Kyle Roberts5 said:Enough is enough! It isn't merely that the moderators seem entirely indifferent toward the vast majority of subjects discussed within the Alternative section, nor is it just that they fail to grasp the core essence of most discussions while still choosing to arbitrarily delete posts. It goes deeper than that; people sharing unconventional views here find themselves forced to constantly justify their very way of thinking, all while any random proponent of mainstream science can swoop into an Alternative thread and wage war against us, shielded by the protection of the Alternative moderators. To top it all off—pay attention now—Moderator Carol Lopez23 actually includes this link http://symblogia.files.wordpress.com...rprijevod1.png in her signature, which is not just offensive, but a direct insult to every single individual who has ever written supportively about any topic found in the Alternative section. And frankly, her other link is no better.
I find this absolutely disgraceful!!! I am demanding that Carol Lopez23 be permanently stripped of her moderator status and issued an appropriate ban lasting several months because, as I have already emphasized, she has insulted every Alternative thinker personally. Or perhaps someone should appoint me as a moderator for any thread where I might insult and belittle those who write professionally within them.
Well, look at how upset he’s become.
First of all—my links are not an insult to anyone. They represent my own personal perspective, and clearly, they bother you because either:
a) they represent the truth
b) or your sudden burst of altruism has made you unexpectedly concerned for "every Alternative thinker."
I don't recall you complaining about the previous one, and notably, not a single homeopath complained either. Nor did any anti-vax advocate.
That being said, if the Admins believe I ought to be replaced, they need only say the word, and I will step down.
The moderators possess a sufficient understanding of most topics and participate in them quite adequately. It is simply that on a daily basis, there are perhaps only four or five relevant subjects, mostly revolving around Nibiru, Earth, something regarding "on the edge," and that is essentially the extent of it.
Furthermore, it isn't the case that "mainstreamers" are constantly invading threads to spout nonsense without cause. On the contrary, I consistently issue warnings and citations to any participants who violate our rules.
The Admins have full visibility and can see the massive amount of off-topic and spam posts generated by both sides across various threads. Just ask the "contra" group over in the Sun gazing thread exactly how many citations they have racked up.
Arthur Fowler83 said:I have noticed that as well. And it isn't limited to the Alternative section; it happens in the Religion section too. There are several moderators who curate threads discussing things they personally believe don't exist or are foolish, and therefore should be eradicated. If that is the case, why on earth are they even moderating those threads??
What we require is a counterweight, a sort of golden mean. The fundamental point is that the forum rules must be upheld. Beyond that, moderators are fellow forum members themselves, and they post accordingly; thus, they naturally hold "their" side.
In any case, every single post can be reported, so—knock yourself out.
Arthur Fowler83 said:They don't necessarily have to believe it, but they should at least show some respect for those who do, rather than mocking them—much like how the Moderator was treated by Kyle Roberts5.
Regarding the matter of objectivity, I never suggested we need a zealot; rather, what we need is an individual who remains genuinely open to diverse perspectives.
True objectivity doesn't mean being a rigid skeptic who thinks their sole purpose is to "enlighten" everyone else, dismissing religious or alternative viewpoints as primitive or foolish simply because they haven't personally experienced them.
There is a significant difference between healthy inquiry and the intentional, blatant spreading of falsehoods.
Kyle Roberts5 said:Dukakis, you personally seem to be missing the bigger picture. I recall our previous discussions, and if you don't, consider this: in this specific thread, you aren't even the one being questioned. On the contrary, you are one of those people tearing down alternative ideas without any real arguments or even basic foundational knowledge—all while being shielded by the Alternative Moderator. While I agree objectivity is vital, someone lacking a solid classical education (looking at you, or perhaps Carol Lopez23), and who refuses to engage in deep study of topics outside of high school curricula, mainstream media, or gaming forums, cannot claim to be objective if they dismiss everything else as "stupid." Furthermore, there seems to be an issue with ego here; like many of us, there's a certain inability to handle criticism or, heaven forbid, a well-reasoned argument.
Tell me, how can you not expect exactly what you are complaining about when faced with
this kind of post?
Kyle Roberts5 said:Once you complete a traditional education and begin exploring uncharted territories, you'll find that everything you discover initially gets labeled as "alternative," even if it has been proven multiple times. Essentially, anything not featured on the nightly news is branded as an alternative. So, to answer your question, the solution would be constant learning through quality literature and maintaining a critical eye that perpetually challenges established views. It requires a scientific mindset without pre-conceived notions of what the outcome will be.
But let's set that aside for now; finish high school and college first, and then things will get much easier for you...
I couldn't agree more. That is why I am making an appeal: anyone who lacks a fundamental understanding of biology, astronomy, or similar fields should refrain from posting in the Alternative section of this PDF. Or frankly, the forum entirely.
Is that acceptable enough for you?
Kyle Roberts5 said:Personally, I find myself leaning heavily toward empirical evidence, whereas theories serve as excellent fodder for conversation. Therefore, looking at things empirically: is it truly appropriate for an Admin to insult the very participants for whom this PDF was intended? If you wish to discuss specific Alternative topics, please direct those inquiries to the corresponding thread within the appropriate PDF. With an attitude that dismisses everything as mere charlatanism, one might find themselves quite poorly positioned given the current state of affairs.
Which moderator has insulted anyone? If you are referring to my signature—please look above.
That PDF is a saint compared to how things used to be, particularly regarding certain sub-forums. Speaking purely from an empirical standpoint.
Kyle Roberts5 said:You aren't grasping the core issue here, Dukakis, and that is a demonstrable fact. It is quite kind of you to bold my comments, though they clearly escape your notice despite the explanations provided. Understanding cause and effect is vital to objective observation; that is the very bedrock of science. Perhaps if you spent less time with books and more time out in the real world, you would eventually see reason. There is hope for you—not much, mind you, but there is some.
Why don't you simply open a dedicated thread to debate my character and my work? This particular discussion serves a different purpose, and frankly, I find it staggering that such off-topic trolling goes unpunished while the abysmal moderation over at Alternative—and a moderator who seems to hold a blatant grudge against Alternative enthusiasts—goes completely unaddressed.
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Provide a link, a statement, or a comment regarding this poor moderation. Just try to remember how many off-topic posts you have personally contributed.
Kyle Roberts5 said:Allow me to highlight and explain the signature of the moderator from Alternative.
Signature: September 26, 2011. I'm going to go grab a drink, smoke, and have some fun. I am certainly not going to take idiots and their nonsense seriously.
So?
Kyle Roberts5 said:The date September 26, 2011, refers to the alignment of the sun and the comet Elenin-Earth, which is currently a major topic of debate on Alternative. As it stands, no living soul knows or can prove exactly what will transpire on that day, if anything at all. I am simply following one of the most active threads on Alternative. Personally, I haven't posted a single comment on that thread, nor do I intend to.
Kyle Roberts5 said:He just goes off to hang out, smoke, and mess around — I have nothing to say about that except that it is truly pathetic.
I am honestly not sure how you choose to spend your leisure time. ☕
Kyle Roberts5 said: And not taking things seriously — there is a link provided here to a chart, structured much like the periodic table of elements, which categorizes nearly every topic we have debated into blocks labeled "silly, frivolous, illusion, pseudo-medicine, charlatanism, and New Age bunkum," alongside columns titled "nonsense, junk, garbage, and frauds." I have actually participated in some of these discussions myself, offering both arguments and perspectives. However, looking at the entire chart, I believe absolutely anyone could find themselves reflected in one of those categories, particularly since our esteemed Carol Lopez$^{23}$ so articulately and objectively places them into specific blocks, presumably because she serves as the ultimate guardian of Truth!
Feel free to ask the authors to take it down.
Kyle Roberts5 said:idiots and their nonsense — in this instance, everyone who fell into one of those categories was branded an idiot, complete with an example of an "idiot" via a link to a very popular blogger's site (one whom I personally do not follow), whereas our friend Carol Lopez$^{23}$ remains safely shielded behind a pseudonym.
No, he was labeled an idiot because what I linked was quite simply idiocy. It is worth noting that he hasn't filed a single complaint against me. Yet, he continues to post in threads that I moderate so vigorously and poorly (
http://www.americanforum.com/member.php?u=412445).
If anyone on this forum is being played for a fool, it is certainly me.
Kyle Roberts5 said:This is absolutely disgraceful!!! I’m actually issuing a correction to my initial post regarding this thread; I no longer believe a mere multi-month suspension is sufficient. Given the specific responsibilities he handles on a volunteer basis, combined with his blatant lack of basic etiquette, I am now of the opinion that he deserves a permanent ban from the community!
On a different note, tell me, what exactly was the catalyst that triggered this entire debate for you? 🍿
