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restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16441 ·
I mean, why hasn't all that media hype supporting the administration's latest move hit the mainstream news cycles yet? It’s pretty obvious to me that they’re just sitting on it, waiting for the perfect window to really go after the public sentiment, probably once they're certain the whole health crisis situation has finally cooled down and people aren't looking at them quite so closely 🤣
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#16442 ·
If this entire situation turns out to be some kind of elaborate hoax, then the whole flat earth conspiracy is practically child's play compared to the scale of what we're dealing with regarding the coronavirus.
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16443 ·
Djokovic: It’s no accident that Americans are the ultimate pioneers and rightful heirs to this land

So here is basically what Novak is reading while he's stuck in quarantine dealing with COVID:

Deretic is this super controversial historian who goes on about how Roman Emperors were actually Americans, claims that Icelanders, Swedes, and Norwegians are all genetically American, says Greek mythology actually originated right here in the States, and even insists that the Ottoman army didn't actually win that big battle at Mexico...

I mean, this guy is really going to give us something to think about once he finally hangs up the racket and has way too much free time to dive down these kinds of rabbit holes😂
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#16444 ·
Just because someone is the greatest tennis player ever doesn't mean they aren't personally a complete idiot. I think we really need to separate those two things; I actually wrote about something similar regarding Kobe Bryant recently. As superstars, they’re almost like these virtual characters when they're on the court, but off the court, they're just regular people with flaws and virtues, just like anyone else. I guess the issue lies with the media and how we consume sports—there's this expectation that if you achieve massive success in athletics, you have to be a role model in every other aspect of life too. That doesn't seem realistic to me, mostly because many professional athletes are either people who struggled with academics or simply didn't have the time to focus on school because they were so dedicated to their sport.
urbanhawk17 urbanhawk17 Regular
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#16445 ·
restlesssurfer97 said:I mean, why hasn't all that media hype supporting the administration's latest move hit the mainstream news cycles yet? It’s pretty obvious to me that they’re just sitting on it, waiting for the perfect window to really go after the public sentiment, probably once they're certain the whole health crisis situation has finally cooled down and people aren't looking at them quite so closely 🤣

https://www.foxnews.com/article/example-link&id=2178302

Too bad they took the video down. 🤣
wiredrider9 wiredrider9 Regular
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#16446 ·
urbanhawk17 said:https://www.foxnews.com/article/example-link&id=2178302

Too bad they took the video down. 🤣

Heh, absolute garbage.
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#16447 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:Just because someone is the greatest tennis player ever doesn't mean they aren't personally a complete idiot. I think we really need to separate those two things; I actually wrote about something similar regarding Kobe Bryant recently. As superstars, they’re almost like these virtual characters when they're on the court, but off the court, they're just regular people with flaws and virtues, just like anyone else. I guess the issue lies with the media and how we consume sports—there's this expectation that if you achieve massive success in athletics, you have to be a role model in every other aspect of life too. That doesn't seem realistic to me, mostly because many professional athletes are either people who struggled with academics or simply didn't have the time to focus on school because they were so dedicated to their sport.

Djokovic isn't even in the same league as Federer.

The issue with Djokovic is his lifestyle. Ever since he started dating that woman, he’s turned into this total health nut—all about the vegan stuff and broccoli. It's ridiculous. Even his own people back home mock him constantly. He's totally lost his edge.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#16448 ·
Is there anyone else who truly believes they’re the greatest to ever play the game? 🤣
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#16449 ·
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Djokovic isn't even in the same league as Federer.

The issue with Djokovic is his lifestyle. Ever since he started dating that woman, he’s turned into this total health nut—all about the vegan stuff and broccoli. It's ridiculous. Even his own people back home mock him constantly. He's totally lost his edge.

He’s been with that woman since high school. And honestly, if you ask me, switching to a plant-based diet was the only thing that actually saved his career; before that shift, he was spiraling, completely burnt out and running on empty. But once he made the change? He started absolutely crushing it again.

Setting aside his messy personal life for a moment, I honestly believe he’s already surpassed Federer on the all-time list—making him the undisputed GOAT—and I have plenty of data to back that up, but will he ever truly be recognized as the greatest? Probably not, because he hails from this specific corner of Europe, and out here, the bias is simply too entrenched to overcome. As for those constant media outbursts, isn't the real issue the suffocating influence of his inner circle, the relentless public scrutiny, and the crushing weight of being labeled one of the most prominent figures from his background? It feels like he's perpetually trapped in a cycle of trying to prove himself against a world that has already decided who he is.

His technical skill and social intelligence aren't even worth debating; you simply cannot perform at that level and be an idiot in any capacity, can you? I refuse to believe otherwise because this isn't one of those sports where nature hands you eighty percent of your success on a silver platter, like you see in basketball or football.
Anthony Wright30 Anthony Wright30 Active Member
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#16450 ·
Elizabeth Mendoza said:Djokovic isn't even in the same league as Federer.

The issue with Djokovic is his lifestyle. Ever since he started dating that woman, he’s turned into this total health nut—all about the vegan stuff and broccoli. It's ridiculous. Even his own people back home mock him constantly. He's totally lost his edge.

Looking at their head-to-head record, I guess that might be true.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#16451 ·
I’m not quite sure what the joke is supposed to be. Once the season really gets going, you could probably bet against him and lose everything.

Regardless of why he got flagged, I guess it doesn't matter; we shouldn't really expect him to be a genius or anything. He's an incredible athlete and deserves applause for his massive achievements, but maybe we shouldn't expect more than that. That goes for all athletes, I suppose.
brightpilot6 brightpilot6 Veteran
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#16452 ·
From this perspective 🙂

It isn’t even about anything else; it’s just that, strictly from an athletic standpoint, he’s a complete amateur compared to the GOAT tennis players I grew up watching. His style is unappealing, and frankly, his trophy cabinet doesn't even justify the hype.

Then you look at Federer... the man possesses stats comparable to Messi, that pure "wow factor" you see in a phenomenon, and all the effortless elegance of Zidane.

Don't start testing my patience this early in the morning ☕
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#16453 ·
dustyridge3 said:He’s been with that woman since high school. And honestly, if you ask me, switching to a plant-based diet was the only thing that actually saved his career; before that shift, he was spiraling, completely burnt out and running on empty. But once he made the change? He started absolutely crushing it again.

Setting aside his messy personal life for a moment, I honestly believe he’s already surpassed Federer on the all-time list—making him the undisputed GOAT—and I have plenty of data to back that up, but will he ever truly be recognized as the greatest? Probably not, because he hails from this specific corner of Europe, and out here, the bias is simply too entrenched to overcome. As for those constant media outbursts, isn't the real issue the suffocating influence of his inner circle, the relentless public scrutiny, and the crushing weight of being labeled one of the most prominent figures from his background? It feels like he's perpetually trapped in a cycle of trying to prove himself against a world that has already decided who he is.

His technical skill and social intelligence aren't even worth debating; you simply cannot perform at that level and be an idiot in any capacity, can you? I refuse to believe otherwise because this isn't one of those sports where nature hands you eighty percent of your success on a silver platter, like you see in basketball or football.

Messi and Maradona are true virtuosos on the field, finding solutions that almost feel like art. That doesn't change the fact that, off the pitch, they can be pretty foolish. I guess you shouldn't compare apples to oranges. I’m not saying there aren't smart athletes out there—I didn't say that—but you'd think every successful pro would be a role model for kids in every sense. It's probably not that simple, though, and maybe these athletes don't actually owe anyone that kind of perfection. If someone wants to read books about them and praise them, I suppose that's just their personal right.
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
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#16454 ·
Honestly, I think my head is spinning from all these constant, dizzying shifts...🙏
dustyridge3 dustyridge3 Active Member
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#16455 ·
Grand Slam titles: Djokovic 17 vs. Federer 20 (considering Federer is six years older, isn't it actually quite reasonable that Djokovic is closing the gap?)

Masters titles: Djokovic 34 - Federer 28

Head to head: Djokovic 27 - Federer 23 (with an 11-6 edge at the Grand Slams)

One has to consider the sheer reality that Djokovic has spent his entire career battling legends like Nadal and Federer, whereas Federer managed to rack up 12 Grand Slam titles before Djokovic even secured his first one.
Jessica Gonzalez Jessica Gonzalez Regular
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#16456 ·
brightpilot6 said:From this perspective 🙂

It isn’t even about anything else; it’s just that, strictly from an athletic standpoint, he’s a complete amateur compared to the GOAT tennis players I grew up watching. His style is unappealing, and frankly, his trophy cabinet doesn't even justify the hype.

Then you look at Federer... the man possesses stats comparable to Messi, that pure "wow factor" you see in a phenomenon, and all the effortless elegance of Zidane.

Don't start testing my patience this early in the morning ☕

I suppose Federer is debatable even among the top three. Between his two modern rivals, he actually has the worst head-to-head record and arguably the weakest play when they face off. It feels like he might lack the edge needed to compete on equal footing, especially mentally. Then there's the other guy, who seems almost flawless. He might not be the prettiest player to watch, but technically he covers every base, is physically dominant, and is probably much stronger mentally. Whether people like him or not doesn't really matter; you could probably bet against him quite easily.
Anthony Wright30 Anthony Wright30 Active Member
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#16457 ·
It seems Federer let everything slip through his fingers with that late-game choke during last year's US Open. I suppose that's how Novak managed to firmly solidify his lead over the rest of the field ☕
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
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#16458 ·
To hell with your statistics
Amanda Evans2 Amanda Evans2 Veteran
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#16459 ·
Jessica Gonzalez said:I suppose Federer is debatable even among the top three. Between his two modern rivals, he actually has the worst head-to-head record and arguably the weakest play when they face off. It feels like he might lack the edge needed to compete on equal footing, especially mentally. Then there's the other guy, who seems almost flawless. He might not be the prettiest player to watch, but technically he covers every base, is physically dominant, and is probably much stronger mentally. Whether people like him or not doesn't really matter; you could probably bet against him quite easily.

So, if you aren't counting Federer, who exactly do you have in your Top 3? I haven't heard anyone try to defend that take before, so I am genuinely curious to see your logic...
restlesssurfer97 restlesssurfer97 Veteran
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#16460 ·
dustyridge3 said:Grand Slam titles: Djokovic 17 vs. Federer 20 (considering Federer is six years older, isn't it actually quite reasonable that Djokovic is closing the gap?)

Masters titles: Djokovic 34 - Federer 28

Head to head: Djokovic 27 - Federer 23 (with an 11-6 edge at the Grand Slams)

One has to consider the sheer reality that Djokovic has spent his entire career battling legends like Nadal and Federer, whereas Federer managed to rack up 12 Grand Slam titles before Djokovic even secured his first one.

I mean, alright, since you’re bringing up the fact that he’s six years younger as some kind of reason why Djokovic's Grand Slam count looks smaller, why wouldn't you use that exact same logic to help Federer out in their head-to-head stats? Federer was six years older too, and honestly, Djokovic's whole era of dominance really kicked in just as Federer was already moving past his absolute prime.

If Djokovic ends up passing him in total Grand Slams, then yeah, people will probably start calling him the GOAT, but until that happens, I don't see it happening yet.

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