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electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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joined Apr 2012
#2481 ·
I noticed that Discount24 actually stocks Seasonic power supplies, and they’re even carrying those old-school high-end series... I guess it's kind of weird that you don't see them sitting on the shelves at other local shops? I mean, if I remember correctly, Corsair used to pay them to manufacture their units back when Corsair was actually making decent stuff... nowadays, though, Corsair has someone else handling their power supplies, and honestly, there isn't even a fraction of that old Seasonic quality left in what they're putting out now.
Matthew Alvarez Matthew Alvarez Newcomer
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#2482 ·
Corsair is honestly a joke of a company—and I'm not just talking about their power supplies—but mostly they just get picked up by people who don't know any better because of their old reputation and those "popular" AIO solutions where the fans die faster than you can buy a new pair of sneakers.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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joined Apr 2012
#2483 ·
Matthew Alvarez said:Honestly, Corsair is kind of a joke of a company, and I'm not just talking about their power supplies. Most people just buy them because they aren't really tech-savvy and they fall for the big brand name based on old glory days and those "popular" AIO setups where the fans start dying faster than you can pick out a new pair of sneakers.

I mean, okay, if it happens once every three years, I guess that isn't actually that bad...
darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
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joined Oct 2015
#2484 ·
Matthew Alvarez said:Corsair is a joke of a company. It’s not just about their power supplies; they mostly just get bought by people who don't know any better.


🤦😵

Where have you been all this time, man? We've been living under a false sense of security for years...
crimsonstag84 crimsonstag84 Regular
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joined Jun 2010
#2485 ·
Unfortunately, Corsair doesn't really have anything worth mentioning in the low to mid-range segments... their power supplies themselves are pretty solid quality for those tiers, but there are always better alternatives out there for the same price or even less.
Matthew Alvarez Matthew Alvarez Newcomer
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#2486 ·
Anyone who actually keeps up with hardware knows this—it’s not exactly shocking that you're completely clueless about it.

Go ahead and read some actual customer reviews on other forums regarding their AIO solutions before you try to come at me.😉
The fans die within a few months—they just fail—and then you have to RMA them, but even when you get replacements, they leak again. It's a joke. I guess the only permanent fix is buying AM fans, which cost at least $67 2 units, bringing your total spend to over $200. For that kind of money, you could easily grab a 360mm AIO that absolutely crushes those 240-280mm Corsair setups.
Not to mention that Cooler Master liquid coolers are either cheaper or just better built with stronger pumps—same goes for Fractal and a few other reputable brands.

As for the power supplies, they are massively overpriced—period. They use lower-quality fans, and the internal components in their budget and mainstream lines aren't anything special. Sure, their RM and AX series—which cost an absolute fortune—are fine, but they're way too expensive. For that price, you can easily pick up EVGA G2 or Superflower Leadex units, or even stick with Cooler master VS and Antec true power classic series.

Obviously, someone who doesn't follow this stuff wouldn't know that.

If you're still confused, I've got a ton of links I couldn't paste earlier that would back up everything I'm saying.😉
northernviper14 northernviper14 Newcomer
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joined Jun 2013
#2487 ·
Greetings, everyone. I am currently looking to upgrade my gtx 460, so I was hoping to hear some of your suggestions regarding potential replacements. My budget is roughly $500 and I would likely be purchasing through Best Buy, though I find myself leaning toward Nvidia graphics cards if possible. As for my current setup, I am running an i5 2400 along with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, which I am planning to expand to 8 GB quite soon.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2488 ·
Anyway, I was just gonna suggest that you guys maybe take a look over at Discount24 if you're hunting for a PSU to power your GPU; they've got some Seasonic stuff in stock right now, though I guess I have no clue how much longer they'll actually have it sitting there...
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#2489 ·
ruggedwolf8 said:Hey everyone! Thinking about swapping my GPU. Wondering if any of these would actually work with my current setup...

Gigabyte GA-MA78LMT-US2H motherboard
AMD Athlon II X3 450 CPU @ 3.2GHz, 1.5MB total cache
Real Power 500W 80 Plus Bronze PSU
Current GPU: HD 5670 1GB DDR3

Mainly just play online stuff (World of Tanks and Lord of the Rings) and occasionally Pro Evolution Soccer 2016 with friends. I'm looking at grabbing an XFX R7 250 1GB DDR5, an XFX R7 360 2GB DDR5, or maybe an NVIDIA GTX 750 Ti 2GB DDR5... or whatever else fits my budget of up to $400.....
Thanks for the help!!

Your board is actually better than mine. My CPU hits 3.8GHz with a little voltage bump... runs at 3.6GHz without touching the voltage...
Try pushing it to 3.6 (assuming you have decent cooling)... that should be plenty. Honestly, the jump I got with the GTX 750 Ti was massive.

Worst case scenario, just unlock the 4th core on that CPU so you don't even need to bother with overclocking.

I had terrible luck though—my 4th core ended up being defective.👎
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2490 ·
northernviper14 said:Hey guys, so I'm looking to swap out my GTX 460 and was hoping to get some suggestions from you all. My budget is around $500 and I'd probably pick something up from Best Buy, though I'd really prefer staying with NVIDIA cards if possible. My current setup is an Intel Core i5 2400 with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, which I'm planning to bump up to 8 GB soon.


these are basically the only ones I can find
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#2491 ·
northernviper14 said:Hey everyone, I'm looking to swap out my GTX 460 and wanted some suggestions. My budget is up to $500 and I'd buy from Links, though I definitely prefer NVIDIA cards. Current setup is an Intel Core i5 2400 with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, which I'm planning to bump up to 8 GB soon.

Go with the GTX 950. It's the best NVIDIA option you'll find at Links within that range.👍
Robert Rodriguez2 Robert Rodriguez2 Regular
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#2492 ·
Matthew Alvarez said:Anyone who actually keeps up with hardware knows this stuff. It’s not exactly rocket science, though you seem pretty lost.

Go read some reviews on other forums about their AIO setups before you try telling me how it is. 😉
The fans die within a few months, they start whining, and then you're stuck dealing with the RMA process. Even if you get replacements, the same thing happens again. Honestly, the only permanent fix is to just buy Noctua fans, but those aren't exactly cheap either. $67 Two of them? For that price, you're looking at over $200 total. You can grab a 360mm AIO for that kind of cash that’ll absolutely smoke those 240-280mm Corsair setups.
I'm not even going to bother saying it: Cooler Master liquid coolers cost less while offering better quality and a more powerful pump. Same goes for Fractal Design and a few other big-name brands.

The power supply market is a total rip-off. They charge a premium just to slap on some cheap, low-grade fans, and honestly, the internal components in those budget and mainstream lines aren't even that great. Sure, the high-end stuff like the RM or AX series is solid, but they cost an absolute fortune—it's highway robbery. For that kind of cash, you’re much better off grabbing an EVGA G2 or a Super Flower Leadex. Even if you're looking at the cheaper tier, you can easily go with an EVGA unit, a Cooler Master VS, or an Antec True Power Classic instead.

Of course, someone who doesn't really follow this stuff wouldn't know that.

If you still don't get it after this, I've got a bunch of Links ready to go. I couldn't paste them all here just now, but I'll drop them later to back up my points. 😉

Maybe you could show a little more respect to someone who was building rigs back when neither of us were even out of diapers.

Look, I've been around this forum for almost eight years now. From what I've seen, if someone actually knows their stuff—meaning they back up their experience with real data and solid sources—that person is darkowl72.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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joined Apr 2012
#2493 ·
northernviper14 said:Hey guys, so I'm looking to swap out my GTX 460 and wanted to see what you all suggest. My budget is around $500 and I'd probably grab something from Best Buy, though I'm leaning towards NVIDIA cards. My current setup is an Intel Core i5 2400 with 4 GB of DDR3 RAM, which I'm planning to bump up to 8 GB soon.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10555957

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/8405456

looks like the GTX 950 might be the better move, I guess.
Matthew Alvarez Matthew Alvarez Newcomer
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#2494 ·
Robert Rodriguez2 said:Maybe you could show a bit more respect toward someone who was actually building rigs back when neither of us even knew which end of a screwdriver was which...

But in my nearly 8 years on this forum—from what I’ve seen—if someone actually has experience and backs their claims up with both hands-on knowledge and external data, then that’s darkowl72.

Look, I don't know you people, and I don't know anything about you—I just judge based on what's written and said, plain and simple. For the same reason, you have no clue how old I am, where I work, or how many components I've personally tested and assembled.

darkowl72 is a smart guy, that much is true—I can see he knows his stuff in certain IT niches (laptops, UPS systems, rendering, processing, etc.)—but when it comes to specific component builds and those deep-dive details, he isn't exactly an expert. It doesn't bother me at all, really; I'm just trying to clarify things and offer my own perspective so we aren't just taking everything at face value.

I have zero intention of starting any "feuds" with anyone—I just like to defend my stance.
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darkowl72 darkowl72 Regular
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#2495 ·
Honestly, they should just make you the director here so we can consult you every time we want something done. 😬

Look, truth be told, I don't know which specific era you're talking about because you clearly don't remember when Corsair power supplies were actually top-tier—one of the few branded units you could find at a local shop alongside Fortron. But that was ages ago, back when their units were built by CWT or Seasonic. They totally blew it when they tried to cut corners and switched to other manufacturers (that first series of CX units was a notorious disaster), though finding hard data on that is tough since nobody wants to broadcast those failures. Later, they went back to CWT, but not to Seasonic. Again, let me repeat: Corsair is essentially a design group for PSU "manufacturers," whereas Cooler Master has never actually made a single power supply in its life; they just slap their stickers on them. And it definitely 😬 happens where they put different labels on the exact same unit (just like Corsair does) and sell them as entirely different models.

However, there’s this thing called a UL number that every power supply has to carry. You can use that to see who actually manufactured a "premium" Cooler Master unit—whether it's AC Bell, Enhance, Hipro, or someone else... With Fractal Design, there's no mystery; everything they sell is produced by ATNG.

But sure, you'll probably come up with more reasons and explanations for why you claimed certain brands are manufacturers in your last post, just pulling something new out of thin air (did anyone even ask your opinion on AIOs or vents?) just so you can act smart... You're drifting further and further off-topic.

Just make up your mind: is the Hyper 500 any good or not? First you trash it relentlessly, and then:

Matthew Alvarez said:As far as the power supply goes, that Hyper 500W is plenty for that setup,


🤣 boring....
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2496 ·
So, I was reading some stuff about how AMD and Nvidia handle multi-threading versus single-threading differently... I don't fully wrap my head around the technical nitty-gritty of it all, but apparently, if you're looking at single-threaded performance, an Intel CPU paired with an AMD GPU seems to hit the sweet spot for best results. Meanwhile, if you go the multi-threaded route—like using an AMD CPU with an Nvidia GPU—the numbers seem to tank a bit. I guess it’s just how things work, but could someone maybe break this down for me and explain what's actually going on?
silvermoose14 silvermoose14 Newcomer
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#2497 ·
Has anyone actually reached out to that guy selling the 780 Ti on Craigslist? I mean, does someone really drop $1,000 on a GPU just to run it on stock settings?

Is a 780 Ti even worth something like $220-$767?

I guess I'm basically dropping $2k on a new R9 380, which is miles ahead of that thing anyway.

Obviously, you'd want to do a deep dive and run some temperature benchmarks before you commit to buying anything.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2498 ·
I honestly have no clue, man... I stay far away from Craigslist like the plague. A buddy of mine ordered a 16GB USB stick for like twenty bucks, sent the money straight to the guy's account, and then nothing—the dude just ghosted him. This happened back before criminal complaints were even an option until $167, but now that the laws have shifted, you can't even file them until $667... so basically, if everything stays under $667, some jerk can just screw you over and walk away without any consequences at all. It’s a joke. Honestly, your best bet is probably meeting up in person, I guess... or maybe sticking to those specialized enthusiast forums where they actually maintain lists of vetted sellers, though you usually need a premium membership just to even see the listings. If something costs more than $667, then maybe it's worth the risk on a site like Craigslist, but if it's cheap?
Kimberly Gomez34 Kimberly Gomez34 RegularOP
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#2499 ·
electricharbor30 said:I was reading somewhere that AMD and Nvidia take different approaches to multi-threading versus single-threading... I don't fully grasp the mechanics behind it, but apparently, a single-threaded setup—like an Intel CPU paired with an AMD GPU—yields the best results, whereas a multi-threaded combo, such as an AMD CPU with an Nvidia GPU, performs worse. Can someone clear this up for me?

That isn't quite right, though I see where you're coming from. Take a look here at the bottom.

Most of that is just theoretical; you rarely see it play out in real-world usage.

You can find a breakdown here explaining how AMD and Nvidia GPUs handle things differently when running DirectX 11 versus DirectX 12.
electricharbor30 electricharbor30 Active Member
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#2500 ·
Timothy Kim60 said:That’s not quite it, though I think I get what you're getting at. Basically, you've got this right down at the bottom.

It's mostly just some theory, honestly, probably wouldn't even happen much in the real world.

You can find an explanation over here about how AMD and Nvidia GPUs handle things differently when it comes to DirectX 11 versus DirectX 12.

Goddammit, I'd probably pass out before I finished reading all that... just tell me which one is better already, man.

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