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Gold: Past, Present, and Future

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Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1641 ·
Not really.
First off, the yen isn't a global reserve currency and it’s not what settles the oil market, so it can't just trigger a collapse of the entire global financial system.
Second, comparing Japan to the USA is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Unlike the USA, Japan is an export-driven economy where they basically hold their own debt—over 90% of it is owned by Japanese citizens.
Between twenty years of zero growth, a shrinking population, dwindling savings to fund that debt, and last year's nuclear disaster... maybe go read up on what Kyle Bass thinks about Japan. 🙂
Sit down, kid. 😁
analogharbor44 analogharbor44 Active Member
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#1642 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Not really.
First off, the yen isn't a global reserve currency and it’s not what settles the oil market, so it can't just trigger a collapse of the entire global financial system.
Second, comparing Japan to the USA is an apples-to-oranges comparison. Unlike the USA, Japan is an export-driven economy where they basically hold their own debt—over 90% of it is owned by Japanese citizens.
Between twenty years of zero growth, a shrinking population, dwindling savings to fund that debt, and last year's nuclear disaster... maybe go read up on what Kyle Bass thinks about Japan. 🙂
Sit down, kid. 😁

And who’s even going to hold all that US debt over the next five years? The Federal Reserve? Just the fact that they aren't a reserve currency and are totally stagnating proves that even if Americans lose that top spot, the dollar won't collapse. No matter how much you guys blow your horns about it. The dollar is staying put!
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#1643 ·
Speaking of reserve currencies—let’s get one thing straight—any currency held in a central bank's coffers counts as a reserve, just like any gold they might have tucked away.
This essentially gives us a clear hierarchy based on global dominance, and at the very top of that list sits the US dollar.
Patrick Moore3 Patrick Moore3 Active Member
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#1644 ·
This "pattern" in gold trading during the 8:30-9:00 AM window in New York... Wall Street lost power because of the hurricane 🍿
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1645 ·
Exactly. The Federal Reserve. The Chinese are already working on phasing it out,
which they've already started doing. The dollar won't collapse right here at home, but its status as the global reserve currency? That's on borrowed time. It’s just a matter of which event finally pulls the trigger.
No, I don't have a specific date. 🙂
Amanda Allen4, we're talking about a global reserve currency here...
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#1646 ·
What do foreign exchange reserves actually signify for a nation that is drowning in debt and lacks its own gold reserves? It could easily just be borrowed capital—which means, in reality, it’s nothing more than external debt.
Robert Vaughn10 Robert Vaughn10 Regular
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#1647 ·
analogharbor44 said:And who’s even going to hold all that US debt over the next five years? The Federal Reserve? Just the fact that they aren't a reserve currency and are totally stagnating proves that even if Americans lose that top spot, the dollar won't collapse. No matter how much you guys blow your horns about it. The dollar is staying put!

Monetary inflation will eventually take its toll. It might take ten years, but the dollar is certainly going to lose a significant chunk of its purchasing power. On the flip side, I don't see any scenario where gold takes a major hit given this level of money printing.
Walter Barrett8 Walter Barrett8 Member
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#1648 ·
Robert Vaughn10 said:Monetary inflation will eventually take its toll. It might take ten years, but the dollar is certainly going to lose a significant chunk of its purchasing power. On the flip side, I don't see any scenario where gold takes a major hit given this level of money printing.

Are we looking at a new tax or outright confiscation?

A lot of those sellouts love to argue that gold is nothing more than dead capital. They claim it’s bad for the economy because you just buy it and tuck it away in a dark corner, whereas that same cash could be "stimulating growth" by being funneled into stocks, bonds, or whatever else. Of course, anyone holding actual power could easily weaponize the arguments of these so-called "experts" to suit their own needs...
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1649 ·
Walter Barrett8 said:Are we looking at a new tax or outright confiscation?

A lot of those sellouts love to argue that gold is nothing more than dead capital. They claim it’s bad for the economy because you just buy it and tuck it away in a dark corner, whereas that same cash could be "stimulating growth" by being funneled into stocks, bonds, or whatever else. Of course, anyone holding actual power could easily weaponize the arguments of these so-called "experts" to suit their own needs...

Good luck to them. They tried this exact same thing back in the Roaring Twenties, and we all know how that story ended.
It’s the same story with opioids or any other illegal substance—prohibition hasn't exactly done much to stop people from using them, has it?
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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#1650 ·
Let’s bring out the silver and tear this article's thesis to shreds 😍

http://hr.seebiz.eu/valute-i-robe/fr...lato/ar-49053/

Anyway, what are you guys thinking regarding today's volume on gold and silver?
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#1651 ·
The headline alone is misleading enough. 😁
It’s not turning water into gold; it’s just extracting gold and other metals from water that, if you think about it, had to get there somehow in the first place. 🙂
Then there’s the real issue: how much energy, time, and money are we actually burning through to make this happen?
We’ve known for decades that there’s about six tons of gold per cubic kilometer of ocean, but we don't exactly go mining the sea, do we? It’s pretty simple—the energy and effort required far outweigh any potential payoff.
Nature already handled the distribution perfectly well. 😉
Amy Sanchez2 Amy Sanchez2 Member
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#1652 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Exactly. The Federal Reserve. The Chinese are already working on phasing it out,
which they've already started doing. The dollar won't collapse right here at home, but its status as the global reserve currency? That's on borrowed time. It’s just a matter of which event finally pulls the trigger.
No, I don't have a specific date. 🙂
Amanda Allen4, we're talking about a global reserve currency here...

Look, people act like the whole dollar reserve issue just popped up overnight, but honestly, this mess has been brewing for nearly fifty years now. It’s not some sudden crisis; it's a long-standing structural headache. If you really want to dig into the roots of this, you have to look back at the 1960s, when central banks everywhere were already sweating bullets over the idea of actually holding dollars as a legitimate asset. It wasn't a new struggle; we've been dancing around this instability for decades. France Germany Back in the early 70s, you had Germany, Japan, and Switzerland all getting pulled into the mix, and before you knew it, Italy and the UK were right there alongside them too.

Back then, the dollar was basically bleeding out because of the Federal Reserve’s obsession with expansionary policies, which meant that any country sitting on a mountain of dollars was essentially watching their wealth evaporate in real-time. It put these nations in this absolutely impossible, high-stakes bind: they could either dump their dollars—and take a massive, immediate hit on their books—or they could let their own domestic currencies appreciate, which, let's be honest, sounded like a total nightmare to most of them. So, naturally, they went with the first option, choosing to offload everything and they ended up forming... The London Gold Pool... honestly, where do we even start with that whole mess? It’s one of those historical rabbit holes that just keeps pulling you down, isn't it? You look back at how they tried to manipulate the price, trying to keep everything pinned down under a certain level, and it just feels like a precursor to so much of the madness we see today. It was this massive, coordinated effort by central banks—big players trying to play God with the markets—and we all know how those little experiments usually end up. They try to hold back the tide, but the tide always comes in eventually, right? It’s just wild to think about the sheer audacity of it all, acting like they could just micromanage global stability through sheer willpower. It makes you wonder what other "stable" systems are actually just house of cards waiting for a breeze.Once the London Gold pool finally went belly up back in '68 and that gold window slammed shut for good in '71, everything shifted, and you saw Germany and Japan basically step up to the plate and agree to let their currencies strengthen.
It’s honestly pretty wild when you look at the parallels between what happened back in Japan and what we’re seeing with China today. You’ve got these two massive export giants, both essentially running on undervalued currencies, which forces them into this endless cycle of hoarding US dollars just to keep the gears turning. It’s like watching history repeat itself in slow motion.
Back in 1973, Japan finally decided they’d had enough of being pegged to the dollar, and honestly, that move kept the yen stuck in a pretty tight corner for years afterward. But if you look at why they did it, they waited until the global economy was absolutely booming in '73 to make their break. Now, looking at the mess we’re dealing with today, it’s night and day—back then, Japan was in a much stronger position to ditch the dollar than China is right now, especially since the global economy feels like it's staring down a massive depression. Because of that, I really don't see China or those other mercantilist Asian exporters walking away from the dollar anytime soon; they just can't afford the risk. It’s the same playbook we saw from Europe and Japan throughout the 60s and 70s—they stayed hitched because, at the time, sticking with the dollar felt like the lesser of two evils.

If you’re looking to wrap your head around the whole mess regarding the history and future of the dollar acting as the world's reserve currency, I honestly can't recommend diving into this enough. Seriously, if you want to understand where we're headed, you really need to check out... Barry Eichengreen: I was just revisiting *Global Imbalances and The Lessons of Bretton Woods* (2006) and *Exorbitant Privilege* (2010), and honestly, it’s refreshing. You know, Barry Eichengreen—he’s actually quite moderate compared to those hardcore gold bugs or that whole "doomsday is coming tomorrow" crowd that seems to populate every corner of the internet lately. He offers this much more nuanced analysis that doesn't just scream about the end of the world every five minutes, which, let's face it, can get exhausting after a while. Jim Sinclair The Countdown to The Implosion of The Dollar I haven't quite figured out what you're getting at here, have I? It’s just a single word floating in the void, like a stray thought lost in a sea of endless economic data and late-night speculation. Are we starting a debate? Are we waiting for a punchline? Honestly, sometimes I feel like I'm staring at a blank ticker tape, just waiting for some actual substance to crawl across the screen so I can finally lose my mind over it. Give me something to work with! James Turk - The Collapse of the Dollar and How to profit fra IT Even she’s basically admitting that the dollar is on its last legs—it's all coming to an end sooner rather than later, if you ask me.
Andrew Barrett4 Andrew Barrett4 Active Member
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#1653 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:Good luck to them. They tried this exact same thing back in the Roaring Twenties, and we all know how that story ended.
It’s the same story with opioids or any other illegal substance—prohibition hasn't exactly done much to stop people from using them, has it?

...and much more than that.

All these gold buyback shops popping up everywhere like mushrooms after a rainstorm are essentially building an 'infrastructure.' This could eventually allow gold to break free from central control and start 'living its own life.' It might slip past manipulation, drive its own market value, and just assert itself as a reserve currency. It wouldn't even matter if it were legal or happening under the table through bans.

If things actually start moving in that direction, I'm not sure what kind of law or force—short of nuclear war—could actually stop that process.
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#1654 ·
I have absolutely nothing against gold buyback institutions popping up like mushrooms after a rainstorm—it’s a fundamental prerequisite for free trade. However, I should point out that this particular "trade" feels more like a one-way street: you can dump your gold, sure, but good luck trying to buy it back. If we keep heading down this path, the ultimate result will be a massive polarization of capital flow. On one side, you'll have the savvy players buying up gold and amassing real wealth; on the other, you'll have those selling it off, watching themselves slide steadily into poverty. My only real concern is the math behind it all—right now, about 10% of people are selling their gold, 60% aren't interested in touching it, and then there's that final 30% who simply have nothing left to sell in the first place.
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1655 ·
Gold (weekly), but if we break below $1,731 by Thursday or Friday, we've officially hit bottom.

Daily view—potential bottom on October 24th. I’m thinking it was closer to $1,695.
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1656 ·
The fight for gold is still on. Are we breaking past $1,730 or dropping below $1,698? That’s a roughly $32 swing right there. Right now, things are looking pretty tense around that lower level.
restlessmason54 restlessmason54 Member
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#1657 ·
Patrick Moore3 said:This "pattern" in gold trading during the 8:30-9:00 AM window in New York... Wall Street lost power because of the hurricane 🍿

🙏 🙏
vividgull10 vividgull10 Active Member
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#1658 ·
quiettrucker12 said:The fight for gold is still on. Are we breaking past $1,730 or dropping below $1,698? That’s a roughly $32 swing right there. Right now, things are looking pretty tense around that lower level.

The battle is happening at USDX around 80.

PS.
Just waiting for the weakest link to snap... seeing which way the momentum shifts first. Once that happens, it'll be an easy ride back up to 84+ on the USDX. And obviously, expect corrections across the board.
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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#1659 ·
We'll see if we can hit 75w at around 1670
vividgull10 vividgull10 Active Member
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#1660 ·
quiettrucker12 said:We'll see if we can hit 75w at around 1670

Why wouldn't it hit the 67EMA?

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