Pros and Cons of Sebastian Vettel

I feel like a broken record here... they won using a car that was simply in a league of its own 😁

I really hope we can all see eye to eye on that one...🙂

dustyskipper77 said:I’m just repeating myself here... he won in a car that was basically in a different league from everyone else.😁

Hopefully we can all agree on that...🙂

Yeah, the car was in a different league. We can definitely agree on that.😁
But that car was also in a different league in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018....
Maybe then Vettel and the car can finally call it quits.😁

It’s hard to even find the words for this one.....🤦

Usually, when people drop "brilliant" takes like:

dustyskipper77 said:even my 83-year-old grandma could win the championship...😁

I just follow up with even more "genius" replies ☕

You can really see how brilliant everyone is being in those posts above....😁

stormybadger8 regarding the 2010 season said:If we look at the teams as a whole, McLaren barely has any competition this year. Realistically, it's:
1. McLaren
2. Ferrari
3. Red Bull

Personally, I think this is a great answer. 😍🙏

Hasn't there been enough trolling already? ☕
(That was a rhetorical question, just so nobody accidentally thinks they're being clever by trying to answer...)

His biggest assets are pretty obvious—the guy is lightning fast, young, and clearly has a high racing IQ. But if you want to talk about his downsides, it’s really just the fact that he isn't behind the wheel of a Ferrari, and the fact that TBFD is actually rooting for him.😬

silvercobra68 said:Vettel—pros and cons

Alright, here we go. It’s been about three seasons since Vettel hit the Formula 1 scene, so there's plenty of data to actually judge him by.

1) He’s killer in a bad car—he drags whatever junk he's driving to its absolute limit, no doubt about that. But put him in a dominant machine? Total flop. Honestly, he reminds me of Giancarlo Fisichella. Just look at how Fisichella fought in those inferior cars at Indy 1997, Indy 2009, Indy 1999, and Indy 2003—pure magic. Yet, when he had the top-tier car at those same tracks, like Indy 2005 or Indy 2006, he wasn't nearly as brilliant. So it's not the track, and it's definitely not the car—I mean, obviously, the 2006 Renault was lightyears better than the 1999 Benetton, both relatively and absolutely.

2) He started getting outplayed by some shady Australian guy who nobody really knows. On paper, he was born in '74, but word is he was actually born in '69 and the docs were faked just so he could stay in the junior leagues longer. The FIA knows the deal but decided to look the other way. Whatever, even FIFA looked the other way with Chirota. They know what's up, and hey, it's not hurting anyone else. Except maybe Vettel—but even then, if a 41-year-old loses to a guy like that, it just tastes even more bitter.

3) In a head-to-head on track, he loses to more aggressive drivers in worse cars (like when Lewis Hamilton blew past him in Los Angeles)—which is basically the trademark of drivers like Jarno Trulli, Timo Glock, and Heikki Kovalainen. Hmmm.

4) When he's supposed to overtake someone slower ahead of him, he gets soft and just gives up (think Bahrain 2009 or Los Angeles 2009).

Bottom line: Vettel is somewhere in the middle of Nico Rosberg (who was pretty much on par with Mark Webber back when they were at Williams) and Fisichella. So, a solid driver. A future champ? Hard pass.

Anyway, discuss.

Thoughts from the late Joe Bistranski

It’s wild how this guy lived an entire decade ahead of his time. Never truly understood by anyone.

RIP (rest in peace, per my mom's spelling)

After Michael Schumacher walked away, I didn't really have a favorite. Even before Vettel started collecting championships, I always felt like everyone else actually earned theirs, whereas with Vettel, I never quite got that feeling. During those years, I just had this nagging sense that he was winning solely because he had a dominant car and because the team clearly favored him over his teammate. I knew that eventually, the truth would come out, and here we are. The reality is that he’s an average driver who happened to be in the right place at the right time—he almost even threw away two titles because of his own mistakes. He can only win when he's sitting in the absolute fastest car on the grid and when his teammates are basically past their prime. Honestly, his career is pretty much done; it would probably be best if he called it quits after this season before things get even worse. In my eyes, his titles don't really carry any weight, and I still believe there are drivers who never even had a shot at a championship who are better than him. But that's just how it turned out. Adrian Newey... this Vettel has 4 titles, so there's really nothing more to say about it.

James Harris34 said:Once Michael Schumacher left, I wasn't really rooting for anyone—and honestly, before Vettel started grabbing titles, I always felt like everyone else actually earned theirs. With Vettel, I just never got that feeling; I always suspected he was only winning because he had a dominant car and the team clearly favored him over his teammate. I knew the truth would come out eventually, and here we are: he’s just an average driver who happened to be in the right place at the right time (and almost blew two titles thanks to his own mistakes). He can only win when he's sitting in the fastest car on the grid and his teammates are basically retirees. For all intents and purposes, his career is done—he should probably just call it quits after this season before things get even worse. His titles don't mean squat to me; I still think drivers who never even had a shot at a title are better than him. But hey, that's how it played out. Adrian Newey... this Vettel guy has 4 titles, so there's nothing you can do about it.

Yeah...

It'd be way easier for us to stomach if he only had those inevitable wins from 2011 and 2013.

But he didn't stop there...

We have to deal with all four, because unfortunately, nobody was competent enough to stop him in 2010 and 2012.

That parrot who kept repeating
"Petrov-Rosberg, Petrov-Rosberg" all winter long after 2010 did more damage to Sebastian Vettel's reputation than anything else.

ruggedhawk20 said:Yeah...

It would be a whole lot easier for all of us to stomach Vettel if he only had those 2011 and 2013 titles that felt inevitable.

But it wasn't just those two...

We have to deal with all four, because unfortunately, there wasn't anyone competent enough to stop him back in 2010 and 2012.

That loudmouth who kept repeating
"Petrov-Rosberg, Petrov-Rosberg" all winter long after 2010 did more damage to Sebastian Vettel's reputation than anything else.

I think you phrased that a bit wrong. It's not that nobody was competent enough to take his titles away, it's that he wasn't quite competent enough to clinch them with a car like that a few races before the end—which is what realistically should have happened.

James Harris34 said:I think you're misinterpreting me—it’s not that there wasn't anyone competent enough to take his titles away, it's that he wasn't quite competent enough to snatch a few more wins with that car before the season ended, which is what should've happened.

I said exactly what I meant to say.

Don't worry about how I express myself.

ruggedhawk20 said:Some thoughts from the late Joe Bistranski.

It’s wild how someone could spend an entire decade living years ahead of everyone else, only to never truly be understood.

RIP (pfft, if you can even call it that)

Poor Joe. 😢
If you were actually alive right now, what do you think? Would he just go into total self-banter after this, or would he actually manage to survive? 😬

silvercobra68 said:So, the verdict on Vettel is that he lands somewhere between Nico Rosberg—who was basically neck-and-neck with Mark Webber back when they were pulling duty for Williams and Fisichella—and whatever comes next. He’s a solid driver. Nothing more, nothing less. Future champ? Hard pass.

What do you think about this...
Look, let's be real: Vettel has four titles under his belt. Rosberg only managed one. And Webber? He didn't beat Vettel in a single season. Period.

Sebastian Vettel—the pros and the cons

just what one of my buddies calls the worst F1 4 time champion said.

neonfox65 said:just like my buddy—the absolute worst F1 4 time champion.

Some genius colleague right there—honestly, you can practically hear the brain cells leaking out of his ears.

ruggedhawk20 said:Some genius over here—honestly, the guy's practically dripping with intellect...

is telling you this

I’m not feeling your buddy. Usually, I’m all about liking other people's colleagues—but this guy? Just wasn't my vibe.

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