Freudian Disappointment

witch said:It's all about controlling the man.

Once they've pulled the strings and won, they lose interest and move on to the next target...

Are you speaking from personal experience here?

......Look, I honestly think the exact same thing applies to men.

Were you some kind of Freudian reincarnation in a past life?

😁

Simone:
What wouldn't he have asked Jung?
Jung didn't have any issues with women at all—not even with his own wife.

👍 😁 Or to be more precise, the women in his life...

I think I have a handle on what women actually want.
There seems to be this inherent drive in women toward a kind of divinity. In their rather skewed perception of reality, they possess a capacity to see a much wider spectrum of nuance than men do. Where a man simply sees red, a woman perceives a decaying cherry hue. Where a man experiences the raw emotion of love or physical desire, she sees a complex tug-of-war between the spiritual and the carnal. And while a man is busy trying to build something from nothing, a woman is focused on acquiring what has already been constructed.
Ultimately, one could argue that women are quite selfish creatures, perpetually chasing a perfection they intend to seize without any regard for those around them.
Men, by contrast, are the ones actually attempting to create that perfection.
It explains why powerful men are so drawn to them; they can bask in the proximity of perfection without having to exert any effort to achieve it themselves...
It’s essentially a purely parasitic species...

This dynamic is only reinforced by the fact that when modern women do manage to amass their own power, they rarely seek out a partner. Most formidable women tend to be solitary, especially if they secured their status before ever meeting a man...
selfish, stingy, and parasitic...

Michael Moore3 said:It actually works out in their favor when women decide to build their own empires from the ground up—and actually pull it off! In those cases, they aren't looking for a man to save them. Most powerhouse women tend to be solo acts if they already secured their status before even meeting a partner...
self-centered, stingy little parasites...

I just can't get behind that "parasites" label, though... definitely doesn't sit right with me.👎

wearyowl29 said:I’ve just always found that "parasite" label feels a little off to me...........👎

But you know... there is some truth to that perspective, the idea of an opportunist taking advantage...
I suppose it all boils down to your own lens on whether being a parasite is inherently negative or not; to one person, such a creature might be a master of effortless survival worthy of admiration, while to another, they are simply a common nuisance...

Michael Moore3, man, why are you even getting worked up about this? Honestly, people are probably running away from you just to avoid the drama. 😁😛
I guess I shouldn't be surprised anymore...

Am I agitated? Honestly, I'm not quite sure how you managed to arrive at that conclusion. 😕
Based on your reaction, one might assume that this particular observation about women struck a nerve and perhaps left you feeling a bit unsettled...

A little truth about women? 🙂
Michael Moore3, if a man ever tries to tell me something about women that I don't already know—and I mean better or more accurately than he could possibly manage—I might just end it all right then and there. 😁
But honestly, watching how your mind works... it’s actually kind of entertaining...

I really can't wrap my head around why those women aren't interested in you, but whatever the reason may be, the issue lies with you, not them. Though, hey, if it makes things easier to point the finger at everyone else... go right ahead. You certainly won't be the first, nor the last. 😉

Jack Harris3 said:A fundamental truth about women? 🙂
Michael Moore3, the day a man actually tells me something about women that I don't already know—something better or more accurate than my own insight—is the day I decide to end it all. 😁
Still, there is a certain amusement in watching how you process things...

I honestly haven't the slightest clue why they aren't interested in you, but whatever the reason may be, it lies within yourself rather than with them. Though, if it provides you some small comfort to point the finger elsewhere... by all means, proceed. You certainly won't be the first, nor the last. 😉

Well, at least I made an attempt to offer a perspective on what women want, and from where I sit, my take is quite truthful. I have spent a significant amount of time studying the female way of thinking, and I feel I’ve begun to understand you all. However, it seems futile because men and women simply don't operate on the same "frequency," which makes it feel like an American trying to learn a language with a completely different syntax—utterly disorienting. To put it plainly, men think very logically; for instance, if you hit a dead end in a maze, you simply turn toward the opening and continue on your way.
Women, on the other hand, tend to wander aimlessly, relying heavily on intuition rather than pausing to truly analyze the situation. It seems to me that regarding the female thought process, you would much rather run around in circles until you stumble upon the exit, even if it takes three days of sprinting. A man will instead look for the most efficient path to find the easiest way out with the least amount of wasted effort...
This leads to the observation that women often just "run" through life, flailing about like headless chickens. That is why we men find it so baffling when you suddenly walk away from a perfectly good man without offering any explanation. To you, it feels perfectly natural. But our version of "normal" isn't yours. Since this is a man's world, male "logic" tends to prevail; if the female way of thinking were dominant, the world would look like pure chaos to us.

As for my personal issues with women, this isn't the topic for that discussion, and I would appreciate it if we didn't stray into it.
And yes, the issue is with me, though I wouldn't call it a "problem" so much as a simple lack of alignment with "your female world."

Michael Moore3 said:I’ve spent quite a bit of time trying to wrap my head around how women think, and I have to say, it’s finally starting to click... I feel like I actually get you guys now. But honestly? It feels like a losing battle. Men and women just don't operate on the same frequency. It’s like an American trying to master a language that doesn't even follow the same sentence structure... it's just fundamentally confusing...

🙂
You might have tried to wrap your head around it, but sometimes things just don't click... and if they don't, they just don't... 😁 If you actually understood what was going on, that whole frequency wouldn't even bother you...
Honestly, once you actually wrap your head around a foreign language... once you've truly internalized it and can just *talk* to people without overthinking it... the grammar rules and sentence structures don't even matter anymore. They stop being obstacles. It’s like... it just becomes second nature...

It’s like this... men just think so logically. It's almost too simple, really. Take a maze, for example. If you’re walking through one and you hit a dead end, you don't panic or overthink it. You just turn around, find the opening, and keep moving... that's just how it works.
Women, on the other hand, just sort of swirl around with this intense intuition, never bothering to actually stop and sit down with their thoughts. It’s like... when it comes to how women process things, you'd think they'd just keep running and sprinting until they finally hit an exit, even if that means running for three days straight... whereas men? Men will always be looking for that shortcut, trying to find the path of least resistance to get out as effortlessly as possible...

Men and women really do think on completely different wavelengths... it’s just a fact.
That’s exactly why I don't get it... this endless, totally pointless habit of constantly comparing one thing to another. What’s even the point? You wouldn't compare apples to oranges, right? And yet, there's probably less difference between an apple and an orange than there is between a man and a woman... 😁
Jack Harris3 said:

I guess that’s where it all comes from... that sense that women just kind of "run" through life, constantly chasing after every little thing like flies buzzing around without a single thought in their heads. It makes it so hard for us guys to wrap our brains around why you'll just suddenly drop a great guy—someone who actually treats you right—and then offer absolutely zero explanation for it. To you, I suppose, it feels perfectly normal...

No woman is ever going to truly appreciate a top-tier man... Not really. A guy who’s actually got it all together... It just doesn't happen... her... It’s all about the metrics... how we actually measure things... 😁
It’s all about perspective, isn't it? I mean, what one woman thinks is the ultimate, ruggedly handsome man... to someone else, he might just look like some total pig. It really is all in the eye of the beholder... 😉
Don't even sweat it... women always have an explanation for everything, but it might not exactly be "logical," so why bother trying to find any logic in it anyway... 😁
Jack Harris3 said:

Our version of "normal" isn't exactly the same as yours. It’s just that we live in a man's world, so this masculine way of thinking tends to dominate everything... If women's perspectives actually took the lead, I think us men would look at the whole thing and see nothing but pure chaos...

Man, it’s like we even have to point it out... as if the world isn't already a total mess... bloody and chaotic enough just as it is... 😛
So, I’ve been thinking... can someone actually explain to me what women have to do with this whole idea of a "man's world" or some specific "male way of thinking" when we're talking about them and their own private lives? Like, when it comes down to the actual choices they make... deciding which man they want to walk through life with, or who they want to live with, and all that stuff... what does that have to do with any of that? 🤔

As for my issues with women... look, this isn't really the topic at hand, so I’d appreciate it if we didn't steer it that way.
And yeah, maybe there is an issue on my end, but I wouldn't call it a "problem"... it's more just a fundamental disconnect from how "your female world" operates.

Well, that little issue is exactly why you feel the way you do and why you wrote what you wrote... so yeah, there's definitely a connection there.

Jack Harris3 said:You might have tried to wrap your head around it, but some things just don't click, and that's that... If you truly understood the essence, that frequency wouldn't even register on your radar.
The syntax of a foreign language doesn't bother you either, provided you've internalized it and can actually function within it.

Haha, well, if you understand how electricity works, you aren't going to let your dog stick its nose in an outlet.

Men and women really do think differently; there's no denying that.
Which is precisely why I find this endless, utterly pointless comparison between the two so exhausting. What's the utility in it? You don't compare apples to oranges, yet people insist on comparing the sexes, even though there’s arguably less fundamental difference between an apple and an orange than there is between a man and a woman.

I agree with that. There is no point in comparing. Women simply need to realize they are the subordinate sex and learn to be quiet, listen, and just play nice... then maybe the world would actually stand a chance.

No woman is ever going to reject a truly top-tier man. One who is elite by her standards.
What looks like a "top-tier man" to you might look like a complete pig to some other woman.
And don't worry, women always have an explanation for everything, but since it's rarely "logical," why bother trying to argue it?

Sure, according to her CURRENT standards. Which could last for ten years or just for ten minutes. It all depends on how their 🙄
Women don't actually have concrete criteria for men because they don't truly comprehend them. They fall for behavior and attitude rather than actual personality. The worst player in our society can pick up almost any girl. He simply has access, an attitude, a system, and 90% of them fold. And even the remaining 10% will give in if he puts in the effort (which is the real challenge). Female psyches are so similar that once you crack the code, you can win over anyone. Of course, dealing with men is even easier—you just have to show 🙂 😁
In reality, when it comes to the "hunt," only one thing matters: the objective, the vision, and the mission. A man has a specific goal (getting a woman into bed) and a vision of how to achieve it. He treats the execution as a vital life mission. He moves strategically through conversations and behavior to guide her toward that state where his goal is realized. The difference between him and your "top-tier pig" is that the pig says whatever he thinks, whereas this guy doesn't care about truth, opinions, or dialogue... everything is subservient to the goal. He speaks and acts in a way he knows will trigger her—giving her that sense of security, relaxation, understanding, being on the "same wavelength," and so on.
In my experience, it has never happened that a man failed to charm a woman, regardless of all this conscious, intelligent, spiritual, and other feminine posturing.
So please, spare me the lecture on "criteria." You lot are about as capable of evaluating men as I am at calculating orbital mechanics for a SpaceX launch. 🙄

God, as if the world isn't already chaotic and bloody enough as it is...😛
And maybe you could explain to me why women should care about this supposed "male world and male way of thinking" when we are talking about them and their own private lives? When it comes to deciding which man they’re going to walk beside or live with, for instance? 🤔

A chaotic mess like that shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions at all. Honestly, they should just let old men arrange their marriages. That way, they'll listen to the elders, and then eventually to their husbands. What kind of "personal choice" is that anyway?

Oh, please—that exact little issue is the very root of what you wrote and the reason you hold such a specific opinion; so yes, there is absolutely a connection.

It feels like I might have missed a step somewhere here 🤔

P.S. Good grief, I love these kinds of topics 🙂

Alexander Parker69 said:Haha, look, even if you finally wrap your head around how electricity actually works, it’s not like your dog is going to suddenly decide to stick its paws in an outlet...

So, if I’m reading this right, Michael Moore3 would basically be sticking his fingers straight into an electrical outlet... naturally. 😁

Alexander Parker69, seriously... can you please stop whining about how dangerous electricity is and just go learn how to be an electrician instead?... 🙂
Jack Harris3 said:

I’m with you on that one. There’s really no point in even trying to compare... Women just need to realize they aren't on the same level and learn how to sit back, listen, and just be chill... maybe then the world would actually stand a chance...

Let it finally go down in flames... properly this time. 😁
Jack Harris3 said:

Yeah, well... according to her CURRENT standards. And those can shift in ten years... or maybe just ten minutes. I mean, how do they even keep track of it all...

So... have you ever actually changed your mind about anything? I mean, seriously...
Sticking to the same thing over and over... it isn't always about being consistent. Sometimes, it’s just pure stupidity, or maybe just stubbornness... or even fanaticism. It can be hard to tell the difference sometimes... 😁
Jack Harris3 said:

Women just don't have any real criteria when it comes to men. It's because they don't actually get us... They fall for an attitude or how someone carries themselves rather than who the guy actually is. You see these guys in our society who are absolute players, and honestly, they can pull almost any girl. It’s simple—they’ve got the access, the confidence, the whole system down, and 90% of women just fold. And even that last 10%? If he decides to put in the work... which, let's be honest, is a much bigger challenge... he gets them too. It's like their psyches are all wired similarly; once you crack the code for one, you've basically cracked it for all of them...

You’ve basically proven that women actually have standards, while men are just a bunch of pigs who know exactly how to exploit them. They put on this whole act, playing the part perfectly until they finally get what they want, and then...👋

Honestly, dealing with men is just way easier... you really only have to show up and be yourself... 🙂

And what else? I mean, there's no way we’re actually going to start selling them junk just like they try to sell us... we know exactly how those people think...
Nature just has this way of organizing everything... it all seems so perfectly balanced, based on what each thing is actually capable of doing...
Jack Harris3 said:

Honestly, when it comes to the whole "hunt," there’s really only one thing that actually matters: having a target, a vision, and a mission. If a man has a specific goal in mind—say, getting a woman into bed—and he has a clear vision of how to make that happen, he treats the entire pursuit like it's his most important life mission... He works it out systematically, using conversation and his own behavior to guide her toward that moment. The difference between him and your idea of some "alpha brute" is that the brute just blabs whatever is on his mind without a second thought. But this guy? He doesn't care about being "honest" or just talking for the sake of talking. Everything is calculated toward the end goal. He speaks and acts in exactly the right way to build that tension... making sure she feels secure, relaxed, understood, and totally in sync with him. It's all part of the plan...

See? You’re basically admitting it right there... men are just focused on getting a woman into bed, while women are looking for that "forever" kind of thing. And let's be honest, women can be pretty messy too. You guys definitely deserve three times the trouble you give us. 🙂

Look, please don't start lecturing me about standards. You wouldn't know how to judge a man any better than I'd know how to perform an implantation on a SpaceX shuttle...

Nah, it's not that. It's just that we refuse to believe that they really are like that, so we end up giving in every single time. 😁

Someone that chaotic shouldn't be allowed to make any decisions at all. Honestly, they should just let old men marry them off. That way they have to listen to the elders, and then to their husbands. Who needs personal choice anyway?

Feeling better now?
And if you actually managed to find someone like that, where would you even end up... 😁

Jack Harris3 said:See? You just admitted it yourself—that men are primarily driven by the urge to get a woman into bed, whereas women are looking for that "forever" kind of stability. And let’s not forget the nonsense women pull. Honestly, you all deserve three times the trouble you give. 🙂

But honestly, no, it isn't quite like that; we simply refuse to believe that they are actually that bad, which is why we always end up giving in. 😁

It isn't all men, though; it's specifically *that* kind of man.

People just constantly fall for those types. Or maybe it’s just those specific guys who put on an act, playing the fool just to charm some girl because, frankly, that's the only way to land them. It’s a performance. Contrast that with this guy I know—one of the most decent, genuine people I've ever met—and he can never seem to catch a break with women. Why? Because he isn't toxic enough to play the game. And without the act, there's no business. All this talk from women about wanting "honesty" is nothing but empty rhetoric; they just want to hear whatever sounds good in the moment, regardless of the reality behind it.

Alright, let's drop the generalizations and the nonsense for a second.

Is the most decent guy you know having trouble? It’s definitely not because of his integrity. He must have some other "flaw" that women just won't overlook—something that you either don't notice or simply don't care about. Which makes sense, since you aren't a woman, even if you act like one sometimes... 😁

Besides, do you really think those women who fall for some smooth-talking jerk feel great when they realize he's a total wash? That maybe they just got played? They pay for their own stupidity, so don't sweat it.
And who knows, maybe they'll just go out and make the exact same mistake again... Or as a dear friend of mine would put it, they'll just end up back in the same old cycle... 😁

It's pointless to generalize and paint all women with one brush, or all men with another.

At the end of the day, everyone is looking for the same thing: to find their "other half" and live happily until the very end. 😁

Laziness. Honestly, what even is that? Is it just a lack of drive, or is it some deep-seated psychological defense mechanism we all use to avoid facing the reality of our own mediocrity? I find myself sitting here, staring at the wall, wondering if the constant push for productivity in this country is actually making us more efficient or if it's just driving everyone straight into a mental breakdown. Why do we act like being busy is a personality trait? It’s exhausting just thinking about it. Are we actually incapable of doing things, or have we just become so conditioned by this relentless American grind that the moment we stop moving, we feel this crushing sense of guilt? It makes you wonder if "laziness" isn't a character flaw at all, but rather a silent protest against a system that demands every single ounce of our energy until there's nothing left. I guess I’ll just throw this in here as a keyword to get things moving.😁😉
If you actually want to get somewhere in this life, if you truly want to achieve anything worth mentioning, you have to be willing to sweat for it and put in the grueling hours. It’s just common sense, isn't it? But looking at some of you, I can't help but wonder—is everyone just looking for a free ride here? Does everyone honestly believe they can just stroll up and claim something valuable just because they think their intentions are pure or because they possess some imaginary moral superiority? You can't just sit around polishing your soul and expecting the world to hand you a prize for being "good." Nothing of actual value comes for free.

Who exactly are you planning on unloading all that righteous indignation on, once you’ve finished playing the saint, if you intend to just rot away inside your own tiny little bubble?
So many people walk around under this massive delusion that they’re actually open, approachable, and easy to talk to, don't you think? They carry themselves with this unearned confidence, even going so far as to convince themselves that they are inherently fascinating just by existing. It’s honestly exhausting to watch.😁
It’s honestly enough just for them to walk into a room; the second they show up, the entire atmosphere shifts, and suddenly every girl in the place is falling head over heels like they've been hit by a lightning bolt.🙂Since they’ve been blessed with such... inspired... little bursts of insight, what exactly are they planning to do with them?

Oh yeah, one more thing...
Anyone who actually believes they’re doing everything right, yet constantly finds themselves tripping over their own feet and failing to get anything done, really needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror and ask themselves if there's something fundamentally broken in their head. Is it just bad luck, or is there a deeper issue at play here?
Laziness isn't just some minor inconvenience; it’s a full-blown epidemic that’s out here running circles around everyone's heads like a lunatic on a rampage!
Is it just me, or is laziness really the root cause of most of our problems? I mean, honestly, when you step back and actually look at why things fall apart, isn't it almost always just pure, unadulterated sloth driving the bus? Why do we insist on overcomplicating everything with these elaborate psychological excuses when the truth is usually much simpler and far more frustrating? We love to dress up our lack of discipline as "burnout" or "mental fatigue," but let’s be real—how often is it just a fundamental refusal to get off the couch and actually do the work? It feels like we're living in an era where avoiding effort has become a lifestyle choice rather than a temporary lapse in judgment, and doesn't that just make you wonder how much more we could actually achieve if we stopped making excuses for our own stagnation?
And honestly, isn't it just plain terrifying?
Look, we really have to just come out and admit it...

Both of these guys are putting in the work, really. It’s just that one is a total smooth talker who knows exactly which buttons to press to manipulate a woman's emotions, while the other is still naive enough to think being honest actually matters. 😁 Women don't crave raw honesty; they want a beautiful story. At the end of the day, it’s all about how you package the product rather than what’s actually inside the box.

John Walker74 said:Hallelujah!😁

And she’s a woman!

But honestly, if we didn't spare the male brain the effort, do you really think it would be wise or even humane for us women to tell them exactly what we want?
Maybe life wouldn't feel quite so heavy for them then.

The painful truth is this: you women don't even know what you want yourselves. Instead, you expect your men to spiritually DICTATE your desires to you!

Weininger described it perfectly.

A woman expects a man to provide SHAPING... not just physically, but... spiritually too! That's just how the programming works.

And so many male idiots go around imagining there's some great "mystery" to women. What a joke!👎

Lower your price tag... otherwise, the men won't buy.😛 🙂

Barbies...🎉 🙂

Well, at least your buddy is certain about what he wants from a woman, so I don't really see what you're complaining about... 😁
And why on earth do you think being honest is some kind of stupidity? 😉
Does that mean playing games is actually encouraged? Or is it only okay when it's a man doing the manipulating? 😁

Rebecca Miller2 said:The painful truth is this: you women don't even know what you want yourselves. Instead, you just expect your man to spiritually DICTATE what your desires should be!

A woman expects to be shaped... not just physically, but... spiritually too! That’s just how the script is written.

Rebecca Miller2, would you ever marry me? Look, I can guarantee you right now, publicly, that you wouldn't shape my spirit, nor would you try to tell me what I should want. 🙂
And it isn't because I'm being stubborn... it's because I don't need you—or any man, really—to do either of those things. 😁

Even if I were actually considering marriage, which, let's be clear, I'm not 😁, you'd probably run for the hills because you wouldn't be able to take control.
So, it's not necessarily that women crave being ruled... it's more that men who have a desperate need to rule just project those "desires" onto them. 😉

In any truly happy relationship or marriage, nobody is ruling anyone... they just walk through life together, side by side. 😉
But how do you explain that to some people...

Love, respect, passion, loyalty, the flow of living together, shared goals, attention, those little gestures, tenderness, and so on...
Basically, just the simple stuff.
At its core, it's everything men want too.

The only real difference is honesty.

We’re upfront about wanting it all.

You women just don't have the guts to admit that, on top of all that, you also crave the thrill of the chase.

To put it bluntly—you just want to be satisfied and kept honest.

But let's face it, nobody can live five different lives at once.

Women just want to feel human—to love without walls and to give themselves completely without building up defenses.

You really should have asked old Freud who was actually responsible for this supposed emotional chaos and the tendency for women to build up those fences.

Old man Freud would probably just scratch himself and hang his head in shame.
He'd likely just blush and look away.

Exactly, tell 'em! 👍😁
They don't have a clue when it comes to a meeting with Freud. 😁