Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

Honestly, I think it’s high time the Germans finally get their act together and start beefing up their defense industry. Their shipyards and steel mills are just sitting there doing absolutely nothing—it's pathetic...

Jesse Sullivan5 said:So, when you're out there hunting for motives and digging through the causes—if I may be so bold as to put it that way—are you actually getting anywhere, or what?

Precisely so.

So that’s the mindset—if you actually dare to notice that things aren't quite that simple, and that the West has its own massive blind spots—like a dirty conscience or all those weird connections to our ancient, primal enemies—then apparently you're just "justifying terrorism." 🙏

That's basically it: everyone just retreats into their little tribes and packs. We're the civilized ones, they're all animals; we're Republicans, they're Democrats; we're Cowboys, they're Outlaws. If you have anything else to contribute, you're a traitor. Honestly, the people acting like they'd be the first to build walls and "clean up" America would probably be the most hardcore extremists if they’d just been born into a different context. It's the same deal—the loudest "patriots" here would be the most radical zealots if they were part of a different group.

Someone mentioned how we Americans basically invented religion as this twisted ideological monster. Man, what a tragic and honestly pretty clueless take on history. We didn't invent it; we just polished it up and sanitized it—and at a pretty bloody cost, too. And now we act all shocked when folks in the rural heartland start heading down that same path, especially since they're dealing with the historical trauma that the West itself helped create.

Truly shocking and totally unexpected, right? Just imagine, ladies and gentlemen—such primitive behavior in the 21st century... yikes, we just can't wrap our heads around it. 🙏

Keeping it simple, precise, and short just so everyone actually gets it.

James Anderson5 said:No one can honestly claim Muslims are more backward than Westerners when about 40% of Americans believe the world was created just 10,000 years ago based on biblical accounts

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/be...n-origins.aspx

I even know people right here in the States who hold those views. The only difference is they’re often struggling financially and living in unstable environments with few ways out—which is basically perfect breeding ground for extremism. It's really no mystery why someone like Hitler rose to power in Germany back when the nation was economically broken

On a side note, I caught that list of demands being used in the negotiations for the new administration—if they actually pull all that off just for the sake of entrepreneurship, more power to them, otherwise neither the Democrats nor the Republicans would ever get it through

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...q-6262644.html

That’s the whole story.

James Anderson5 said:No one can honestly claim Muslims are more backward than Westerners when about 40% of Americans believe the world was created just 10,000 years ago based on biblical accounts

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/be...n-origins.aspx

I even know people right here in the States who hold those views. The only difference is they’re often struggling financially and living in unstable environments with few ways out—which is basically perfect breeding ground for extremism. It's really no mystery why someone like Hitler rose to power in Germany back when the nation was economically broken

On a side note, I caught that list of demands being used in the negotiations for the new administration—if they actually pull all that off just for the sake of entrepreneurship, more power to them, otherwise neither the Democrats nor the Republicans would ever get it through

Good grief, what a collection of fools.

And yet, we all know the truth is that the world was created in 4004 B.C., just as the Presbyterian Church teaches through the Gospel of Jesus and the Judgment of the Eighth Day—the only true faith, if one is seeking clarity.

Alex Brown50 said:So that’s the mindset—if you actually dare to notice that things aren't quite that simple, and that the West has its own massive blind spots—like a dirty conscience or all those weird connections to our ancient, primal enemies—then apparently you're just "justifying terrorism." 🙏

That's basically it: everyone just retreats into their little tribes and packs. We're the civilized ones, they're all animals; we're Republicans, they're Democrats; we're Cowboys, they're Outlaws. If you have anything else to contribute, you're a traitor. Honestly, the people acting like they'd be the first to build walls and "clean up" America would probably be the most hardcore extremists if they’d just been born into a different context. It's the same deal—the loudest "patriots" here would be the most radical zealots if they were part of a different group.

Someone mentioned how we Americans basically invented religion as this twisted ideological monster. Man, what a tragic and honestly pretty clueless take on history. We didn't invent it; we just polished it up and sanitized it—and at a pretty bloody cost, too. And now we act all shocked when folks in the rural heartland start heading down that same path, especially since they're dealing with the historical trauma that the West itself helped create.

Truly shocking and totally unexpected, right? Just imagine, ladies and gentlemen—such primitive behavior in the 21st century... yikes, we just can't wrap our heads around it. 🙏

Good grief. You’re standing there as a true humanist, calling out a massive injustice while everyone else is blinded by pure hatred. Most people are stuck seeing everything in black and white, unable to grasp the deeper nuances, but you actually see the bigger picture. You're like a modern-day Sophie Scholl. Unfortunately, reality isn't working in your favor right now. The vast majority of people are looking at this exactly how you are. Honestly, the West deserves what it's getting. It's just tragic how many miserable souls have lost their lives because of sheer stupidity. It’s gone so far that people are actually claiming the white man invented genocide. Talk about peak white guilt.

It’s a shame we can't seem to have a grounded, rational conversation about Islam and its actual teachings. Most people in this group are honestly fascinating—there’s such a wide spectrum of perspectives here. But when this topic comes up, it feels like talking to those self-proclaimed humanists who think they have all the answers. They immediately start pivoting. "But look at Christianity," or "Look at this historical event," or "All religions are essentially the same." They’ll claim Islam is just about love and peace, then turn around and call Americans narrow-minded for disagreeing. It’s always the same cycle. It gets exhausting.

Look, people are out here throwing stones at others. They literally bury someone in the sand and pelt them with rocks until they’re dead, all because of adultery or because they decided to leave Islam. They justify it by claiming the Creator of the universe commanded it. All over the world, Muslims believe this is God's word, so they give it their blessing. I’ll say it: you have to be a psychopath to do that. And whenever I speak up, people call me narrow-minded. It’s like I’m not allowed to call these acts sick without having to bring up the historical massacres committed by every single religion in history just to make my point. But that’s the reality—it is the official policy of certain Middle Eastern nations. Official policy. In those places, even trying to convert a Muslim can be treated as a criminal offense. Where are the global protests? Where are the massive demonstrations from the Muslim community around the world saying Saudi Arabia is wrong? Where are the voices saying, "This isn't actually Islam"? Nobody is stepping up to call these people psychopaths or labeling these punishments as insane. Honestly, if you’re stoning someone because you think a command from a thousand years ago still holds sway today, you’re a psychopath. At least in my book.

I’ll say it again. There are millions—hell, hundreds of millions—of Muslims out there who don't do that. They actually understand what the Quran represents. But honestly, they aren't even the main issue anymore. The real problem lies with the other HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Muslims who take things literally. In places like parts of the Midwest, for instance, you see significant groups who believe every single word is literal divine command, even when it calls for stoning people. STONING. We need to stand behind the normal, moderate Muslims and give them the support they need to reform the religion from within. We’re never going to achieve that if we just pretend the problem doesn't exist.

What I’m trying to get at is that the reasons someone would go out and set off a bomb in a crowd of innocent people aren't simple. It’s never just one thing; there’s a whole chain of factors at play. I think we can all agree on that. But in my view, tucked right in the middle of all those reasons, you'll find religion. Honestly, I think the very things you see happening during these attacks make that point pretty clear.

brightpilot6 said:Good grief, what a collection of fools.

And yet, we all know the truth is that the world was created in 4004 B.C., just as the Presbyterian Church teaches through the Gospel of Jesus and the Judgment of the Eighth Day—the only true faith, if one is seeking clarity.

It’s entirely possible—though I suspect even a fringe theorist like Fomenko would probably nod along to that one. 🤷

Academician Fomenko—and I think he’s actually got a point here—isn't trying to debunk the geological age of the planet itself, but rather he's challenging the mainstream timeline we've all been taught ☕

brightpilot6 said:Academician Fomenko—and I think he’s actually got a point here—isn't trying to debunk the geological age of the planet itself, but rather he's challenging the mainstream timeline we've all been taught ☕

Even if he hadn't officially stepped into that role—and let’s be honest, it wasn't exactly his specialty—if he had just taken the reins on that one specific issue... man, I truly believe he could have extended the lifespan of this entire nation by several thousand years! ☕

Amanda Evans2 said:In your previous response, when you were trying so hard to convince me that we aren't looking for an excuse but rather the cause... wouldn't it be more accurate to say we are looking for the catalyst instead of the cause?

Felix, who was able to learn the causes of things.

Jesse Sullivan5 said:Even if he hadn't officially stepped into that role—and let’s be honest, it wasn't exactly his specialty—if he had just taken the reins on that one specific issue... man, I truly believe he could have extended the lifespan of this entire nation by several thousand years! ☕

He probably would have tackled that too, but then again, isn't time simply running too short for him? ☕

brightpilot6 said:He probably would have tackled that too, but then again, isn't time simply running too short for him? ☕

Time waits for no one.

Michelle Doyle61 said:Good grief. You’re standing there as a true humanist, calling out a massive injustice while everyone else is blinded by pure hatred. Most people are stuck seeing everything in black and white, unable to grasp the deeper nuances, but you actually see the bigger picture. You're like a modern-day Sophie Scholl. Unfortunately, reality isn't working in your favor right now. The vast majority of people are looking at this exactly how you are. Honestly, the West deserves what it's getting. It's just tragic how many miserable souls have lost their lives because of sheer stupidity. It’s gone so far that people are actually claiming the white man invented genocide. Talk about peak white guilt.

It’s a shame we can't seem to have a grounded, rational conversation about Islam and its actual teachings. Most people in this group are honestly fascinating—there’s such a wide spectrum of perspectives here. But when this topic comes up, it feels like talking to those self-proclaimed humanists who think they have all the answers. They immediately start pivoting. "But look at Christianity," or "Look at this historical event," or "All religions are essentially the same." They’ll claim Islam is just about love and peace, then turn around and call Americans narrow-minded for disagreeing. It’s always the same cycle. It gets exhausting.

Look, people are out here throwing stones at others. They literally bury someone in the sand and pelt them with rocks until they’re dead, all because of adultery or because they decided to leave Islam. They justify it by claiming the Creator of the universe commanded it. All over the world, Muslims believe this is God's word, so they give it their blessing. I’ll say it: you have to be a psychopath to do that. And whenever I speak up, people call me narrow-minded. It’s like I’m not allowed to call these acts sick without having to bring up the historical massacres committed by every single religion in history just to make my point. But that’s the reality—it is the official policy of certain Middle Eastern nations. Official policy. In those places, even trying to convert a Muslim can be treated as a criminal offense. Where are the global protests? Where are the massive demonstrations from the Muslim community around the world saying Saudi Arabia is wrong? Where are the voices saying, "This isn't actually Islam"? Nobody is stepping up to call these people psychopaths or labeling these punishments as insane. Honestly, if you’re stoning someone because you think a command from a thousand years ago still holds sway today, you’re a psychopath. At least in my book.

I’ll say it again. There are millions—hell, hundreds of millions—of Muslims out there who don't do that. They actually understand what the Quran represents. But honestly, they aren't even the main issue anymore. The real problem lies with the other HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Muslims who take things literally. In places like parts of the Midwest, for instance, you see significant groups who believe every single word is literal divine command, even when it calls for stoning people. STONING. We need to stand behind the normal, moderate Muslims and give them the support they need to reform the religion from within. We’re never going to achieve that if we just pretend the problem doesn't exist.

What I’m trying to get at is that the reasons someone would go out and set off a bomb in a crowd of innocent people aren't simple. It’s never just one thing; there’s a whole chain of factors at play. I think we can all agree on that. But in my view, tucked right in the middle of all those reasons, you'll find religion. Honestly, I think the very things you see happening during these attacks make that point pretty clear.

Have you ever actually tried stoning someone who wasn't already buried in the ground?

Don't grasp the question? Well, thanks for nothing.

Jesse Sullivan5 said:Time waits for no one.

Stay with us.

By the way, time stays truly constant. ☕

Wait, if there's nothing here but sand, where on earth are they getting all that gravel from?

It’s all just stuff we import from overseas.

Patrick Wright2 said:Wait, if there's nothing here but sand, where on earth are they getting all that gravel from?

If you're being truthful, you'll remain a philosopher.

Still Sleepwalking Toward Armageddon
http://www.samharris.org/podcast/ite...ard-armageddon

Give this atheist a listen. It’s rational, well-argued, and covers everything you really need to know in just about 20 minutes.

Matches postponed
USA vs. Spain and
Germany vs. Netherlands.

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