Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Larry Fox5 said:The real issue is how fast they're trying to process everyone—plus, Angela sent out some seriously wrong signals with her statements. She probably realized she messed up and decided to pull a political U-turn. Having 10,000 refugees arriving every single day caused absolute chaos in Bavaria... it's no wonder things are a mess, from basic registration to actual placement.

Basically, telling everyone there was no limit on refugee status just acted like a magnet for those massive lines heading toward Europe.

By the way, to all the people mocking these poor souls—I honestly hope to God you get a taste of that experience at least once in your lives. 🙄

It’s actually insane—I was out in the fields with my mom right when everything started going down here in America, and there was literal gunfire happening just a mile away from us. I remember traveling from a small town outside of Austin toward the city with my parents in the early morning hours on that exact day when boulders started crashing down onto the roads. I can tell you for sure, there were hardly any cars on the road at all. Everything we owned ended up being trashed, stolen, or burned to the ground. My dad and uncle stayed behind, but my mom, my sister, and I were actually over in Germany with the rest of our family, who had also been forced out by the aggressors. Most of our relatives worked in Germany back then, and some were even officially registered there, but obviously, that didn't stop the German authorities from kicking us out and sending us right back. It really makes me wonder how many of these people will actually be able to return home. So, hey, Larry Fox5, what was your experience like during the war?

Robin Fox2 said:It would be easy for Syria, considering there are billions more people coming from Asia and Africa... if they actually start moving, a wall won't be nearly enough, we'll probably need landmines 🤣

Well, I guess we’ve always been close friends with the African community. People like Chago, Mass Sarr, Antimon, and Pavo crnac... We get along well with folks from Asia too; I think we still remember Miure and that journalist.

I wonder if they could just take buses over to Canada instead? There's that small crossing near Bregana where the booths are usually pretty much empty.

Sandra Johnson58 said:It’s actually insane—I was out in the fields with my mom right when everything started going down here in America, and there was literal gunfire happening just a mile away from us. I remember traveling from a small town outside of Austin toward the city with my parents in the early morning hours on that exact day when boulders started crashing down onto the roads. I can tell you for sure, there were hardly any cars on the road at all. Everything we owned ended up being trashed, stolen, or burned to the ground. My dad and uncle stayed behind, but my mom, my sister, and I were actually over in Germany with the rest of our family, who had also been forced out by the aggressors. Most of our relatives worked in Germany back then, and some were even officially registered there, but obviously, that didn't stop the German authorities from kicking us out and sending us right back. It really makes me wonder how many of these people will actually be able to return home. So, hey, Larry Fox5, what was your experience like during the war?

Phil, it would be even more pathetic if you were sitting here mocking refugees—people who have gone through basically the same hell you did. These poor souls traveled thousands of miles just to escape death, leaving everything they ever loved behind.

I don't give a damn about your attitude, because I just can't wrap my head around it.

Larry Fox5 said:Phil, it would be even more pathetic if you were sitting here mocking refugees—people who have gone through basically the same hell you did. These poor souls traveled thousands of miles just to escape death, leaving everything they ever loved behind.

I don't give a damn about your attitude, because I just can't wrap my head around it.

I think you might be missing the point of what we're discussing here. Out of that massive group of people, only some are actually fleeing for their lives. I wouldn't even say they make up most of them; maybe it's less than 50%. If you include the ones arriving in Italy by boat from Africa, the percentage probably drops even lower. I doubt you'd find anyone in this group making fun of women and children escaping Syria.

Larry Fox5 said:Phil, it would be even more pathetic if you were sitting here mocking refugees—people who have gone through basically the same hell you did. These poor souls traveled thousands of miles just to escape death, leaving everything they ever loved behind.

I don't give a damn about your attitude, because I just can't wrap my head around it.

Look, let's get real for a second. Once they cleared those first hundred or two hundred miles, they had already escaped certain death.

Besides, down in the Midwest, it gets scorching—hitting 95 or 100 degrees easy—and these trains carrying them don't even have AC. When it's 85 outside, being stuck in those cars feels like straight-up hell.

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But honestly, once things settle down after the war, the Turks are just going to send them all back 😲

Larry Fox5 said:Phil, it would be even more pathetic if you were sitting here mocking refugees—people who have gone through basically the same hell you did. These poor souls traveled thousands of miles just to escape death, leaving everything they ever loved behind.

I don't give a damn about your attitude, because I just can't wrap my head around it.

Look, I’m not making fun of them. I’m totally all for helping people, but specifically those coming from actual war zones, not the ones who just pick up some cash along the way—you know, those flashy guys from Guinea, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, etc. Honestly, back when my family had to go to Germany during the war, they had to show a mountain of paperwork and all kinds of other nonsense; they didn't just barge in whenever they felt like it. You know how the law works, and the law has to be respected—it shouldn't be like a mob just deciding what the rules are. They want this or that, and hey, I'd love to move to Canada too, but people would tell me to get lost if I said that. I get that you want to help, man, but let's be real here. We're talking about five million people potentially showing up asking for asylum. Just think about it—the Germans calculated that processing one person costs about 12,000 euros. Now multiply that by five million... I doubt it's any cheaper in other countries, so you're looking at a number with a ton of zeros.
Not to mention how much it'll cost to integrate everyone who actually gets asylum, and then there's the whole mess of sending back the people who don't. Where do you even send them? Back to the country they came from, only to be sent right back again... it's a loop all the way back to Syria.🤷
Helping is one thing, but being clueless is another. Because of this, Europe is going to start bursting at the seams, because even the US wouldn't be able to handle taking in five million people in such a short amount of time. Though, honestly, if these immigrants showed up at the American or Israeli border acting like this, they'd be heading home in body bags, but that's a whole different story.
Anyway, sorry for calling you a ridiculous clown earlier, I guess I just got carried away.

ambertinker41 said:But honestly, once things settle down after the war, the Turks are just going to send them all back 😲

I’m still just totally baffled by how much Europe lacks any kind of actual strategy. I mean, thank God they had enough time to prepare and get their act together, but the organization behind this whole thing is so pathetic. It's honestly so poorly handled that even our local US agencies look efficient compared to what the EU is doing. Like, looking at what roby wrote above, more than half of those refugees are people just like me and him. It's actually shocking how they just let people walk right through the borders without any real concern, almost like they think it's just some uncontrollable crowd that can't be stopped. Like I said before, just call in the IDF to help out and then you'll see what it looks like when someone actually knows how to stop and filter a group.

Sandra Johnson58 said:Look, I’m not making fun of them. I’m totally all for helping people, but specifically those coming from actual war zones, not the ones who just pick up some cash along the way—you know, those flashy guys from Guinea, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, etc. Honestly, back when my family had to go to Germany during the war, they had to show a mountain of paperwork and all kinds of other nonsense; they didn't just barge in whenever they felt like it. You know how the law works, and the law has to be respected—it shouldn't be like a mob just deciding what the rules are. They want this or that, and hey, I'd love to move to Canada too, but people would tell me to get lost if I said that. I get that you want to help, man, but let's be real here. We're talking about five million people potentially showing up asking for asylum. Just think about it—the Germans calculated that processing one person costs about 12,000 euros. Now multiply that by five million... I doubt it's any cheaper in other countries, so you're looking at a number with a ton of zeros.
Not to mention how much it'll cost to integrate everyone who actually gets asylum, and then there's the whole mess of sending back the people who don't. Where do you even send them? Back to the country they came from, only to be sent right back again... it's a loop all the way back to Syria.🤷
Helping is one thing, but being clueless is another. Because of this, Europe is going to start bursting at the seams, because even the US wouldn't be able to handle taking in five million people in such a short amount of time. Though, honestly, if these immigrants showed up at the American or Israeli border acting like this, they'd be heading home in body bags, but that's a whole different story.
Anyway, sorry for calling you a ridiculous clown earlier, I guess I just got carried away.

Whatever, it's fine.

I'm not saying we should just let anyone and everyone in indiscriminately—I'm strictly talking about those who truly, desperately need it because their lives are on the line. It's a completely different issue that these massive columns of people are bypassing every possible checkpoint. Yeah, it's insane to allow border crossings without any oversight, but it happens because Europe isn't a single federation—it's just 28 little pieces that can't even agree with each other.

It's easy for Israel or the US to secure their borders when they're dealing with homogeneous nations with one army, one police force, and one person making the calls. Here, it's impossible because everyone is trying to run their own separate political show.

Signed by Phil, who’s had a pretty similar life path to plenty of other Americans. I don't recall anyone ever throwing stones at some government building just because they didn't want us in their country. There's no such thing as a free ride. They just toss you aside like a piece of trash, leaving you to scramble for a place to stay both here in the States and abroad—even though you weren't exactly welcome anywhere to begin with—all while our fathers were out there fighting wars.

Women, children, and helpless seniors 🍿

About 90% of them aren't even Syrian; they're just people fleeing their own failed states. Angela invited them in, apparently forgetting that Eastern Europe and the Danes would eventually say nein...

Larry Fox5 said:Whatever, it's fine.

I'm not saying we should just let anyone and everyone in indiscriminately—I'm strictly talking about those who truly, desperately need it because their lives are on the line. It's a completely different issue that these massive columns of people are bypassing every possible checkpoint. Yeah, it's insane to allow border crossings without any oversight, but it happens because Europe isn't a single federation—it's just 28 little pieces that can't even agree with each other.

It's easy for Israel or the US to secure their borders when they're dealing with homogeneous nations with one army, one police force, and one person making the calls. Here, it's impossible because everyone is trying to run their own separate political show.

That’s why everyone is free to think for themselves, though I worry we aren't being smart or decisive enough. It feels like we've been caught totally off guard by how things are developing, much like everywhere else right now...

The administration is asking neighbors like Mexico and Greece to stem the refugee flow instead of mobilizing the military immediately to seal the borders. While taking in a small number of people is the humane thing to do, we urgently need to stop the rest before we get overwhelmed, especially since countries like Austria, Canada, and Germany have already shut their borders down.

For the first time during this term, I actually support the decision to put the military on high alert...

Sandra Johnson58 said:Look, I’m not making fun of them. I’m totally all for helping people, but specifically those coming from actual war zones, not the ones who just pick up some cash along the way—you know, those flashy guys from Guinea, Albania, Iran, Pakistan, etc. Honestly, back when my family had to go to Germany during the war, they had to show a mountain of paperwork and all kinds of other nonsense; they didn't just barge in whenever they felt like it. You know how the law works, and the law has to be respected—it shouldn't be like a mob just deciding what the rules are. They want this or that, and hey, I'd love to move to Canada too, but people would tell me to get lost if I said that. I get that you want to help, man, but let's be real here. We're talking about five million people potentially showing up asking for asylum. Just think about it—the Germans calculated that processing one person costs about 12,000 euros. Now multiply that by five million... I doubt it's any cheaper in other countries, so you're looking at a number with a ton of zeros.
Not to mention how much it'll cost to integrate everyone who actually gets asylum, and then there's the whole mess of sending back the people who don't. Where do you even send them? Back to the country they came from, only to be sent right back again... it's a loop all the way back to Syria.🤷
Helping is one thing, but being clueless is another. Because of this, Europe is going to start bursting at the seams, because even the US wouldn't be able to handle taking in five million people in such a short amount of time. Though, honestly, if these immigrants showed up at the American or Israeli border acting like this, they'd be heading home in body bags, but that's a whole different story.
Anyway, sorry for calling you a ridiculous clown earlier, I guess I just got carried away.

Iraqis and Eritreans are refugees from war too.
And it's not like we should be judging someone's citizenship by their skin color, right? 😕

Jessica Gonzalez said:I wonder if they could just take buses over to Canada instead? There's that small crossing near Bregana where the booths are usually pretty much empty.

Yeah, right, especially since Mexican taxi drivers are already dropping them off at the American border ☕

Some of them crossed through the Canadian border into southern Canada, while others are heading toward Canada...

Jessica Gonzalez said:I wonder if they could just take buses over to Canada instead? There's that small crossing near Bregana where the booths are usually pretty much empty.

I don't know how many times you've driven through there. Of course always someone is sitting in those booths, on both our side and the Canadian side. Not to mention that when cops see certain plates, they usually just wave you through. But lately, things have been tight everywhere.

James Anderson5 said:That’s why everyone is free to think for themselves, though I worry we aren't being smart or decisive enough. It feels like we've been caught totally off guard by how things are developing, much like everywhere else right now...

The administration is asking neighbors like Mexico and Greece to stem the refugee flow instead of mobilizing the military immediately to seal the borders. While taking in a small number of people is the humane thing to do, we urgently need to stop the rest before we get overwhelmed, especially since countries like Austria, Canada, and Germany have already shut their borders down.

For the first time during this term, I actually support the decision to put the military on high alert...

Hold on—are you seriously suggesting that socialite suddenly remembered she actually has some authority? 😁

Jessica Gonzalez said:I wonder if they could just take buses over to Canada instead? There's that small crossing near Bregana where the booths are usually pretty much empty.

I’d personally charge them a hundred bucks a head to drive them from Tovarnik straight to Bregana...

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Jessica Gonzalez said:I wonder if they could just take buses over to Canada instead? There's that small crossing near Bregana where the booths are usually pretty much empty.

We can't be too obvious about it. We'll take them in as refugees and get them settled, but we won't stand in the way of their journey.