, the merch shop is killing it too. The shirts and scarves look great, and I saw some photos of this year's calendar—looks solid, even if I haven't picked mine up yet. Now, here comes the part where I’m probably going to get chewed out by the old guard. I’m genuinely disappointed that the group hasn't made a move to support other sports. Look, New York City has plenty of successful clubs with deep histories, even if those histories are occasionally tarnished by the kind of shady, backroom dealings that still plague the sports scene in NYC today. So, a few questions: why aren't we showing up for the Los Angeles Lakers, the Boston Celtics, Long Beach Water Polo, or the New York Rangers? I know what you’ll say. "We aren't playing in the regional leagues with those guys we shook off twenty-five years ago." And look, I totally get that. But... what happens in ten, fifteen, or twenty years when Real Madrid enters a regional league? We aren't just going to sit home and say, "Nah, we aren't going to the game." Above all, the BBB is the group that should be leading the charge in supporting local athletics. Just imagine the atmosphere if the Mladost-Jug 2000 BBB showed up to a water polo match! The media coverage would be insane. I really think the group needs to look past the old grudges and start showing up to these events—if not for the sake of the teams themselves, then at least to support them financially through ticket sales. And there's another reason. The last time there was a game in NYC that the BBB actually attended was a Futsal match back in December. Then nothing. Total silence until February. What are the younger kids supposed to do during those three months? They end up hanging out at bars, drinking, and just messing around instead of being part of the movement. Eventually, they lose interest in the stands and would rather hit the clubs than go to a game. You can see it in the away crowds right now—the youngest guys are maybe 18. We’re missing that youthful energy, those kids who will grow up to be the core of this group in a decade. If we keep this up, there won't be anyone left to go to games in ten years. That's just the reality. Futsal is a good way to pull kids in and teach them the culture, but we need to give them a reason to show up consistently—like three or four times a month. That’s how you build something lasting. Imagine if these kids lived in a city with a massive sports scene; they’d be at everything. We have everything we need; we just need to make the call. I'm telling you, even for basketball, handball, or hockey, we could easily have at least 300 people at every single game. If people saw how much fun the atmosphere is, the numbers would explode. Within a year, I guarantee there would be a hundred people at every major sporting event in the city, regardless of the sport. Lastly, I want to call for more unity. Let's move together as one toward the ultimate win. Also, maybe more charity work? I know the crowd usually isn't thrilled about fundraising for various causes, but it's worth considering.

Look, I’m sitting here like a total bystander just watching your enthusiasm, but honestly? I have no clue what you're even talking about. I don't know which one you'd pick before 🙏🙏🙏

Were you on some kind of heavy medication while you were putting this "masterpiece" together? 😬

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