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Gold: Past, Present, and Future

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Participants Melissa Sanchez17dustyheron5quiettrucker12Anthony Evans78Sean Carteranalogharbor44feralpuma12ironstag8Amanda Carter7lonehawk5briskjackal5Andrew Barrett4Dennis Fisher5granitegull51Zachary Mendoza2Christian Miller14neondriver5George Sullivan902nimblepanther18Jerry Wright6Patrick Moore3wearygull4Taylor Robinson51wearyotter36 …
boldsailor7 boldsailor7 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2014
#1261 ·
"The Canadian dollar—which is basically an insult to those Euro elitists—along with the Swiss Franc, are still my top picks for holding cash. And I mean actual cash, because you don't get hit with fees just for holding them like you do when you're stuck with sovereign bonds sitting at negative interest rates." JS

Could someone break this down for me? I’m completely lost on what Gerald Chavez7 is trying to get at here.
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
353 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1262 ·
boldsailor7 said:"The Canadian dollar—which is basically an insult to those Euro elitists—along with the Swiss Franc, are still my top picks for holding cash. And I mean actual cash, because you don't get hit with fees just for holding them like you do when you're stuck with sovereign bonds sitting at negative interest rates." JS

Could someone break this down for me? I’m completely lost on what Gerald Chavez7 is trying to get at here.

Essentially, the Canadian dollar and the Swiss Franc (which the Euro snobs tend to dislike) are the primary tools for anyone looking to sit in cash. Holding these currencies is a much better position than sitting in government bonds when you're facing real negative interest rates—meaning you're effectively paying a premium just to hold the asset itself.😍
boldsailor7 boldsailor7 Newcomer
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joined Jul 2014
#1263 ·
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too, thanks...🙂
I actually headed out to the exchange yesterday because I needed some cash on hand, so I went in with my Swiss Franc, but I ended up walking back out empty-handed. The exchange rate was just brutal, so I'm putting off any currency swaps until things settle down...
I really feel for everyone stuck with those CHF loans, but honestly, it's hard to believe our precious Dollar is holding this much value right now🙂)
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
353 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1264 ·
boldsailor7 said:Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too, thanks...🙂
I actually headed out to the exchange yesterday because I needed some cash on hand, so I went in with my Swiss Franc, but I ended up walking back out empty-handed. The exchange rate was just brutal, so I'm putting off any currency swaps until things settle down...
I really feel for everyone stuck with those CHF loans, but honestly, it's hard to believe our precious Dollar is holding this much value right now🙂)


The Dollar will remain the world's strongest currency:
1) Until the very last economic entity in America collapses...
2) As long as politicians can keep borrowing money in our name...
3) Until federal tax revenues finally dry up...
Whichever one hits first...🙂
coastalviper8 coastalviper8 Member
14 messages
joined Dec 2012
#1265 ·
dustyheron5 said:The Dollar will remain the world's strongest currency:
1) Until the very last economic entity in America collapses...
2) As long as politicians can keep borrowing money in our name...
3) Until federal tax revenues finally dry up...
Whichever one hits first...🙂

Pure genius. 🤣 👍
Gerald Chavez7 Gerald Chavez7 Active Member
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joined Apr 2021
#1266 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:Go ahead, feel free to pitch your favorite brokers... Which ones are you actually using, and how much do you actually like them?

I’m looking at shifting my cash allocation—planning to bump my gold holdings from about 20% up to double that. Right now, I’m holding physical bullion, which I'll probably try to offload right before or after the peak (though we'll see if I can actually time that correctly 😬).

So, I'm thinking it's time to move toward more "paper" assets—you know, the digital stuff 🙂...

I'm still scouting for a broker... if anyone has recommendations, I'm all ears.

I'll likely stick with US-based firms, but I've got questions regarding wire transfers, security, and the whole ordeal...
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#1267 ·
Gerald Chavez7 said:I'm still scouting for a broker... if anyone has recommendations, I'm all ears.

I'll likely stick with US-based firms, but I've got questions regarding wire transfers, security, and the whole ordeal...

You really need to weigh what’s smarter versus what’s safer. The reality of the system here is this: using a domestic bank isn't exactly ideal—it lacks some polish—but it might be more secure than going abroad. If things go sideways with an overseas bank while you have active positions and cash tied up in a brokerage account, you're in trouble.

A friend of mine got locked out of a foreign brokerage and hasn't been able to touch his money for over a year—and he can't even justify selling his position because the proceeds would just get swallowed by the broker.😍...plus, the whole process of re-registering a position could turn into a total nightmare that drags on forever.😉
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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joined Nov 2015
#1268 ·
Two facts worth considering...

http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2012...urce=pulsenews

http://a.yfrog.com/img739/3225/eonhb.png

Over the weekend, JPMorgan Chase released a report urging investors to pick up gold—not just as a hedge, but as a primary asset. They didn't stop at recommending the metal, either; they actually went as far as advocating for a return to the gold standard.
Quite unusual for a major institution like that.
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
359 messages
joined Feb 2019
#1269 ·
dustyheron5 said:Two facts worth considering...

http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2012...urce=pulsenews

http://a.yfrog.com/img739/3225/eonhb.png

Over the weekend, JPMorgan Chase released a report urging investors to pick up gold—not just as a hedge, but as a primary asset. They didn't stop at recommending the metal, either; they actually went as far as advocating for a return to the gold standard.
Quite unusual for a major institution like that.

I bet they even gave them a tip on where to pick it up. Like right here

http://tungsten-alloy.com/

Sounds like they're trying to offload their junk on everyone in China and the US like total amateurs 😍
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
359 messages
joined Feb 2019
#1270 ·
A return to the gold standard? I mean, sure, it could technically function, but I’m pretty cynical
about anyone actually taking it seriously.

http://www.gata.org/files/JPMorganChase...09-18-2012.pdf

I honestly don't even know what to make of it. Everyone loves to debate the "pros" and "cons" of a gold standard—as if it's some simple math problem. Maybe we'll end up with some weird hybrid middle ground where maybe 20% of the value is backed by gold and the rest just keeps riding the current rollercoaster. 🤷>
Dennis Fisher5 Dennis Fisher5 Member
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joined Jan 2018
#1271 ·
If you want to strike gold, you’ve got to be willing to put in the heavy lifting!

http://creditwritedowns.wpengine.net...hours-gold.jpg
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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joined Feb 2019
#1272 ·
Or, back when we were still clinging to the quasi-gold standard before 1971, there wasn't nearly as much.
nimblepanther18 nimblepanther18 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#1273 ·
I’ve been reading several articles suggesting that Germany is headed straight for a recession. If stocks take a dive, what does that mean for metals? dustyheron5 shared an article claiming that JPMorgan Chase is recommending gold purchases right now, but I personally struggle to see how that makes sense if we are actually entering a recession. Furthermore, when looking at silver—which is essentially an industrial metal that tends to peak when industrial demand is high—I would actually expect silver to see an even steeper decline than gold. Because of this, I intend to hold off on buying until a correction occurs. Am I miscalculating here? What are your thoughts, or are there other factors at play that might prevent such extreme volatility in metal prices?

PS. Personally, I found the market's reaction to the announcement of QE 3 quite disappointing.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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joined Feb 2019
#1274 ·
nimblepanther18 said:I’ve been reading several articles suggesting that Germany is headed straight for a recession. If stocks take a dive, what does that mean for metals? dustyheron5 shared an article claiming that JPMorgan Chase is recommending gold purchases right now, but I personally struggle to see how that makes sense if we are actually entering a recession. Furthermore, when looking at silver—which is essentially an industrial metal that tends to peak when industrial demand is high—I would actually expect silver to see an even steeper decline than gold. Because of this, I intend to hold off on buying until a correction occurs. Am I miscalculating here? What are your thoughts, or are there other factors at play that might prevent such extreme volatility in metal prices?

PS. Personally, I found the market's reaction to the announcement of QE 3 quite disappointing.

Wrong. It’s always a smart move to hold gold when the country is in crisis.
Silver plays both sides as an industrial and monetary metal, making it a win-win.
First, its price doesn't really swing based on industrial demand because it's price-elastic (it accounts for such a tiny fraction of the final product cost that whether it's $30 or $150 doesn't matter).
Second, most silver is just pulled out as a byproduct of copper, lead, and zinc mining. That means if industrial activity drops, supply will naturally tighten.
Third, just like gold, people try to protect whatever little they have left during a crisis. Buy gold at $1,400? Not many people can afford that. Buy real estate or farmland? Sure, if you're one of those vultures in the finance industry... In reality, silver is what's left for everyone else.
Of course, if you're just looking to gamble, I can't help you. 😁
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
126 messages
joined Jan 2012
#1275 ·
If you want to know where gold is headed, just look at what the top analysts are calling. They’re throwing out ranges from $2,000 up to $31,000, with peaks anywhere from 2012 to 2020😂🤣
Bottom line? Nobody actually knows what's coming next!

http://www.munknee.com/2012/09/50-an...or-early-2015/
Amy Sanchez2 Amy Sanchez2 Member
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joined Jun 2012
#1276 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Or, back when we were still clinging to the quasi-gold standard before 1971, there wasn't nearly as much.

Honestly, all those charts showing gold prices versus everything else? They’re basically useless after 1971. You’re better off ignoring them because they just end up misleading everyone. The whole thing changed when gold was demonetized in 1971—once that happened, the actual amount of gold held by a country or its specific price stopped being the engine driving the economy.

Since people (and governments) aren't actually using gold to trade goods and services anymore like they did under the classic gold standard, trying to compare today's gold prices to anything else is just... I don't even know, it's pointless. The fundamental pricing mechanism that makes a market actually function has been totally lost to us.
If you look at a graph comparing the last ten years of gold against the Swiss Franc—which is probably one of the most stable fiat currencies out there—you might walk away thinking the standard has tanked or that prices have skyrocketed several times over. But honestly, I highly doubt any Swissman would agree with that interpretation.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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joined Feb 2019
#1277 ·
Yeah, they claim everything is rock solid, yet last year they announced they’d peg the franc to the euro at a rate no lower than 1.20. Why bother?
Because they don't have a choice. They're forced to print money in this insane financial landscape where having a cheap currency is somehow seen as a virtue. Right now, they're basically the least attractive option at the beauty pageant.
Besides, they've already bowed down to the Americans—saying goodbye to any semblance of banking secrecy for US citizens—not to mention all those scandals proving Swiss banks aren't nearly as safe as they used to be.
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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joined Nov 2015
#1278 ·
nimblepanther18 said:I’ve been reading several articles suggesting that Germany is headed straight for a recession. If stocks take a dive, what does that mean for metals? dustyheron5 shared an article claiming that JPMorgan Chase is recommending gold purchases right now, but I personally struggle to see how that makes sense if we are actually entering a recession. Furthermore, when looking at silver—which is essentially an industrial metal that tends to peak when industrial demand is high—I would actually expect silver to see an even steeper decline than gold. Because of this, I intend to hold off on buying until a correction occurs. Am I miscalculating here? What are your thoughts, or are there other factors at play that might prevent such extreme volatility in metal prices?

PS. Personally, I found the market's reaction to the announcement of QE 3 quite disappointing.


You're absolutely right—if Germany (and the rest of the world) enters a recession, it’s better to hold onto your ammunition, namely the dollar; though, once again, Benjamin isn't a fan of that🤣 and has been quite vocal about pushing us away from the dollar and toward risk-on assets...😁

No smart man joins forces with whatever evil power😛 ends up winning.😂

Regarding QE3, this pullback was entirely expected. We'll see where things stand with metals around October 10th. It was similar last time during QE2—metals rallied leading up to the announcement, followed by a minor correction immediately after, before resuming a fierce rally... I see no reason why this time would be any different.😍
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
359 messages
joined Feb 2019
#1279 ·
Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher were seen in New York.

http://www.businessinsider.com/openi...mber-25-2012-9
hollowmoose21 hollowmoose21 Active Member
66 messages
joined Jun 2010
#1280 ·
dustyheron5 said:You're absolutely right—if Germany (and the rest of the world) enters a recession, it’s better to hold onto your ammunition, namely the dollar; though, once again, Benjamin isn't a fan of that🤣 and has been quite vocal about pushing us away from the dollar and toward risk-on assets...😁

No smart man joins forces with whatever evil power😛 ends up winning.😂

Regarding QE3, this pullback was entirely expected. We'll see where things stand with metals around October 10th. It was similar last time during QE2—metals rallied leading up to the announcement, followed by a minor correction immediately after, before resuming a fierce rally... I see no reason why this time would be any different.😍

Got a specific target in mind for this pullback? Looking for an entry point. 😍

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