Offside Chat Archives (2014-2021)

The premiers in various German states are probably just more Bozinovics, and you see the same thing in France and pretty much any other country that went full lockdown mode with their own versions of Bozinovic. They all need to be dragged before the courts and slapped with minimum penalties from $5.00 just to get this whole mess under control.

Right now in Bavaria, you can go to work or hit the grocery store without anyone giving a damn about "pruning fruit trees" or anything else... it’s not even on their radar. I’m telling you again, it’s that classic North American mentality—suddenly everyone needs to travel everywhere, when until recently their entire existence was just "work-home-TV," and now everyone’s out there pruning orchards or feeding livestock. It’s not even an issue, really; you just write to the local authorities saying you have animals at a certain location that need feeding, and boom, you've got your permit.

People love pointing fingers at police state conspiracies and the repressive machinery of government, but those same people would have been the first to whine about incompetence or cowardice if nothing had been done, citing Italy as the ultimate example of why we needed lockdowns. Honestly, I think some of the same forum users who are currently attacking Bozinovic were the ones earlier calling Italy a textbook case of total failure, but I don't feel like digging through the archives right now.

If anyone tries to break self-isolation and come crawling back, I'd personally love to take them out with a heavy-duty stapler...

I guess now we'll just have to wait for Anthony Jackson2 and Papi to explain why these numbers are somehow wrong...

Paul Martinez73 said:And if you don't trust the world's leading virologist, here’s a little visual breakdown—maybe this will be easier for you to wrap your head around...

Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

Noah Perez2 said:Precisely. Because surely, people like you will be the ones consulted regarding which restrictions are implemented and what you choose to tolerate.
A few thousand casualties are nothing; they're just numbers on a spreadsheet.

It is fascinating how, in every single retention period, that standard percentage of sociopaths and psychopaths present in any society—even the most modern one—always manages to surface.

There is no need to comment on the rest of the post; it appears our benevolent user Ster has already handed out a few decent slaps.☕

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

ruggedjackal46 said:Everyone seems perfectly fine with a few thousand people dying, as long as those people aren't us, our families, or our friends. 🙄

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

ironpanther5 said:Honestly, the real headache here is that this virus seems specifically designed to make a huge chunk of the population dependent on ventilators just to hang on. They might survive, sure, but the massive issue is that we simply don't have enough respirators or medical staff to go around. In plain English, we’d likely see quite a few young people passing away simply because they couldn't get a timely response from the healthcare system.

They always tell you that during flu season, everyone is bumping into the virus, but some people just don't catch it because they have better immunity, they got their shots, or they're just naturally tougher—but it feels like absolutely nothing is working for us here.

I’m not entirely sure about the younger generation. While the older folks seem on board, the kids don't really seem to care for what's being presented to them. Anyway, here's some data I found from Italy.



It’s honestly a bit depressing when you think about how many people were sent into isolation without any actual testing or official confirmation. I mean, do we even know how many there are, or where they're being held? There just isn't any real statistics to back this up.

So, if you've got 5% critical, 20% serious, and 70% of people over fifty... I can't help but wonder how many young people actually made it through that crowd.🤔

Kyle Lopez2 said:Honestly, if you're really that obsessed with Wuhan, maybe you should just focus on Italy instead. They’ve got a 9% infection rate spreading through hospitals filled with the most vulnerable people—folks who probably wouldn't have lasted much longer anyway.🙏
Why didn't you pull the mortality data for Korea, Japan, or China outside of the Wuhan area?🤔 Man, I don't know what to tell you—your data just doesn't seem to line up.

We're just cherry-picking bits and pieces now, aren't we? It’s getting a little ridiculous.☕ Why on earth would you think anyone’s asking me anything, or that I’m under some kind of delusion thinking I actually *should* be asked?🤔 Is talking about politics officially banned now by some kind of commissar's decree?

If you're going to label me a sociopath, then fine—I’ll call you an emotional wreck right back, mostly because that seems to be how your mind works.

If I’m reading this right and they expect these quarantine measures to stay in place for five or six months just to build up herd immunity, then I don't exactly need a PhD to figure out that I'll be completely broke by then. What happens after that? I'll be stuck choosing between taking out a loan equal to the entire GDP or just driving around a few times to stay warm once fall and winter finally roll around.☕ I’m actually looking forward to seeing interest rates climb by a few points.

If you really want to wage a full-scale war against a crisis, go ahead—you’ll just be staring down a mountain of medical supplies where a single vial costs more than a used car, leaving you to fight tooth and nail for every single life. Personally, I try to be a bit more selective about which battles I pick.

What exactly makes you think I’d stand in the way of saving a family member's life? You seem to think I’m oblivious to the fact that my own people could be at risk too. Am I supposed to just shift my political stance out of fear—like claiming I'm "well-connected" just so I can secure a cushy job—when the reality is we already have plenty of hardworking people doing the work? 🤷 I'm sure you wouldn't want to leave your own kids out on the streets facing those kinds of fatal risks. 🤷

Dr. DarkRaven, do you just have a crystal ball that tells you exactly when someone's time is up?
I have someone in my own family dealing with a serious illness right now; they've already fought through two nasty bouts of the flu and their strength is basically gone. If this whole mess hits them and they pass away, would you just shrug and say, "Well, they were going to die soon regardless" or "They would have died from the flu anyway"?

God, you look ridiculous trying so hard to justify your takes just so you can play judge and jury over whether someone is ready to go. If someone is sitting in a hospital bed, they're pretty much ready to die regardless. 🙏

And while we're at it, let's settle this: are there really this many victims and full hospitals because everyone is getting tested, or is the death rate so high simply because only the critical cases make it into the official stats while most people just recover at home?

We should probably apply that same logic to the mortality rate of the flu, too. Is every single case of the flu being tracked? If we’re looking at a 2% mortality rate here versus 0.01% for the flu, and you try to argue the number is ten times lower just because most people recovered at home without hitting the statistics, then we have to apply that exact same reasoning to the flu.

If the Coronavirus doesn't get us first, starvation might just do the trick. An economic collapse feels inevitable at this point; I guess it's just a matter of days before it hits us.

When are we actually going to start communicating sense instead of this absolute nonsense?

The countries that are actually winning this fight against the Coronavirus are telling everyone to wear masks and they’re running massive testing operations everywhere, meanwhile here, they barely tested 2,000 people and then have the nerve to send out messages claiming masks don't even matter.
(And please, don't come at me talking about how it's just cotton masks, because the article mentions surgical ones too, and besides, how is anyone supposed to even know they're sick if they aren't being tested before the symptoms even hit?)

Are we really trying to act like we're the smartest people in the room again?

So apparently healthy people don't need to wear masks? But those exact same healthy people are the ones facing movement restrictions and lockdowns. Who is actually being crazy here?

I mean, isn't it just basic logic that if absolutely everyone wore a mask, the contagiousness would drop by at least some significant percentage?
But no, we can't use that reasoning because apparently the sick person shouldn't know they're sick, and because wearing two masks—one on the sick person and one on the healthy person—is somehow better than any mask at all, or because wearing a mask means you're less likely to accidentally rub the virus into your mouth or nose with your hands, and so on and so forth.

We don't even need to bring "common sense" into the conversation, just look at the places that are actually handling this successfully. Over there, everybody wears masks. And they are doing massive testing.

Nancy Sanchez31 said:If the Coronavirus doesn't get us first, starvation might just do the trick. An economic collapse feels inevitable at this point; I guess it's just a matter of days before it hits us.

Hoce.
But it shouldn't have to come to that.
What if the government paid people directly during the quarantine instead of subsidizing employers? What if they simply froze all taxes and levies for both businesses and workers?
What if state-run services were provided free of charge for a while?

Then, once this passes, we return to business as usual.

Sure, the government would have to take on debt. Likely at poor rates, too.

But if there was enough money for massive stadiums, for General Motors bailouts, for handball arenas, or for useless vanity projects, then there has to be money for this.

As things stand now, half these businesses are going to fold, and we're looking at a total economic meltdown.

Are these entrepreneurship posts just total nonsense, or did the Coronavirus actually fry his brain?

William Kim said:Once the city starts footing the bill for the reconstruction, you can bet your life the price tag is going to skyrocket.😁

I honestly can't wrap my head around where the funding is supposed to come from. We don't even have enough left over to handle the minor touch-ups and cosmetic fixes, let alone the actual heavy lifting—like the massive task of reconstructing the buildings themselves.

restlesssurfer97 said:When are we actually going to start communicating sense instead of this absolute nonsense?

The countries that are actually winning this fight against the Coronavirus are telling everyone to wear masks and they’re running massive testing operations everywhere, meanwhile here, they barely tested 2,000 people and then have the nerve to send out messages claiming masks don't even matter.
(And please, don't come at me talking about how it's just cotton masks, because the article mentions surgical ones too, and besides, how is anyone supposed to even know they're sick if they aren't being tested before the symptoms even hit?)

Are we really trying to act like we're the smartest people in the room again?

So apparently healthy people don't need to wear masks? But those exact same healthy people are the ones facing movement restrictions and lockdowns. Who is actually being crazy here?

I mean, isn't it just basic logic that if absolutely everyone wore a mask, the contagiousness would drop by at least some significant percentage?
But no, we can't use that reasoning because apparently the sick person shouldn't know they're sick, and because wearing two masks—one on the sick person and one on the healthy person—is somehow better than any mask at all, or because wearing a mask means you're less likely to accidentally rub the virus into your mouth or nose with your hands, and so on and so forth.

We don't even need to bring "common sense" into the conversation, just look at the places that are actually handling this successfully. Over there, everybody wears masks. And they are doing massive testing.

Lies.

restlesssurfer97 said:Are these entrepreneurship posts just total nonsense, or did the Coronavirus actually fry his brain?

Look, when we're facing a crisis of this magnitude, we have to stick together. That means standing by everyone, even those among us who are completely corrupt.

So, what even counts as a lie?

Matthew Young35 said:Look, when we're facing a crisis of this magnitude, we have to stick together. That means standing by everyone, even those among us who are completely corrupt.

Just go ahead and defend your own skin then, since you finally realized exactly who's signing your paychecks.😂😂

restlesssurfer97 said:So, what even counts as a lie?

From the get-go, the claim has been that successful countries are the ones forcing everyone to wear masks. In reality, nobody is actually doing that—well, maybe in China. Most places are just suggesting you wear one if you're sick or if you're hanging out with someone who is.

And let's not even get started on how most people wearing them aren't even doing it right...

Paul Martinez73 said:From the get-go, the claim has been that successful countries are the ones forcing everyone to wear masks. In reality, nobody is actually doing that—well, maybe in China. Most places are just suggesting you wear one if you're sick or if you're hanging out with someone who is.

And let's not even get started on how most people wearing them aren't even doing it right...

🤣🤣🤣

Fair enough.

restlesssurfer97 said:Just go ahead and defend your own skin then, since you finally realized exactly who's signing your paychecks.😂😂

I am under no illusions about who pays my wages.

And if I'm looking out for my own interests? Of course I am. Everyone should be.
Except, naturally, for those working in the public sector. They never have to worry about that, do they?

Around here, officials are wearing masks half the time and skipping them the other half.
Some cynical people might try to claim they’re ditching them just because there’s a shortage, thinking it’s a way to dodge public backlash against the government structures that demand huge sacrifices from everyday Americans while failing to provide even the most basic necessities. But honestly, those people are just being bitter.

The local politicians and Unknown are having these intense one-on-one chats, standing just two meters apart with their masks on. Total idiots.

restlesssurfer97 said:Around here, officials are wearing masks half the time and skipping them the other half.
Some cynical people might try to claim they’re ditching them just because there’s a shortage, thinking it’s a way to dodge public backlash against the government structures that demand huge sacrifices from everyday Americans while failing to provide even the most basic necessities. But honestly, those people are just being bitter.

The local politicians and Unknown are having these intense one-on-one chats, standing just two meters apart with their masks on. Total idiots.

Instead of facing it head-on, you're just getting screwed in the rear...

Paul Martinez73 said:Instead of facing it head-on, you're just getting screwed in the rear...

it seems ☕