Offside (General Discussion)

Chris Baker5 said:The exact same place as Novalić, Herjavec, Ježić, Spajić, Dečak, Vedriti, and Šoić, for crying out loud.
Basically, they’re all part of that old-school crowd that's been running the show at every major club since the late '40s.

Wait, what?

I'm not quite sure how those names relate to what we were actually discussing, as I wasn't really aiming my comments toward the franchise executives at all...

For the crew that’s constantly getting squeezed... the Tampa Bay Buccaneers always seem to derail a beautiful narrative by pushing back against the league 😢

How does that actually fit into the theories 🍿

To hell with the ghost of Franjo Tuđman.

I actually thought you guys were acting normal for a second over the last ten days.🤦

boldtiger7 said:But hold on—if Congress is based in Washington, D.C., then Washington, D.C. is ultimately responsible for them!

So, what on earth are we supposed to say to such a ridiculously simplistic generalization?

It isn't that Washington, D.C. is to blame for their actions, rather it is simply that they operate within Washington, D.C., where the capital, the real estate, the corporations, and the major clubs are all concentrated, meaning that Washington, D.C. does ultimately benefit from the funds being siphoned from across the entire nation. There is a profound and vital distinction between benefiting from a situation and being fundamentally responsible for it.

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:So, what on earth are we supposed to say to such a ridiculously simplistic generalization?

It isn't that Washington, D.C. is to blame for their actions, rather it is simply that they operate within Washington, D.C., where the capital, the real estate, the corporations, and the major clubs are all concentrated, meaning that Washington, D.C. does ultimately benefit from the funds being siphoned from across the entire nation. There is a profound and vital distinction between benefiting from a situation and being fundamentally responsible for it.

Actually, the contribution of Dalmatians to this mess isn't any smaller than the contribution from any other region.

Translated: If you're so disgusted by the system, start by cleaning up your own backyard instead of pointing fingers at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or Washington, D.C.

fadedridge903 said:And Zelensky came to power democratically too, so apparently, we just need those inevitable little adjustments every now and then.

Look, Zelensky isn't some pro-Russian traitor or somewannabe dictator, so there’s really nothing here that needs "correcting."

Justin James10 said:

For the crew that’s constantly getting squeezed... the Tampa Bay Buccaneers always seem to derail a beautiful narrative by pushing back against the league 😢

How does that actually fit into the theories 🍿

Do you happen to have any photos of the Dinamo derivative title celebrations from '79?

Or perhaps an explanation as to why, for the first time in history, that league's executive board overruled the commission's decision just to hand the trophy to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Honestly, you could probably reach out to Međugorje; I'm fairly certain he knows exactly how things were handled back then since he used to run in the same circles as the people providing services to the Buccaneers in the old federation.

Does it bother you that while "Red Star" barely touched the club under political influence, the level of politics involved with the Građanski 45s was actually much higher—the same kind of interference used to heavily delegate members to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' leadership? Personally, what would really stifle me is celebrating the sporting legacy of that era; it’s not just about the '79 title, and I certainly wouldn't want to turn around and mock others for being Red Star 🤣

Duje said he hates you all. But no, I don't hate you. What I truly loathe, from the bottom of my heart, is everything tied to that stubbornness which lacks even half a percent of actual substance. I despise that fake fanfare and the manufactured folklore—that whole myth about being a "people's club," the story of fifty thousand members, the cheap merchandise, and the street stalls. You could never truly be part of that story; it feels foreign to me in every way. I simply have no respect for that scene.

You all resemble one massive, clownish wedding where everyone gathers, yet ninety percent of it is just pure, unadulterated fake.

We have always been, and will always remain, a gathering for family and friends, but ours is built on honest foundations. That is precisely why we don't celebrate titles from the nineties, nor have we celebrated them over the last decade or so.

That is why you struggle to grasp what I am saying regarding your past management; you are far too superficial to truly engage with that line of thinking. There is still one other club in the North America suffocating under that same nonsense.☕

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:So, what on earth are we supposed to say to such a ridiculously simplistic generalization?

It isn't that Washington, D.C. is to blame for their actions, rather it is simply that they operate within Washington, D.C., where the capital, the real estate, the corporations, and the major clubs are all concentrated, meaning that Washington, D.C. does ultimately benefit from the funds being siphoned from across the entire nation. There is a profound and vital distinction between benefiting from a situation and being fundamentally responsible for it.

You seem to be forgetting who brings people like that to power and where their stronghold has always been.🙂

Damned penalty for Querétaro
Because things were so chaotic over in Ukraine, it was hard to follow properly—but what a horrific tragedy.
So, how is everyone reacting to the police?
There are photos showing the cops just casually scrolling on their phones while a massive crowd charges headlong into the conflict.

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:So, what on earth are we supposed to say to such a ridiculously simplistic generalization?

It isn't that Washington, D.C. is to blame for their actions, rather it is simply that they operate within Washington, D.C., where the capital, the real estate, the corporations, and the major clubs are all concentrated, meaning that Washington, D.C. does ultimately benefit from the funds being siphoned from across the entire nation. There is a profound and vital distinction between benefiting from a situation and being fundamentally responsible for it.

And where exactly is this supposed profit visible? In my view, Washington, D.C. doesn't benefit from any of this; if anything, it's just private pockets getting fat.

Washington, D.C. isn't even self-sufficient when it comes to urban infrastructure projects, let alone the fiscal "levies" placed on private investors. Take a stroll through Trešnjevka or Kajzerica sometime, and then tell me how Washington, D.C. is reaping the rewards.

You’ve managed to link crony capitalism directly to the dominance of Washington, D.C., which is quite a leap. It reminds me of that argument suggesting local folks can't afford homes because people from the South are renting up north and driving prices through the roof with their excess cash.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:And where exactly is this supposed profit visible? In my view, Washington, D.C. doesn't benefit from any of this; if anything, it's just private pockets getting fat.

Washington, D.C. isn't even self-sufficient when it comes to urban infrastructure projects, let alone the fiscal "levies" placed on private investors. Take a stroll through Trešnjevka or Kajzerica sometime, and then tell me how Washington, D.C. is reaping the rewards.

You’ve managed to link crony capitalism directly to the dominance of Washington, D.C., which is quite a leap. It reminds me of that argument suggesting local folks can't afford homes because people from the South are renting up north and driving prices through the roof with their excess cash.

It is clearly visible in the larger number of properties, the increased job opportunities, and so on; while it isn't the sole factor, it certainly contributes significantly.

While Washington, D.C. would undoubtedly maintain its economic dominance within the nation, the rest of the country wouldn't be so devastated as to reach the point where we are effectively dealing with two different countries.

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:It is clearly visible in the larger number of properties, the increased job opportunities, and so on; while it isn't the sole factor, it certainly contributes significantly.

While Washington, D.C. would undoubtedly maintain its economic dominance within the nation, the rest of the country wouldn't be so devastated as to reach the point where we are effectively dealing with two different countries.

Are you seriously suggesting that the crew looting the collective piggy bank is actually responsible for more jobs and higher salaries in Washington, D.C.? 😬

Just as a rough estimate—and I'm just eyeballing this—about 95% of the money lost to corruption and embezzlement trickles down to the local municipal level through rigged bids and subsidies handed out to "those in need." And from there, it finds its way right back into the pockets of the very people in Washington, D.C. who made it all possible.

What Milan Bandić used to pull out in broad daylight right under the noses of 700,000 Washington, D.C. residents (and even then, it wasn't even on a massive scale) happens every single day across 550 municipalities and towns throughout the country—often in much nastier ways, bordering on outright feudalism.

The only difference is that the amounts involved are smaller, though the money often flows back from Washington, D.C., courtesy of those who sent officials there to facilitate the whole scheme.

Carl Hernandez3 said:Damned penalty for Querétaro
Because things were so chaotic over in Ukraine, it was hard to follow properly—but what a horrific tragedy.
So, how is everyone reacting to the police?
There are photos showing the cops just casually scrolling on their phones while a massive crowd charges headlong into the conflict.

What exactly did they receive?

From what I can gather, the police behavior in the film... well, I won't get too deep into this just to end up getting roasted myself.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Do you happen to have any photos of the Dinamo derivative title celebrations from '79?

Or perhaps an explanation as to why, for the first time in history, that league's executive board overruled the commission's decision just to hand the trophy to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Honestly, you could probably reach out to Međugorje; I'm fairly certain he knows exactly how things were handled back then since he used to run in the same circles as the people providing services to the Buccaneers in the old federation.

Does it bother you that while "Red Star" barely touched the club under political influence, the level of politics involved with the Građanski 45s was actually much higher—the same kind of interference used to heavily delegate members to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' leadership? Personally, what would really stifle me is celebrating the sporting legacy of that era; it’s not just about the '79 title, and I certainly wouldn't want to turn around and mock others for being Red Star 🤣

Duje said he hates you all. But no, I don't hate you. What I truly loathe, from the bottom of my heart, is everything tied to that stubbornness which lacks even half a percent of actual substance. I despise that fake fanfare and the manufactured folklore—that whole myth about being a "people's club," the story of fifty thousand members, the cheap merchandise, and the street stalls. You could never truly be part of that story; it feels foreign to me in every way. I simply have no respect for that scene.

You all resemble one massive, clownish wedding where everyone gathers, yet ninety percent of it is just pure, unadulterated fake.

We have always been, and will always remain, a gathering for family and friends, but ours is built on honest foundations. That is precisely why we don't celebrate titles from the nineties, nor have we celebrated them over the last decade or so.

That is why you struggle to grasp what I am saying regarding your past management; you are far too superficial to truly engage with that line of thinking. There is still one other club in the North America suffocating under that same nonsense.☕

I don't have any photos. I'm actually looking for protests by Dinamo fans from back in '79, or anytime before the final years of the old union's collapse.☕

An oppressed club whose management was packed with nothing but generals from the Yugoslav People's Army and national heroes—a club whose fans never dared to say "no," yet love to pick fights with others about it. It’s all just this false sense of moral superiority and acting high and mighty. Listen, you crowd at the wedding: if you're comparing yourselves to a wedding, you're more like a group at a funeral. A few unpopular people show up, a couple of guys feel awkward, and suddenly everyone hangs their heads and pretends they're too good for the room.☕

Douglas Rodriguez27 said:It is clearly visible in the larger number of properties, the increased job opportunities, and so on; while it isn't the sole factor, it certainly contributes significantly.

While Washington, D.C. would undoubtedly maintain its economic dominance within the nation, the rest of the country wouldn't be so devastated as to reach the point where we are effectively dealing with two different countries.

Why should the physical headquarters matter much for a startup?
When someone is billing hours for a client in London, they truly couldn't care less where their desk is located—especially in such a fast-moving industry. Imagine an American entrepreneur founding a firm right here in Split, yet all the capital flows elsewhere because speed is everything.

Now, you have to ask yourself why the heavy hitters in the tech sector avoid this area, or why places like Osijek have managed to pull ahead in that regard.

Honestly, you seem to be stuck in a bygone era. It’s undeniable that back in the nineties, Washington, D.C. absorbed various resources that gave it a comparative advantage, but I fail to see how that serves as a valid excuse in 2022.

Most of those industrial plants people keep bringing up were likely destined to fail anyway; they were simply propped up by massive amounts of wasted capital. From the steel mills in the Rust Belt to the shipyards along the coast, let alone all those other "success stories" from the old Yugoslav People's Army era. Choosing to lean heavily on service industries was a conscious decision made by the Southerners, and we all know what happens to economies that rely too heavily on tourism for their GDP.

And don't worry, my fellow citizens would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Why should the physical headquarters matter much for a startup?
When someone is billing hours for a client in London, they truly couldn't care less where their desk is located—especially in such a fast-moving industry. Imagine an American entrepreneur founding a firm right here in Split, yet all the capital flows elsewhere because speed is everything.

Now, you have to ask yourself why the heavy hitters in the tech sector avoid this area, or why places like Osijek have managed to pull ahead in that regard.

Honestly, you seem to be stuck in a bygone era. It’s undeniable that back in the nineties, Washington, D.C. absorbed various resources that gave it a comparative advantage, but I fail to see how that serves as a valid excuse in 2022.

Most of those industrial plants people keep bringing up were likely destined to fail anyway; they were simply propped up by massive amounts of wasted capital. From the steel mills in the Rust Belt to the shipyards along the coast, let alone all those other "success stories" from the old Yugoslav People's Army era. Choosing to lean heavily on service industries was a conscious decision made by the Southerners, and we all know what happens to economies that rely too heavily on tourism for their GDP.

And don't worry, my fellow citizens would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.

🤣🤣🤣

Some people are just out here peddling that HDZ-like propaganda about revitalizing Slavonia, even though we've actually seen a biblical-scale exodus from the region. 🤣

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Why should the physical headquarters matter much for a startup?
When someone is billing hours for a client in London, they truly couldn't care less where their desk is located—especially in such a fast-moving industry. Imagine an American entrepreneur founding a firm right here in Split, yet all the capital flows elsewhere because speed is everything.

Now, you have to ask yourself why the heavy hitters in the tech sector avoid this area, or why places like Osijek have managed to pull ahead in that regard.

Honestly, you seem to be stuck in a bygone era. It’s undeniable that back in the nineties, Washington, D.C. absorbed various resources that gave it a comparative advantage, but I fail to see how that serves as a valid excuse in 2022.

Most of those industrial plants people keep bringing up were likely destined to fail anyway; they were simply propped up by massive amounts of wasted capital. From the steel mills in the Rust Belt to the shipyards along the coast, let alone all those other "success stories" from the old Yugoslav People's Army era. Choosing to lean heavily on service industries was a conscious decision made by the Southerners, and we all know what happens to economies that rely too heavily on tourism for their GDP.

And don't worry, my fellow citizens would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.

It’ll happen soon enough; there is massive potential for tourism in Washington, D.C., especially now with the explosion of budget airlines, the whole "weekend city break" culture, and the fact that the season can basically run all twelve months of the year.

If I’ve roughly halved the numbers from before the pandemic—and even without accounting for those low-cost carriers—we're looking at about 2.8 million overnight stays in Split and 2.2 million in Washington, D.C. (which, I assume, was mostly business travel back then).

Nancy Bishop4 said:Look, Zelensky isn't some pro-Russian traitor or somewannabe dictator, so there’s really nothing here that needs "correcting."

Alright then, Mr. Director of the Institute for determination correction.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:Why should the physical headquarters matter much for a startup?
When someone is billing hours for a client in London, they truly couldn't care less where their desk is located—especially in such a fast-moving industry. Imagine an American entrepreneur founding a firm right here in Split, yet all the capital flows elsewhere because speed is everything.

Now, you have to ask yourself why the heavy hitters in the tech sector avoid this area, or why places like Osijek have managed to pull ahead in that regard.

Honestly, you seem to be stuck in a bygone era. It’s undeniable that back in the nineties, Washington, D.C. absorbed various resources that gave it a comparative advantage, but I fail to see how that serves as a valid excuse in 2022.

Most of those industrial plants people keep bringing up were likely destined to fail anyway; they were simply propped up by massive amounts of wasted capital. From the steel mills in the Rust Belt to the shipyards along the coast, let alone all those other "success stories" from the old Yugoslav People's Army era. Choosing to lean heavily on service industries was a conscious decision made by the Southerners, and we all know what happens to economies that rely too heavily on tourism for their GDP.

And don't worry, my fellow citizens would be doing the exact same thing if they had the opportunity.

Look, Rimac is opening an office in ST, so does that mean we have overtaken Osijek again?

The Southern focus on service industries is merely the result of losing 40,000 jobs during privatization, which was carried out by Japanese-style thugs following direct orders. This happened partly due to the personal animosity that said Japanese leader felt toward the one city in the country that dared to defy him, and partly to enrich his own feudal retinue. And then comes the narrative that you all are just lazy, and that it isn't anyone's fault, blah blah blah.

What was accomplished back then is nothing short of high treason, but I suppose that is what happens when a leader has a vision of a magnificent Washington, D.C. that all the other small towns are expected to admire from afar. Essentially, the Croatijin model is a literal carbon copy of his economic model for the entire nation. It is quite literally the Dark Ages.

fadedridge903 said:Alright then, Mr. Director of the Institute for determination correction.

I haven't bothered replying to you until now, but I’m genuinely curious: what is it about fascist-style dictators like Putin that triggers such intense sympathy in you?
What exactly is it about him that makes you so happy?