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Participants Morgan WilliamsRachel Cooper3Joseph Clark37Keith Patel81darkseal9neonfalcon16urbanhawk17Amanda Evans2bluebison47brightpilot6Patrick MartinJoseph Fisher3steelharbor9Robin Fox2Maria AndersonAnthony Jackson2Jason Newmanruggedjackal46Michelle Palmer6Jeffrey Edwards76Jason Campbell70Anthony Barrett37graniteangler31Dennis Evans6 …
Paul Sanders5 Paul Sanders5 Regular
571 messages
joined Apr 2019
#9121 ·
I mean, back in the day, India was probably the richest prize any European nation ever laid eyes on, but the British played it smart. They didn't try to micromanage everything with a massive standing army or shove their own people into every single job from the top down. Instead, they just picked a handful of local maharajas, decked them out in gear, and bought off the elite 😁 Let’s be real, India is way too massive for any single European power to actually keep under control—the population there has always been bigger than all of Europe combined.

If you want a deep dive, look up the Dutch East India Company. Seriously, they were basically the world's first true multinational corporation, complete with their own private military, and they were richer than most actual countries 😁 Think of them as if Apple, Microsoft, and ExxonMobil had a baby 😁
James Anderson5 James Anderson5 Regular
460 messages
joined Jan 2010
#9122 ·
Justin James10 said:We constantly complain about a lack of foreign investment, yet we keep repeating this tired mantra about "evil exploiters."🙏

Our telecom sector was essentially a bloated, quasi-socialist behemoth that desperately needed privatization—but only after breaking up its monopoly. Instead, what did we do? We clung to our precious family heirlooms.🙏

Historically, colonies were mostly a drain on resources, especially those remote outposts in Africa. There's really just a pervasive myth surrounding the idea of colonial prosperity.

So, what exactly did we actually gain from the privatization of the telecom industry... 🤣 There are some really iconic pieces of infrastructure that the government could still be collecting rent on today...

Those points about the colonies aren't really arguments... they're just observations...

Paul Sanders5 said:I mean, back in the day, India was probably the richest prize any European nation ever laid eyes on, but the British played it smart. They didn't try to micromanage everything with a massive standing army or shove their own people into every single job from the top down. Instead, they just picked a handful of local maharajas, decked them out in gear, and bought off the elite 😁 Let’s be real, India is way too massive for any single European power to actually keep under control—the population there has always been bigger than all of Europe combined.

If you want a deep dive, look up the Dutch East India Company. Seriously, they were basically the world's first true multinational corporation, complete with their own private military, and they were richer than most actual countries 😁 Think of them as if Apple, Microsoft, and ExxonMobil had a baby 😁

It wasn't like the English were geniuses or anything; they just didn't have enough depth to cover all the positions... 🤣A good chunk of those early settlers actually died from various illnesses... When you look at how the East India Company really grew, it was mostly just luck and a lucky streak of events. Most of the guys living out there were either drunk or busy chasing local women, but they didn't bother anyone, so the locals didn't mind—it actually helped their trade business...

Of course I know about the Dutch version, but if you're interested, I’d definitely suggest looking into the French one... hint: it's an even bigger bubble than Bitcoin... 😁
Sandra Johnson58 Sandra Johnson58 Active Member
125 messages
joined Apr 2019
#9123 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:I mean, back in the day, India was probably the richest prize any European nation ever laid eyes on, but the British played it smart. They didn't try to micromanage everything with a massive standing army or shove their own people into every single job from the top down. Instead, they just picked a handful of local maharajas, decked them out in gear, and bought off the elite 😁 Let’s be real, India is way too massive for any single European power to actually keep under control—the population there has always been bigger than all of Europe combined.

If you want a deep dive, look up the Dutch East India Company. Seriously, they were basically the world's first true multinational corporation, complete with their own private military, and they were richer than most actual countries 😁 Think of them as if Apple, Microsoft, and ExxonMobil had a baby 😁

That wasn't even an English invention, honestly. It was more like the Mughals or whoever they were called. They started the whole thing, and the British just copied the playbook. Even the Brits had their own East India Company that worked on the same vibe as the Dutch version.
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9124 ·
There’s been this nasty bit of propaganda circulating about the conquistadors lately. Honestly, aren't we overlooking the fact that these were some of the most monumental undertakings in all of human history? ☕
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#9125 ·
brightpilot6 said:Well, I was just sitting here waiting for the inevitable "ivory tower" argument to surface.

God, these battle-hardened capitalists and seasoned practitioners think they know it all, 🙏🙏 as if they’re all running massive conglomerates in some idealized version of the American Dream.

If you tell them eight times in a row that nobody wants more government interference, they’ll still act shocked the ninth time someone suggests it. One has to wonder if people with that kind of cognitive flexibility are actually in demand in the job market.🙏🙏

By the way, we didn't even officially abolish slavery here in the States until the 19th century.

Between the crypto-scalper restlesssurfer97 and our resident colonial governor Justin James10, 🙏 🙏
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9126 ·
Regarding James Anderson5's take on German colonies:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...FhPl8j3YVlZ6a7

As for the telecom industry? Honestly, shouldn't the priority have been breaking up that monopoly to foster real competition, rather than just selling off the whole thing along with the infrastructure in one giant piece?
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9127 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:Between the crypto-scalper restlesssurfer97 and our resident colonial governor Justin James10, 🙏 🙏

Unshaven Sid and ZZ with the dreadlocks 🙏
William Gomez5 William Gomez5 Active Member
233 messages
joined May 2018
#9128 ·
James Anderson5 said:So, what exactly did we actually gain from the privatization of the telecom industry... 🤣 There are some really iconic pieces of infrastructure that the government could still be collecting rent on today...

Those points about the colonies aren't really arguments... they're just observations...

It wasn't like the English were geniuses or anything; they just didn't have enough depth to cover all the positions... 🤣A good chunk of those early settlers actually died from various illnesses... When you look at how the East India Company really grew, it was mostly just luck and a lucky streak of events. Most of the guys living out there were either drunk or busy chasing local women, but they didn't bother anyone, so the locals didn't mind—it actually helped their trade business...

Of course I know about the Dutch version, but if you're interested, I’d definitely suggest looking into the French one... hint: it's an even bigger bubble than Bitcoin... 😁

Are we talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi_Company?

I remember reading "1,000 Catastrophes," and honestly, John Law is the only name that sticks in my brain from that whole thing. Man, what an absolute epic meltdown. 🙏
Sandra Johnson58 Sandra Johnson58 Active Member
125 messages
joined Apr 2019
#9129 ·
Justin James10 said:Regarding James Anderson5's take on German colonies:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...FhPl8j3YVlZ6a7

As for the telecom industry? Honestly, shouldn't the priority have been breaking up that monopoly to foster real competition, rather than just selling off the whole thing along with the infrastructure in one giant piece?

It’s honestly the same deal as what happened with the banks. They should’ve just sold them off along with their debts, instead of using our tax dollars to bail them out before selling them later. Though, gosh, when you look at how everything else in this country is running lately, maybe it’s probably for the best that they got rid of them.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#9130 ·
Justin James10 said:Unshaven Sid and ZZ with the dreadlocks 🙏


🤣🤣 since I actually saw him perform live, this is just pure genius, I suppose.🤣
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9131 ·
Sandra Johnson58 said:It’s honestly the same deal as what happened with the banks. They should’ve just sold them off along with their debts, instead of using our tax dollars to bail them out before selling them later. Though, gosh, when you look at how everything else in this country is running lately, maybe it’s probably for the best that they got rid of them.

I completely agree that it should have happened that way. But wasn't the whole point to protect our own family silver? 🙂
Justin James10 Justin James10 Regular
440 messages
joined Oct 2017
#9132 ·
bluebison47 said:🤣🤣 since I actually saw him perform live, this is just pure genius, I suppose.🤣

There really are so many of them, 🤣 🤔
Jack Miller6 Jack Miller6 Member
17 messages
joined Mar 2017
#9133 ·
Anthony Jackson2 said:Privatization isn't some magic bullet—it’s not penicillin, and it won't fix society overnight. Look at the private colleges here in the States—can you name one that actually holds its own against a major state university? Not a single one. They all just focus on making it easy to pass—leaking exam questions and lowering standards to turn a profit. But hey, as long as they're private, I guess it's a win. 🙏

Comparing State Tech to Ivy League is like comparing an old black-and-white TV to a color one.
I guess we could get into whether the first one attracts a different crowd and how much people actually learn there, but that’s probably a whole different conversation.
Jason Kern49 Jason Kern49 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2021
#9134 ·
Paul Sanders5 said:I used to think this whole crowd blaming "white privilege" was basically just some weird 4chan meme, but man, there are actual generations growing up over here in the States fully convinced it's real. 😁

It’s gonna be one hell of a show when they grow up and finally run headfirst into the new global power players—the Asians. 😁

Who’s actually out there blaming white privilege? From what I can see, whether it’s guys from 4chan, the alt-right, or just regular Americans, nobody is blaming white privilege; they’re just pointing out that it doesn't exist. Because frankly—it doesn't.

The only people living in a fantasy land are these high-society leftists who will swallow absolutely any garbage fed to them. And then, once some entitled white feminist gets targeted by a "refugees welcome" scheme, or gets victimized by someone coming in from Sub-Saharan Africa or Afghanistan, people will act shocked when someone finally tells her the truth—that she brought it on herself. Go ahead, hit me.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#9135 ·
Justin James10 said:There really are so many of them, 🤣 🤔


I really don't see the point in me typing anything else; if he actually wants to respond, he can just do it himself, I guess. 🙂
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
191 messages
joined Jul 2018
#9136 ·
Jack Miller6 said:Comparing State Tech to Ivy League is like comparing an old black-and-white TV to a color one.
I guess we could get into whether the first one attracts a different crowd and how much people actually learn there, but that’s probably a whole different conversation.

Not quite yet, though all the signs point toward it happening soon. It’s especially likely because their students tend to get a hands-on look at what corporate finance and auditing actually require much earlier in their careers.
I suspect some Americans will always be quick to criticize a private university, but I've met a couple of graduates from UPenn who were so operationally sharp they could handle entire segments of a project on their own, and everyone else tends to catch up pretty quickly.
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
87 messages
joined Mar 2018
#9137 ·
Jason Kern49 said:Who’s actually out there blaming white privilege? From what I can see, whether it’s guys from 4chan, the alt-right, or just regular Americans, nobody is blaming white privilege; they’re just pointing out that it doesn't exist. Because frankly—it doesn't.

The only people living in a fantasy land are these high-society leftists who will swallow absolutely any garbage fed to them. And then, once some entitled white feminist gets targeted by a "refugees welcome" scheme, or gets victimized by someone coming in from Sub-Saharan Africa or Afghanistan, people will act shocked when someone finally tells her the truth—that she brought it on herself. Go ahead, hit me.

The problem right now is that the media landscape is way too skewed to the left. You want the perfect example? Just look at this whole circus surrounding Cambridge Analytica and Trump. Everyone is losing their minds over it, but if you go back ten years, everyone was practically worshiping Obama for doing the exact same thing. He leveraged big data and high-level analytics to win—back then, the conservatives just complained that the Democrats had outmaneuvered them strategically. Now, Trump pours a massive amount of money into those same tactics, and suddenly he’s the villain stealing data. It’s the same playbook; the players just changed.🙏🙏It isn't just about what the news outlets are reporting—it’s about how that media influence actually guts platforms like Facebook. They lost a massive chunk of their market cap in a single day because of it. People tend to follow the herd, and honestly, the most effective way to control a crowd these days is through the media. It’s become incredibly easy to profile users and feed them exactly what they want to hear while keeping everything else quiet. Look, Trump might be an idiot, but that’s not really the point here.

People love to trash the current system these days—and honestly, I get it—but let’s be real: the framework we have in most developed nations right now is still the best one we've ever managed to put together. That said, if anyone actually believes we have true freedom of speech today, especially in the media, they’re dead wrong. In a dictatorship, sure, the news outlets just follow whatever orders the ruling party hands down. But in a free society, the theory is that everyone should be reporting the truth. The problem is that "truth" isn't exactly served up on a silver platter. Instead, you're fed a constant stream of one-sided perspectives from a specific ideological bubble—mostly on the left—which shapes your worldview before you even realize it. And today? They have the most sophisticated technology imaginable—basically a high-tech weapon—designed specifically to feed you exactly what they want you to hear until you eventually just nod along.

The logic behind free speech is fundamentally broken if you try to balance it by giving every minority group total license to do whatever they want. It’s a contradiction. If you start placing restrictions on people just because their words might offend someone, you aren't actually protecting expression—you're effectively shielding the very people whose freedom of speech forms the foundation of this entire system.

If you’re under the impression that what we have here is actual democracy, you’re mistaken. Real democracy exists in Switzerland—not here in the States. What we’re dealing with in America is really just another incremental step toward a democratic system, nothing more. Think about the progression: you had monarchies where one person ruled indefinitely based purely on bloodlines. Then you had totalitarian regimes where a small group held absolute power for an unlimited time, all driven by ideology. Now, we’ve moved to a stage where a group leads with a single head of state, but for a limited term. Some might argue we’ve simply shortened the duration of a one-party dictatorship, but the distinction is that the people actually get a say in who they want. Of course, "the people" are essentially choosing from whatever is served to them—a menu of empty promises that politicians have zero intention of actually keeping. True direct democracy—the kind they practice in Switzerland—is the only real deal. It’s a system where citizens head to the polls for referendums on every major issue and law. If the public decides they hate a specific law, they can vote it down. That creates the only legitimate check on power: the government doesn't get to do whatever it wants because the people hold the ultimate control.

Naturally, the big question is how this would actually play out in other places—like here in America. Is the public actually self-aware enough to vote for the long-term good of the country rather than just what lines their own pockets? And can the media truly stay independent, or will they just spin the narrative to push people toward a specific vote before a referendum even happens? In my opinion, the answer is no—and we’re nowhere near being ready for that level of maturity. I'm just saying, you don't really have a true democracy, or actual power in the hands of the people, without a system like this in place. Anything else is just a facade—you're basically just picking which group gets to rule over you for a set term.
ruggedjackal46 ruggedjackal46 Regular
775 messages
joined May 2007
#9138 ·
Justin James10 said:Unshaven Sid and ZZ with the dreadlocks 🙏

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shadowmarlin22 said:The problem right now is that the media landscape is way too skewed to the left. You want the perfect example? Just look at this whole circus surrounding Cambridge Analytica and Trump. Everyone is losing their minds over it, but if you go back ten years, everyone was practically worshiping Obama for doing the exact same thing. He leveraged big data and high-level analytics to win—back then, the conservatives just complained that the Democrats had outmaneuvered them strategically. Now, Trump pours a massive amount of money into those same tactics, and suddenly he’s the villain stealing data. It’s the same playbook; the players just changed.🙏🙏It isn't just about what the news outlets are reporting—it’s about how that media influence actually guts platforms like Facebook. They lost a massive chunk of their market cap in a single day because of it. People tend to follow the herd, and honestly, the most effective way to control a crowd these days is through the media. It’s become incredibly easy to profile users and feed them exactly what they want to hear while keeping everything else quiet. Look, Trump might be an idiot, but that’s not really the point here.

People love to trash the current system these days—and honestly, I get it—but let’s be real: the framework we have in most developed nations right now is still the best one we've ever managed to put together. That said, if anyone actually believes we have true freedom of speech today, especially in the media, they’re dead wrong. In a dictatorship, sure, the news outlets just follow whatever orders the ruling party hands down. But in a free society, the theory is that everyone should be reporting the truth. The problem is that "truth" isn't exactly served up on a silver platter. Instead, you're fed a constant stream of one-sided perspectives from a specific ideological bubble—mostly on the left—which shapes your worldview before you even realize it. And today? They have the most sophisticated technology imaginable—basically a high-tech weapon—designed specifically to feed you exactly what they want you to hear until you eventually just nod along.

The logic behind free speech is fundamentally broken if you try to balance it by giving every minority group total license to do whatever they want. It’s a contradiction. If you start placing restrictions on people just because their words might offend someone, you aren't actually protecting expression—you're effectively shielding the very people whose freedom of speech forms the foundation of this entire system.

If you’re under the impression that what we have here is actual democracy, you’re mistaken. Real democracy exists in Switzerland—not here in the States. What we’re dealing with in America is really just another incremental step toward a democratic system, nothing more. Think about the progression: you had monarchies where one person ruled indefinitely based purely on bloodlines. Then you had totalitarian regimes where a small group held absolute power for an unlimited time, all driven by ideology. Now, we’ve moved to a stage where a group leads with a single head of state, but for a limited term. Some might argue we’ve simply shortened the duration of a one-party dictatorship, but the distinction is that the people actually get a say in who they want. Of course, "the people" are essentially choosing from whatever is served to them—a menu of empty promises that politicians have zero intention of actually keeping. True direct democracy—the kind they practice in Switzerland—is the only real deal. It’s a system where citizens head to the polls for referendums on every major issue and law. If the public decides they hate a specific law, they can vote it down. That creates the only legitimate check on power: the government doesn't get to do whatever it wants because the people hold the ultimate control.

Naturally, the big question is how this would actually play out in other places—like here in America. Is the public actually self-aware enough to vote for the long-term good of the country rather than just what lines their own pockets? And can the media truly stay independent, or will they just spin the narrative to push people toward a specific vote before a referendum even happens? In my opinion, the answer is no—and we’re nowhere near being ready for that level of maturity. I'm just saying, you don't really have a true democracy, or actual power in the hands of the people, without a system like this in place. Anything else is just a facade—you're basically just picking which group gets to rule over you for a set term.

Are you talking about America?
shadowmarlin22 shadowmarlin22 Active Member
87 messages
joined Mar 2018
#9139 ·
American news outlets covering global affairs are basically just glorified copy-paste machines for foreign agencies.

It’s the same story with our political scene—there isn't any real left versus right divide. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats actually represent those ideologies. They're essentially two sides of the same coin, except one side just happens to talk about faith and prayer a bit more often. Our parties don't have any real backbone or ideology driving them—they just do whatever it takes to stay in power and get their hands on the federal budget so they can play around with it.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
1.2K messages
joined May 2004
#9140 ·
ruggedjackal46 said:Between the crypto-scalper restlesssurfer97 and our resident colonial governor Justin James10, 🙏 🙏

Basically a government lawyer over at the IRS and an archival supervisor for the Department of Mineral Research and Wasting Time, SS.

Am I even in the ballpark here? Since I honestly have zero clue what you guys actually do for a living 🤣

btw, just drop the Alan Ford-style office name, even if it fits your profile perfectly 🤣

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