Curfew restrictions: Is it legal to leave your house?

Joshua Morales88 said:Sorry buddy, I just finally got around to looking at your comments—why would I even bother arguing with a global expert like you?😵
Seems you know more about life back home than I do. Luckily for me, being an American, I have much better sources than someone watching from Italy...

I'll assume: Daily News and Bujica ☕

So, Božinović just announced at the press conference—6,700 people supposedly "violated" the stay-at-home order. Apparently, they haven't issued fines to anyone except those who broke self-isolation.

Basically, just more proof that they have zero legal basis for this ban. 🙂

What is even the point of these permits if we’re now hearing that the police aren't actually handing out citations, but are instead just giving warnings to those traveling to other cities without them?
Who exactly is being foolish here, and what was the logic behind even implementing such a system in the first place?

Carl Morris34 said:What is even the point of these permits if we’re now hearing that the police aren't actually handing out citations, but are instead just giving warnings to those traveling to other cities without them?
Who exactly is being foolish here, and what was the logic behind even implementing such a system in the first place?

That is exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time!

There’s zero legal basis, so they can't actually do anything to you.

Isn't it basically just flagging yourself so that if you get caught a second time, you're straight to the inspector or something like that?

Henry Evans3 said:Isn't it basically just flagging yourself so that if you get caught a second time, you're straight to the inspector or something like that?

There’s no such thing as "whatever."

No. They can't just write you a ticket because they don't have the authority to stop you from leaving town.

Anthony Jackson2 said:I'll assume: Daily News and Bujica ☕

Look, if you actually believe me—I’ve never even heard of that 😁
I don't give a damn about newspapers or their mindless garbage... since you're so obsessed with asking: where on earth did you get your data on Italy?
Don't even bother answering me... 😁😁

Here’s the link for those digital permits:

From what I can tell, they've only put up the video tutorials so far. The actual system isn't live just yet. 🤷

rustywalker42 said:So, Božinović just announced at the press conference—6,700 people supposedly "violated" the stay-at-home order. Apparently, they haven't issued fines to anyone except those who broke self-isolation.

Basically, just more proof that they have zero legal basis for this ban. 🙂

Heard that. ☕
Maybe tomorrow he’ll claim the whole thing was just an April Fool’s prank...

(And if it wasn't—will they actually penalize whoever spread the misinformation? I highly doubt it...☕)

Even Capak mentioned that we might start thinking about "easing restrictions"—very broadly speaking... provided the infection numbers drop for five consecutive days.

Now, here's the thing.
Either that's also an April Fool's joke—or he already knows those numbers aren't going down anytime soon, especially if they plan on ramping up testing every single day.

More testing inevitably leads to more confirmed cases. It’s as simple as that...
But it serves its purpose—throwing out a little "carrot" to keep the public occupied and distracted from the fact that "maybe around mid-April" is still a pipe dream.

rustywalker42 said:That is exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time!

There’s zero legal basis, so they can't actually do anything to you.

I could try to get you back in. Or rather, they won't let you through.
And then you'll just have to try again later... or maybe in a few days... it's basically like playing the lottery...☕

Joshua Gray75 said:Heard that. ☕
Maybe tomorrow he’ll claim the whole thing was just an April Fool’s prank...

(And if it wasn't—will they actually penalize whoever spread the misinformation? I highly doubt it...☕)

Even Capak mentioned that we might start thinking about "easing restrictions"—very broadly speaking... provided the infection numbers drop for five consecutive days.

Now, here's the thing.
Either that's also an April Fool's joke—or he already knows those numbers aren't going down anytime soon, especially if they plan on ramping up testing every single day.

More testing inevitably leads to more confirmed cases. It’s as simple as that...
But it serves its purpose—throwing out a little "carrot" to keep the public occupied and distracted from the fact that "maybe around mid-April" is still a pipe dream.

The CDC said we have 21,000 people in quarantine. If only every tenth person is sick, that's 2,000 new cases, plus 1,000 old ones. That puts us at 3,000, so there's absolutely no way we're easing up.

So, according to the logic floating around, anyone of us who hasn't seen their partner, kids, or grandparents in weeks is just a complete fool. While some people are apparently allowed to crowd through the aisles at Walmart or Target because there’s a sale on power tools or pajamas, others aren't permitted to see a loved one living just 1.2 miles away in a different county—and before the critics jump down my throat, I truly believe that if someone who only hits the grocery store once every few days drops by to see a person living alone who hasn't left their house in two weeks, they aren't exactly fueling an outbreak.

Essentially, it’s fine—nobody is going to give me a hard time if I swing by a coworker's house to see her three kids—but if I visit my uncle who lives by himself, or my boyfriend in the next county over? No, no, absolutely not. That's strictly forbidden.

Joshua Gray75 said:I could try to get you back in. Or rather, they won't let you through.
And then you'll just have to try again later... or maybe in a few days... it's basically like playing the lottery...☕

Joshua Gray75 said:Heard that. ☕
Maybe tomorrow he’ll claim the whole thing was just an April Fool’s prank...

(And if it wasn't—will they actually penalize whoever spread the misinformation? I highly doubt it...☕)

Even Capak mentioned that we might start thinking about "easing restrictions"—very broadly speaking... provided the infection numbers drop for five consecutive days.

Now, here's the thing.
Either that's also an April Fool's joke—or he already knows those numbers aren't going down anytime soon, especially if they plan on ramping up testing every single day.

More testing inevitably leads to more confirmed cases. It’s as simple as that...
But it serves its purpose—throwing out a little "carrot" to keep the public occupied and distracted from the fact that "maybe around mid-April" is still a pipe dream.

So they don't have to let them go? Fine. Then this happens:

So, I was just looking through the legal fine print on how they handle pretrial detention and freedom of movement here in the States. It’s a mess. Seriously. Ever wonder why some people get to walk free while others sit in a cell before they've even had their day in court? It feels like a total coin toss sometimes. Does anyone actually understand the criteria they use to decide if someone is a "flight risk" versus just being someone who can't afford bail? It’s wild. The whole system seems designed to keep you guessing. One minute you're arguing your case, the next you're staring at a jail cell because some judge decided you might be too much trouble. Makes you think, doesn't it? Is there any actual consistency, or is it all just based on how much influence you have? Just my two cents.

To all of you stuck with these ridiculous local travel restrictions—I’ve already pointed out we have over 400 municipalities to deal with, so come on now...—have any of you actually tried filing a formal complaint somewhere else, or are you just here to vent on a message board?
For instance—maybe reach out to the press?
Or perhaps contact an opposition party?
A single person complaining won't change a thing... what we really need is some kind of "critical mass" to make an impact...

(And please, don't tell me there's no point—it's only been eight days since these measures were implemented... it's far too early to claim "nothing can be done"... if that's truly your outlook, then honestly, stop complaining here altogether...)

Look, I'm not against the measures themselves. I'm not inherently opposed to movement restrictions.
It's just that I am strictly against the sheer stupidity they've devolved into!!
You aren't allowed to drive from one tiny suburb into the next town over—even though that suburb might only be a couple of square miles—yet you're perfectly fine traveling from one end of Washington, D.C. to the other... hmm...

Sean Stewart said:So, according to the logic floating around, anyone of us who hasn't seen their partner, kids, or grandparents in weeks is just a complete fool. While some people are apparently allowed to crowd through the aisles at Walmart or Target because there’s a sale on power tools or pajamas, others aren't permitted to see a loved one living just 1.2 miles away in a different county—and before the critics jump down my throat, I truly believe that if someone who only hits the grocery store once every few days drops by to see a person living alone who hasn't left their house in two weeks, they aren't exactly fueling an outbreak.

Essentially, it’s fine—nobody is going to give me a hard time if I swing by a coworker's house to see her three kids—but if I visit my uncle who lives by himself, or my boyfriend in the next county over? No, no, absolutely not. That's strictly forbidden.

I'm with you.

They restricted everything to your home zip code—it's clear the folks in charge don't give a damn about the fact that a tiny rural town might only have one little corner store that doesn't carry everything you need.
It really shows how much these local jurisdictions mess things up. 19 miles is my closest major city. Chicago has nearly 3 million people and everything you could ever want right there, yet a town of a thousand people is stuck completely paralyzed. It makes zero sense.

Just scrap the small towns and stick to the counties.

Joshua Gray75 said:To all of you stuck with these ridiculous local travel restrictions—I’ve already pointed out we have over 400 municipalities to deal with, so come on now...—have any of you actually tried filing a formal complaint somewhere else, or are you just here to vent on a message board?
For instance—maybe reach out to the press?
Or perhaps contact an opposition party?
A single person complaining won't change a thing... what we really need is some kind of "critical mass" to make an impact...

(And please, don't tell me there's no point—it's only been eight days since these measures were implemented... it's far too early to claim "nothing can be done"... if that's truly your outlook, then honestly, stop complaining here altogether...)

Look, I'm not against the measures themselves. I'm not inherently opposed to movement restrictions.
It's just that I am strictly against the sheer stupidity they've devolved into!!
You aren't allowed to drive from one tiny suburb into the next town over—even though that suburb might only be a couple of square miles—yet you're perfectly fine traveling from one end of Washington, D.C. to the other... hmm...

Wait, you seriously think the opposition doesn't realize what a total mess this is?

If I actually have to go running to the news or the opposition because they aren't aware of the situation, then I have nothing left to talk to them about.

It's pretty simple.

Adam Collins4 said:No, you're a real genius—especially if he already has a vineyard somewhere else, he'll probably have a couple of vines at home too...

You aren't going to make much ethanol out of wine; there's just not enough alcohol in it... it wouldn't be any good quality...

To make ethanol, you need something else that's grape-related...

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Reddit Off-topic.

Given the whole state of emergency situation we're dealing with, I've been indulging in some pretty extraordinary spirits myself.

I've got this one guy who makes both a traditional brandy and something he calls "grape brandy."

The first one is a bit of a sharper, more acidic spirit (proper brandy, really), while the second one has a much heavier grape profile and is definitely sweeter.

They both sit right around the 36-38% range.

Next time I catch up with him, I'll have to ask how he manages to pull off that second one.

Back On-Topic.

I honestly think the government is going to have to loosen the reins on all these movement restrictions for Americans pretty soon.

rustywalker42 said:Wait, you seriously think the opposition doesn't realize what a total mess this is?

If I actually have to go running to the news or the opposition because they aren't aware of the situation, then I have nothing left to talk to them about.

It's pretty simple.

Oh, they know... to an extent.
But if only a handful of people reach out to them—then it's just "fine"...

However, once a massive crowd starts "bothering" them—that's when those same opposition parties might start looking for ways to score points for future elections... and then the administration will start thinking they need to rack up some points too... which is when you can actually expect something to happen.

That said, nobody should actually be giving in. Movement restrictions should stay—it's just a matter of defining the boundaries "spatially"—rather than by "municipality."
For instance, movement—within a certain radius 6.2 miles from one's home address. You could travel to the nearest major shopping center—once a week.
(... and so on... )

On the other hand—personally, I would restrict movement within Washington, D.C. It has the highest population—which means the most infections... what does someone like Stephanie need to do to get from Central Park to Times Square? Or vice versa.

But if something like that were implemented—then perhaps (and I say perhaps) New Yorkers would finally understand what it means when you can't go a few miles away just because it's a different municipality. Right now, it's easy for them to say "stay home"—when they live within spitting distance of a Walmart/Sprouts/Lidl/Target...

(though then they'll likely start making excuses: "but our elderly parents live over there..." right... as if nobody living outside of NYC doesn't have elderly parents in some other town whom they can't visit without a permit...)

So... just outside of Annapolis... right where the Pacific Coast Highway meets the junction... there are three (3) police cruisers sitting at the roundabout, one blocking every single entrance and exit. Yikes.

electricbadger89 said:Good luck with that.
Two different local emergency offices told me "only childcare or elderly care counts as a valid reason." I pretty much tore one of them a new one.

Please let me know if you pull it off; I'm genuinely curious.

Got mine. 🎉

I listed stuff like apartment inspections, checking utility lines, notifying the landlord, bringing my own tools, and all that good stuff. It's all legit, obviously.

Small town, just outside Washington, D.C. The permit works for the whole D.C. area. Got it approved within 48 hours.