Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

The sheer volume of goods we "indulge" in ultimately dictates our level of happiness.

Our entire system is built on these consumerist fetishes, having effectively brainwashed people into equating consumption with actual "success."

Then you have things like urban traffic patterns and public spaces, which are genuinely vital, yet most people—even those living just two blocks away—probably don't give them a second thought. It’s a strange reality when the names of our major thoroughfares and city squares are constantly being hijacked by every minor street or local plaza looking for relevance.

ruggedjackal46 said:Maybe go ask the President.

Exactly. And if we’re talking about party lines, when was the last time someone actually saw a fair hiring process for a major entity like ConEd, a federal agency, or any big state-run corporation—especially one that wasn't just pre-arranged for a specific person?

We could easily be talking about political hit jobs too, if you look at how people like those high-profile news commentators have been handled...

It's the same old story, just different faces. Almost everyone from the old Democratic or Republican establishment back in the day just shifted parties in the 90s, yet they've held onto power for the last 27 years. Now, some of them are attacking historical figures just to dodge the real, dangerous issues. It's like living in a real-life House of Cards...🤣

ruggedjackal46 said:It’s just lovely how they haven’t scrubbed every single street sign, as if nothing happened between 1941 and 1991 in this country. I suppose it's because the U.S. hasn't officially disavowed its anti-fascist legacy. But make no mistake, they certainly wiped most of those old-school partisan names off the maps.

I don't know if you realize it, but as a worker today, you enjoy way more benefits than your ancestors ever did. I highly doubt you'd actually want to travel back in time to experience the "glories" of the old regime you're so busy mourning. What I can't wrap my head around is your logic: is it really okay to suppress, exile, or imprison people based on their political views just to make life easier for those who fall in line with the party?

Thanks so much for enlightening me about the wonderful privileges of our modern system. Please, why don't you go tell the employees at Walmart, Amazon, or all those other corporate sweatshops how much "better" their lives are compared to living in a political prison cell? But hey, at least we live in an era where you're allowed to vent on a forum or Facebook without being hauled off, right?

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Paul Sanders5 said:It’s honestly hilarious how the biggest fans of the old regime are usually the same people who wouldn't have stood a chance if they actually had to live through it back then.😁

Honestly, it’s always the same story, isn't it? The people acting like they’ve endured the most soul-crushing trauma are usually the former party insiders—the ones who had the government hand them a luxury apartment, a steady paycheck, and a cushy leadership role on a silver platter. You know the type: guys like those old-school establishment politicians who spent decades quietly dismantling the system from the inside while pretending to be part of it. It's almost funny if you think about it long enough. 😁

ruggedjackal46 said:It’s just lovely how they haven’t scrubbed every single street sign, as if nothing happened between 1941 and 1991 in this country. I suppose it's because the U.S. hasn't officially disavowed its anti-fascist legacy. But make no mistake, they certainly wiped most of those old-school partisan names off the maps.

I don't know if you realize it, but as a worker today, you enjoy way more benefits than your ancestors ever did. I highly doubt you'd actually want to travel back in time to experience the "glories" of the old regime you're so busy mourning. What I can't wrap my head around is your logic: is it really okay to suppress, exile, or imprison people based on their political views just to make life easier for those who fall in line with the party?

Thanks so much for enlightening me about the wonderful privileges of our modern system. Please, why don't you go tell the employees at Walmart, Amazon, or all those other corporate sweatshops how much "better" their lives are compared to living in a political prison cell? But hey, at least we live in an era where you're allowed to vent on a forum or Facebook without being hauled off, right?

1. Stop squirming. You can complain about the resistance-themed streets all you want to make it look like history is being erased. That's different. In the old regime, it was like Orwell's books—history was constantly rewritten and every little local hero got a street named after them. Whatever they changed back in the 90s is whatever; it doesn't mean American history only starts in 1941.

2. Why would America distance itself from its anti-fascist roots? It only distanced itself from the "anti-fascist" version of fascism. Which, unfortunately, stains actual, pure anti-fascism.

3. I'll explain it to those workers once you explain to the people who were persecuted, jailed, or killed that things were actually "better" back then just because your grandpa or dad had it easy.

ruggedjackal46 said:Maybe go ask the President.

Back in the day, if you threatened the Big Man, you'd get a one-way ticket to a gulag. Now? You just get a slap on the wrist and the chance to sue the government for damages.

loneseal said:1. Stop squirming. You can complain about the resistance-themed streets all you want to make it look like history is being erased. That's different. In the old regime, it was like Orwell's books—history was constantly rewritten and every little local hero got a street named after them. Whatever they changed back in the 90s is whatever; it doesn't mean American history only starts in 1941.

2. Why would America distance itself from its anti-fascist roots? It only distanced itself from the "anti-fascist" version of fascism. Which, unfortunately, stains actual, pure anti-fascism.

3. I'll explain it to those workers once you explain to the people who were persecuted, jailed, or killed that things were actually "better" back then just because your grandpa or dad had it easy.

Back in the day, if you threatened the Big Man, you'd get a one-way ticket to a gulag. Now? You just get a slap on the wrist and the chance to sue the government for damages.

Finally, I can actually name these streets after some truly monumental American icons—you know, people like the founders of Detroit or maybe someone from Philadelphia, or even just honoring names like Washington or Lincoln. And of course, we have to have the United States of America. Because honestly, how would you ever realize you were actually standing in the United States if there wasn't a Republic Square somewhere to remind you?

Why on earth would America turn its back on its own anti-fascist history? It wouldn't. If anything, the country is just distancing itself from that weird brand of "anti-fascism" that actually ends up acting like the very thing it claims to fight. You know the type—the kind that pollutes the actual, pure concept of fighting fascism by being just as authoritarian as the villains. Isn't it funny how that works?

Like I’ve said before, if we’re following this logic to its ridiculous conclusion, then all those resistance fighters who lost their lives back in '41 or '42 were somehow part of that "fascist" label too. I guess they're guilty by association now? Because according to this line of thinking, since their symbols eventually paved the way for the country being torn apart fifty years later, they must have been the villains all along. Makes sense, right? If that's how you want to play it.

I’ll just explain it to all those workers once you've finished explaining to the people being persecuted, thrown in jail, or murdered that things were actually "better back then" because their grandfather or father had it easier. Is that how we're doing this now?

Look, I get it. A lot of grandmas, dads, and moms will tell you life was just better back then. And hey, that doesn’t justify the violence or the killings, obviously—not even close. But does that mean things are suddenly perfect in America today? Not exactly. It certainly isn't enough to justify the constant refrain that we were living under some crushing totalitarian regime before 1991 and now we're somehow living in this flawless, free-and-independent democracy. Is it really that black and white? Probably not.

If you decide to go around making threats against the Commander in Chief, you used to be looking at a one-way ticket to the afterlife. Nowadays? You’re more likely to get a few days in a holding cell and then the opportunity to sue the government for damages. Is that what we're doing now? Everything just gets softer, doesn't it?

If you had to pick between actual social security and the freedom to let tech giants run wild on Facebook, I’d choose the former every single time. But looking at things lately, it doesn't even feel like we have a choice anymore, does it?

James Anderson5 said:Exactly. And if we’re talking about party lines, when was the last time someone actually saw a fair hiring process for a major entity like ConEd, a federal agency, or any big state-run corporation—especially one that wasn't just pre-arranged for a specific person?

We could easily be talking about political hit jobs too, if you look at how people like those high-profile news commentators have been handled...

It's the same old story, just different faces. Almost everyone from the old Democratic or Republican establishment back in the day just shifted parties in the 90s, yet they've held onto power for the last 27 years. Now, some of them are attacking historical figures just to dodge the real, dangerous issues. It's like living in a real-life House of Cards...🤣

Man, they really missed the mark here. If we were talking about street names or town squares, Paul Sanders5, ruggedjackal46, and Peter Thompson4 probably would've been arguing about arbitration or that big corporate restructuring case instead. Guess old-school politics really messed things up for them. 😁

Sure, it’s a distraction in some ways, but if you follow that logic, you basically kill any conversation that isn't about the budget, school reforms, or some legal dispute. It feels a little paranoid to me—kind of like watching CNN when pundits from both parties just spend the whole time accusing each other of dodging the real issues.

Everything seems to be an issue lately—whether it's the debt crisis at companies like ExxonMobil or even just renaming a local street corner. Honestly, I think people find it easier to argue about figures like JFK. It’s such a simple debate: half the country loves him, the other half thinks he was a disaster. You get five reasons to love him and five reasons to hate him, and everyone picks a side and starts shouting. People who actually study history look at the bigger picture, while everyone else just sticks to their gut. But when you start talking about massive corporate bankruptcies or international trade litigation? Most people won't touch that because you actually have to understand economics or global law to have an opinion.

I don't think anyone’s life is going to get better or worse because of what they rename the square, but we should probably just clear the air and move on.

loneseal said:1. Stop squirming. You can complain about the resistance-themed streets all you want to make it look like history is being erased. That's different. In the old regime, it was like Orwell's books—history was constantly rewritten and every little local hero got a street named after them. Whatever they changed back in the 90s is whatever; it doesn't mean American history only starts in 1941.

2. Why would America distance itself from its anti-fascist roots? It only distanced itself from the "anti-fascist" version of fascism. Which, unfortunately, stains actual, pure anti-fascism.

3. I'll explain it to those workers once you explain to the people who were persecuted, jailed, or killed that things were actually "better" back then just because your grandpa or dad had it easy.

Back in the day, if you threatened the Big Man, you'd get a one-way ticket to a gulag. Now? You just get a slap on the wrist and the chance to sue the government for damages.

I just love these kinds of "pub arguments," where one person tries to form a holy trinity with "ivory tower intellectuals" and "old-school authoritarian mindsets."

Sure, everything was supposedly better when everyone was looking out for the collective good. If we look at the economic and demographic strides this oppressed American population made between 1945 and 1990—even after enduring much more devastating conflicts than what we've seen recently—we can only dream of reaching those milestones again within the next fifteen years, assuming this country even reaches that age.

As for the intangible qualities of our society, there isn't much need for a long lecture. When you compare the level of mutual trust and the depth of social cohesion we enjoyed in the early nineties to where we stand today, the difference is night and day. After nearly three decades of supposed freedom, democracy, and "capitalism," the nation finds itself economically, demographically, and spiritually hollowed out; almost everything is controlled by foreign interests, we are essentially mortgaging the futures of our grandchildren, our sovereignty is being managed by bureaucrats in D.C., and the business climate is toxic. Even our political landscape has shifted from a multi-party system to essentially just a new version of the old guard wearing different masks. Furthermore, the massive wealth gap is creating first-class and second-class citizens in everything from healthcare to education, and we are already seeing this impact hit the second or third generation.

Yes, it is true that you couldn't say whatever you wanted before, which bred insecurity and fear among those who needed to speak out. But isn't it curious that a constant sense of insecurity and fear now plagues ninety percent of the population, as they struggle simply to ensure their own survival in this swamp of a state?

Look, the shift feels way bigger because it was basically swinging out of nothing, and you know that better than anyone 😁—honestly, from an economic standpoint, the whole thing was just a massive joke.

Paul Sanders5 said:Look, the shift feels way bigger because it was basically swinging out of nothing, and you know that better than anyone 😁—honestly, from an economic standpoint, the whole thing was just a massive joke.

So, after nearly half a century of being held captive and watching the American economy be systematically dismantled during the old regime, even the Republicans haven't really moved past whatever baseline they started from. At least, that seems to be their official line.

James Anderson5 said:Exactly. And if we’re talking about party lines, when was the last time someone actually saw a fair hiring process for a major entity like ConEd, a federal agency, or any big state-run corporation—especially one that wasn't just pre-arranged for a specific person?

We could easily be talking about political hit jobs too, if you look at how people like those high-profile news commentators have been handled...

It's the same old story, just different faces. Almost everyone from the old Democratic or Republican establishment back in the day just shifted parties in the 90s, yet they've held onto power for the last 27 years. Now, some of them are attacking historical figures just to dodge the real, dangerous issues. It's like living in a real-life House of Cards...🤣

Back in the mid-twentieth century, government agencies used to hire everyone under the sun, regardless of whether you were a loyal party stalwart or someone deemed politically inconvenient.
How could anyone doubt it?

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We’re out here laughing at North Korea because they’re stuck in the past.

Look, Stalin was a criminal. That's just a fact. People were being killed left and right under his rule. Yeah, murdered. But what's your point? If things were looking up for the elites and the big shots back then, then I guess everyone was doing just fine. 🤣

Jeffrey Morales27 said:Man, they really missed the mark here. If we were talking about street names or town squares, Paul Sanders5, ruggedjackal46, and Peter Thompson4 probably would've been arguing about arbitration or that big corporate restructuring case instead. Guess old-school politics really messed things up for them. 😁

Sure, it’s a distraction in some ways, but if you follow that logic, you basically kill any conversation that isn't about the budget, school reforms, or some legal dispute. It feels a little paranoid to me—kind of like watching CNN when pundits from both parties just spend the whole time accusing each other of dodging the real issues.

Everything seems to be an issue lately—whether it's the debt crisis at companies like ExxonMobil or even just renaming a local street corner. Honestly, I think people find it easier to argue about figures like JFK. It’s such a simple debate: half the country loves him, the other half thinks he was a disaster. You get five reasons to love him and five reasons to hate him, and everyone picks a side and starts shouting. People who actually study history look at the bigger picture, while everyone else just sticks to their gut. But when you start talking about massive corporate bankruptcies or international trade litigation? Most people won't touch that because you actually have to understand economics or global law to have an opinion.

I don't think anyone’s life is going to get better or worse because of what they rename the square, but we should probably just clear the air and move on.

Yeah, this discussion is actually pretty crucial when you look at the whole debate over media freedom versus control here in America... 🤣

It's not really about swaying that small 2-3% of the population that actually thinks things through... it's more about reaching the 30-50% who actually show up to vote...

You should really take a look at how elections are run globally these days. Once you study the modern marketing techniques and the way news headlines are engineered, you'll see it’s not some conspiracy theory... it's just the professional playbook in action. That's simply how the game is played...

Here’s what’s making headlines on the front page of the New York Post today...

Check out the latest headlines over at the New York Times... keeps me updated...

The front page editorial covers seven different pieces about Marshall, but you won't find a single word about Agrokor, let alone anything regarding the Federal Reserve, treasury bills, bankruptcy filings, or the suppliers caught in the fallout... So what's left to actually discuss if all the real issues are just swept under the rug?...

Honestly, when people just don't care enough to stand up for themselves, maybe they just haven't earned it yet...

Honestly, if you get it, you get it... no explanation needed...

goldenseal49 said:Back in the mid-twentieth century, government agencies used to hire everyone under the sun, regardless of whether you were a loyal party stalwart or someone deemed politically inconvenient.
How could anyone doubt it?

During that era, there was a massive surplus of workers in state agencies and bureaucracy, and getting ahead mostly depended on political ties. Is anything really different today? Aside from a few exceptions, the pattern remains the same

But that's exactly the point—the elites haven't changed, just the system shifted from socialism to a mix of wild capitalism and state-driven markets

We really shouldn't have expected anything more than cheap insults and personal attacks, should we?

What’s even the point of arguing with someone who keeps making excuses for a literal monster? Honestly, why bother? When I see that kind of brainwashing in action, I just check out.

loneseal said:What’s even the point of arguing with someone who keeps making excuses for a literal monster? Honestly, why bother? When I see that kind of brainwashing in action, I just check out.

So, was he a villain? Sure. Did people get to go to the beach? Yeah. Was there work? Yep. Was the economy solid? You bet. Could you actually get a house? You could.

I mean, yeah, he killed a bunch of people... but nobody's perfect, right?

Just being sarcastic, so don't take it personally. 🤣

Quick off-topic question—I know most of you probably aren't experts here, but I figured I’d ask anyway. Does anyone have a recommendation for a really good coffee maker? I honestly don't know the first thing about them, so I'm flying blind. Budget isn't an issue; I just want something high-quality. From what I've heard, people aren't exactly raving about those Keurig machines.

I have just one question—is Harmon also a criminal, or are the killings carried out during his administration enough to ensure he can't be "relativized" by any means other than simply labeling him a "criminal"?

Let’s not drift into the waters of WWII and its aftermath (since everyone except for figures like Stalin or Marshall seems to be considered a great statesman and a victor these days, I suppose).

So, Romania finally pulled ahead of the US this year, making them the last ones to join the club. But honestly? It’s night and day. Over there, nobody even debates whether the old communist regime was an absolute disaster for the economy and social stability. Here, though? You've got half the population convinced the "good old days" were peak living. They romanticize how everyone had a job, those three-week summer trips to the coast, building these massive three-story houses, and how everyone just got handed an apartment. For a huge chunk of people, they wouldn't have even bothered working—they'd have been perfectly happy just sitting on the couch doing absolutely nothing, because hey, why bother if the result is the same? 😁 That’s just looking at the economic side of the whole "look what we built back then" argument. As for the social cost and the actual crimes committed? Don't even get me started. Honestly, based on what happened, most of those plazas and streets should have been torn down a long time ago.