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Jamie Patel4 Jamie Patel4 Member
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#21 ·
mistyseal11 said:Please, don't put her in rehab just for the pills; that would honestly just wreck her for good, and it wouldn't even make any sense.

1) "Pills" aren't exactly an everyday thing...
2) Not every "drug" is everyone's cup of tea either... maybe she actually finds the whole thing disgusting...

Though, looking at those symptoms, it sounds a lot like MDMA.
Or maybe speed. Or some other kind of amphetamine.

Personally, I got totally turned off from MDMA after trying it just once. It was absolutely revolting, like, seriously, what a nightmare.

I'm inclined to agree here, especially if we're talking about amphetamines...
It's difficult to offer definitive advice—it's either do it or don't.
However, I have a feeling that an open-ended outpatient program would be far more effective than simply locking someone away in a psychiatric ward.
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#22 ·
Ecstasy doesn't usually last that long.
I honestly think she popped some insanely heavy pill—don't know the exact name—because one time I was sold something similar and it absolutely wrecked me for two full days... and mind you, I’m pretty mentally tough and stubborn as hell, which probably helped me power through... I don't know.

If that isn't it, I’d bet money she's bipolar... I remember seeing plenty of stories about that on the Oprah Winfrey Show where they concluded the disorder just hits you out of nowhere.

But if she’s been living in her own little world for several days now, then she took a pill strong enough to take down a horse. It leveled me—and I’ve got much more physical stamina than a 20-year-old girl weighing maybe 110 or 130 pounds—so there’s no way it wasn't at least two or three of those things.
mistyheron8 mistyheron8 Member
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joined Oct 2009
#23 ·
martyne said:Unfortunately, that isn't really an answer for you; it’s a long, drawn-out process, but ultimately, a person has to make the choice to step away from all those pills—neither taking them on their own whim nor demanding they be prescribed. The solution isn't just checking yourself into a hospital under vague circumstances, either. Mental struggles aren't physical ailments; they don't require bed rest, compresses, or herbal teas, and in the early stages, they shouldn't necessarily demand medication—which can be quite dangerous. Would you like to get in touch with me in Washington, D.C.? I have a fair amount of experience dealing with similar situations, because there are no truly "unknown" cases, only unknown causes, and the secret to success lies in uncovering those roots rather than simply handing out prescriptions.

Hmm, advertising oneself on a forum? I'm fairly certain that isn't permitted here. Honestly, it's precisely that kind of self-promotion that would keep me from ever joining. And regardless of whether you consider yourself an expert, I have to disagree with the notion that we should avoid prescribing medication entirely—assuming you mean for every single psychological condition. It isn't a coincidence that mental illnesses run frequently through certain families. You might point toward environment and upbringing, but I’d argue it's a mix of genetics and environment. For instance, you often see people who share close bloodlines but don't live together, yet still manifest the same mental health struggles. It’s well-documented that things like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, OCD, and depression have genetic components; the environment is merely one factor, a trigger. This means that something like severe depression absolutely requires medication first, and only once those drugs take effect does it make sense to layer on psychotherapy, because until then, therapy alone won't have much of an impact. I’m speaking broadly about mental illness here, not specifically regarding the girl mentioned by the original poster.
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#24 ·
Here we go again—another fight brewing out of absolutely nothing...🙄
mistyheron8 mistyheron8 Member
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#25 ·
shadowrider8 said:Here we go again—another fight brewing out of absolutely nothing...🙄

Now, hold on there, shadowrider8, I’m really not one for starting drama🙂 It just gets under my skin when people are so relentlessly opposed to psychiatric medication🤷 I’m certainly not the type who enjoys spending hours bickering on an online forum for the sake of it😍
Jamie Patel4 Jamie Patel4 Member
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#26 ·
shadowrider8 said:Ecstasy doesn't usually last that long.
I honestly think she popped some insanely heavy pill—don't know the exact name—because one time I was sold something similar and it absolutely wrecked me for two full days... and mind you, I’m pretty mentally tough and stubborn as hell, which probably helped me power through... I don't know.

If that isn't it, I’d bet money she's bipolar... I remember seeing plenty of stories about that on the Oprah Winfrey Show where they concluded the disorder just hits you out of nowhere.

But if she’s been living in her own little world for several days now, then she took a pill strong enough to take down a horse. It leveled me—and I’ve got much more physical stamina than a 20-year-old girl weighing maybe 110 or 130 pounds—so there’s no way it wasn't at least two or three of those things.

Yes, obviously a single dose doesn't last that long. However, I suspect her current state isn't due to the acute effects, but rather the aftermath on her nervous system. Truthfully, the question remains whether it was even ecstasy to begin with. Everything about this suggests it wasn't just a single dose. Even so, for certain people, taking anything just once can trigger a total imbalance.
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 Regular
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#27 ·
I was stuck in a total "down" period for an entire week, and man, I was dealing with some straight-up audio-visual hallucinations the whole time
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#28 ·
Jamie Patel4 said:Yes, obviously a single dose doesn't last that long. However, I suspect her current state isn't due to the acute effects, but rather the aftermath on her nervous system. Truthfully, the question remains whether it was even ecstasy to begin with. Everything about this suggests it wasn't just a single dose. Even so, for certain people, taking anything just once can trigger a total imbalance.

I seriously doubt it was X... unfortunately, I went through a phase with powders and pills myself... and I know the difference. I remember when an old acquaintance handed me this one pill and it absolutely leveled me. I'm not exactly young or super thin, but man, it wrecked me. I was basically out of commission for two full days—I actually had to call out of work because I couldn't physically get out of bed—maybe even three. I remember it being green and smooth, kind of like an Advil. It just left me feeling totally depressed—not clinical depression, necessarily, just... down.👎
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#29 ·
mistyheron8 said:Now, hold on there, shadowrider8, I’m really not one for starting drama🙂 It just gets under my skin when people are so relentlessly opposed to psychiatric medication🤷 I’m certainly not the type who enjoys spending hours bickering on an online forum for the sake of it😍

Alright, fair enough. It just gets old when someone feels the need to nitpick every single thread... especially in a psychology group. People come here looking for actual help, and instead, they get hit with endless bickering among users...🙄

no hard feelings 😉😍
dustyangler2 dustyangler2 Member
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#30 ·
mistyheron8 said:Hmm, advertising oneself on a forum? I'm fairly certain that isn't permitted here. Honestly, it's precisely that kind of self-promotion that would keep me from ever joining. And regardless of whether you consider yourself an expert, I have to disagree with the notion that we should avoid prescribing medication entirely—assuming you mean for every single psychological condition. It isn't a coincidence that mental illnesses run frequently through certain families. You might point toward environment and upbringing, but I’d argue it's a mix of genetics and environment. For instance, you often see people who share close bloodlines but don't live together, yet still manifest the same mental health struggles. It’s well-documented that things like bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, OCD, and depression have genetic components; the environment is merely one factor, a trigger. This means that something like severe depression absolutely requires medication first, and only once those drugs take effect does it make sense to layer on psychotherapy, because until then, therapy alone won't have much of an impact. I’m speaking broadly about mental illness here, not specifically regarding the girl mentioned by the original poster.

Totally agree with you! He should've just sent a PM if he was trying to help.👍
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#31 ·
mistyseal11 said:I was stuck in a total "down" period for an entire week, and man, I was dealing with some straight-up audio-visual hallucinations the whole time

man, what on earth were you taking...😕😲
James Hernandez77 James Hernandez77 Newcomer
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#32 ·
mistyheron8 said:Now, hold on there, shadowrider8, I’m really not one for starting drama🙂 It just gets under my skin when people are so relentlessly opposed to psychiatric medication🤷 I’m certainly not the type who enjoys spending hours bickering on an online forum for the sake of it😍

Look, meds can be a lifesaver, but honestly? Most of the time, it feels like the path of least resistance is just to throw a prescription at anyone struggling—whether it's someone dealing with test anxiety or even someone who's had a couple of bad nights out drinking. It reminds me of how often people get unnecessarily institutionalized, like that case in Cleveland where a young girl was sent to a psychiatric facility just because of her sexual orientation. I truly believe we should try to work through the root causes via conversation first. A medical diagnosis and subsequent therapy should only happen once the actual cause is identified. That’s really my main point. And obviously, if anyone actually needs help, I handle that through private messages, not out in the open. I wouldn't have it any other way—someone's health is a private matter between them and their provider, not some public debate. So, if anyone feels the need to reach out, please just use the PM function.
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 Regular
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#33 ·
shadowrider8 said:man, what on earth were you taking...😕😲

http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/nutmeg.shtml
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#34 ·
mistyseal11 said:http://www.erowid.org/plants/nutmeg/nutmeg.shtml

Give it to me straight—layman's terms... I don't have the energy to read through all that or play translator.😁
Jamie Patel4 Jamie Patel4 Member
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#35 ·
Billiards 🙂
I suspect the girl mentioned in the opening post didn't actually take it; she doesn't seem to be acting particularly high to me.
Or could she be? I haven't the slightest clue—what do you think?
That one sentence did strike a chord, though: "Its effects are long-lasting and are considered unpleasant by most who experience them."
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 Regular
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#36 ·
shadowrider8 said:Give it to me straight—layman's terms... I don't have the energy to read through all that or play translator.😁

faking ignorant 😁

nutmeg—it’s a total hallucinogen, honestly pretty close to ecstasy in terms of what's in it, and man, it hits you hard.
The "trip" lasts for days... you're just overflowing with empathy... you lose all sense of who you are... you basically just merge with "nature" for those few days while it's active... you practically cease to exist...
shadowrider8 shadowrider8 Member
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#37 ·
mistyseal11 said:faking ignorant 😁

nutmeg—it’s a total hallucinogen, honestly pretty close to ecstasy in terms of what's in it, and man, it hits you hard.
The "trip" lasts for days... you're just overflowing with empathy... you lose all sense of who you are... you basically just merge with "nature" for those few days while it's active... you practically cease to exist...

I'm not uneducated—I've been up since 6 AM, worked all day, and I've got the same grind tomorrow... I just don't have the mental bandwidth for a heavy read right now.😛

we've gone off track again...
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 Regular
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#38 ·
Yeah, man,

The only real mess I dealt with was when I ended up in the ER...
They ran blood and urine tests where they used gas chromatography to prove someone had been using pure morphine or heroin.

Still, my family actually believed me, so I didn't end up in a coma or anything. 🙂

...but regardless, nutmeg hasn't touched my spice rack since that whole ordeal. 😁
James Bennett9 James Bennett9 MemberOP
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joined Mar 2010
#39 ·
What do you mean by "commune"? This girl is dealing with some serious mental health struggles, and I’m just trying to make sense of it all. I mentioned earlier that she confessed to taking a pill, mostly because I was almost certain she wouldn't do something like that...
So, now she’s in the psych ward. Her mom took her there—maybe to the ER, I’m not entirely sure—but she talked to the psychiatrist, admitted to taking the pill, and they decided to keep her there for observation. I honestly don't know if it was just one single pill, or if this has been going on for a while, or if one solitary pill was enough to trigger this whole breakdown... I really hope they can run blood and urine tests to figure out exactly what she took and how long ago... and maybe the pills are just one piece of a much larger puzzle, I don't know...
There's something else, too. She watched Paranormal Activity with me. Do you think a movie like that could actually have that kind of psychological impact on someone? Like, could it cause a reaction like this?
We watched the movie about a month or so ago. She seemed completely fine right after. Just to recap, things started shifting about three weeks ago, then she became a totally different person four days ago, and today she completely lost her grip on reality. She was admitted to the hospital a few hours ago... I won't be able to see her until tomorrow...
Jamie Patel4 Jamie Patel4 Member
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#40 ·
James Bennett9 said:What do you mean by "commune"? This girl is dealing with some serious mental health struggles, and I’m just trying to make sense of it all. I mentioned earlier that she confessed to taking a pill, mostly because I was almost certain she wouldn't do something like that...
So, now she’s in the psych ward. Her mom took her there—maybe to the ER, I’m not entirely sure—but she talked to the psychiatrist, admitted to taking the pill, and they decided to keep her there for observation. I honestly don't know if it was just one single pill, or if this has been going on for a while, or if one solitary pill was enough to trigger this whole breakdown... I really hope they can run blood and urine tests to figure out exactly what she took and how long ago... and maybe the pills are just one piece of a much larger puzzle, I don't know...
There's something else, too. She watched Paranormal Activity with me. Do you think a movie like that could actually have that kind of psychological impact on someone? Like, could it cause a reaction like this?
We watched the movie about a month or so ago. She seemed completely fine right after. Just to recap, things started shifting about three weeks ago, then she became a totally different person four days ago, and today she completely lost her grip on reality. She was admitted to the hospital a few hours ago... I won't be able to see her until tomorrow...

I wouldn't say the movie has anything to do with it... don't forget what she admitted to consuming...
Try not to overthink this too much right now, though I realize you're likely spinning through a thousand different questions.
Get some sleep, go visit her tomorrow, and try to get some actual information from the doctors.
Hang in there; I really hope everything turns out okay.

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