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Matthew Scott2 Matthew Scott2 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2005
#21 ·
So, look, doc—or rather, doctor—she gave me this cream containing didermol and galsan, which she’d used at first, and I guess it actually worked for a bit, like the irritation just pulled back. But man, that didn't last long. Eventually, it started making me super itchy without doing anything else, so I switched over to this other cream. It seemed to show some results initially too, but then, as time went on, it also started causing itching and way more redness. Btw, I’m living in a small town where there aren't really many options for specialists, you know? Like, I don't have much of a choice when it comes to finding a dermatologist who could actually give me their take on this.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
313 messages
joined Dec 2010
#22 ·
Wait, did he actually ask if you have any connections or something else along those lines?
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#23 ·
"The junk hidden in everything we eat today..."

you’re sitting there waiting for every single word to fall perfectly into place, but honestly, you’re just out of luck... 😢

"You forgot to mention that this is all about DEVELOPING nations."

I didn't forget; if anything, this is exactly what's happening right here in the US, where better technology just means more additives in our food and more "brilliant" corporate types looking for a quick buck... 😠

"There's no financial incentive in helping the hungry around the world."

that's such a typical thing to say when someone's perspective is clearly limited... 😁

"If you're bored, have a nice life."

🙂

"That's the issue with psoriasis. It shows up in every fourth knee. Seriously."

you should probably be grateful you only have two legs... and two knees... hmm... 🤔 ... or do you actually have four knees? 😁 😂

"I'd rather take my photos and live in ignorance than let some old lady think it's shameful to be sick and hide it."

well, let's hope your grandmother sticks around, otherwise you're going to end up completely lost... 🙂
Casey Palmer5 Casey Palmer5 Regular
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#24 ·
mistybear4,
please try to keep the personal jabs out of the mix when we're discussing such a serious topic.
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
58 messages
joined Nov 2007
#25 ·
Casey Palmer5 said:mistybear4,
please try to keep your personal jabs at other members out of what is supposed to be a serious discussion.

The topic is serious enough, I suppose, but if you’re going to lecture me, maybe you should call out nimbledriver81 too, whenever they decide to start throwing their "personal opinions" about my work and my character in my face:

nimbledriver81:
"But it's easier to sell expensive supplements to lazy Europeans and Americans using just ONE OF YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS..." 😕

"Unlike you, who is just SPITTING OUT CLICHÉS here..."

"Do you honestly think nobody else here has dealt with snake oil salesmen?"

"You ignorant fool."
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"My sister and I both deal with psoriasis; hers is mild, so I consider myself lucky."

When someone claims to have "unsolvable" medical issues while simultaneously acting incredibly condescending by waving around a degree from the College of Food Science and Biotechnology and a PhD in biology—all while hurling insults like "YOUR RECOMMENDATION," "SPITTING OUT CLICHÉS," "SNAKE OIL SALESMEN," and "IGNORANT"—it isn't hard to see that those credentials don't do much good when it comes to being a decent, logical human being regarding something like psoriasis...

If anyone thinks they've got everything figured out and doesn't need input from anyone else, they should probably just leave this forum to themselves so those actually looking for info aren't stuck dealing with these mindless outbursts... get it?

ps: sorry, I misgendered nimbledriver81 again, likely due to their supposed "refined manners"... 😁 .. though they could have picked a more gender-neutral handle to avoid the confusion.. 😁
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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#26 ·
I’m going to go ahead and ask the moderators to step in here—seriously, please—because McPropovjednik is just clogging up this thread without actually contributing anything of substance. Just because someone fails to grasp a bit of sarcasm doesn't mean they suddenly have some profound medical insight regarding psoriasis—or, frankly, any other health condition for that matter.
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#27 ·
nimbledriver81 said:I’m going to ask the moderators to step in again because McPropovjednik is just cluttering up this thread without contributing anything of substance. Just because someone fails to grasp sarcasm doesn't mean they have any actual insight to offer regarding psoriasis, or frankly, any other medical condition.

It’s pretty obvious I’ve shared more actual information about these conditions than you ever have, Doctor... 🙂

PS: I’m out here looking for actual solutions while you're busy lamenting how everything is broken and impossible to fix.. 👋
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#28 ·
mistybear4 said:ps: I’m out here talking about actual solutions while you’re just stuck in a loop of complaining about how everything is impossible and hopeless... 👋

🤔 Please, enlighten me. Are you seriously suggesting we treat psoriasis - faith in healing with nothing more than a multivitamin supplement? 🤣
Unlike you—who seems to be just reciting things you've memorized word-for-word—I am laying out cold, hard facts. And let me tell you, stating facts isn't "complaining." Is that how you define enlightenment these days?

Just last year, a brand-new patented therapy was launched right here in the United States, developed through a joint effort between Americans and Britons. The treatment cycle lasts about 12 weeks, and once you're done, the symptoms can stay in remission for up to a full year! Now, the price tag—well, it's a bit of a "small detail," if you catch my drift. Of course, travel and plane tickets aren't included in the cost. Did they cover that part at your Herbalife's seminar?
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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#29 ·
But look, mistybear4, you're acting like a total cultist here...

If you don't have anything constructive to say, at least try to refrain from insulting people.
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#30 ·
Gregory Turner71 said:But look, Mac, you’re acting like a total cultist...

If you don't have anything constructive to say, at least try not to get personal.

From what I can recall—if you actually bother to scroll back through the old threads—I was being perfectly constructive until people started coming for me personally. If you can't wrap your heads around the facts or just refuse to believe the logic behind them, that's really on you. I appreciate the "education," though; I suppose God and the doctors will help you eventually, and you'll probably find yourselves remembering my posts sooner or later. 😎

Take care. 👋
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#31 ·
"Please, enlighten me. You’re actually suggesting treating psoriasis with a multivitamin supplement?"

I don't think there's any enlightening left to do with you; you clearly think you're far wiser than you actually are, considering how someone as "expert" as yourself manages to mislabel cellular nutrition as just a "multivitamin"... 😁

"Unlike you, who just recites things you've memorized, I'm laying out actual facts. And stating facts isn't the same thing as whining. Is that part of your definition of enlightenment?"

Your facts aren't helping anyone, least of all yourself... whereas my facts consist of knowing people who have actually solved this problem, unlike you, who acts like the smartest person in the room but still hasn't managed to fix it, right? ... 😉

"Last year in the United States, a new patented therapy was released, developed through a partnership between Amer and Britons. The treatment lasts 12 weeks, and after that, symptoms can stay in remission for up to a year."

God, you narrow-minded people are exhausting. I've been talking about FOOD the entire time while you all obsess over MEDICINE; I'm talking about addressing the ROOT CAUSE while you focus entirely on masking the SYMPTOMS... once you're finally ready to admit to yourselves that your solutions don't actually work, feel free to come back to our "doctor," and I'll introduce you to the people who can tell you how it really is firsthand... 😎 👍 🙂

👋
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#32 ·
mistybear4 said:Honestly, there’s just no educating you anymore—you’re far sharper than you give yourself credit for! I mean, truly—only a "specialist" of your caliber could possibly look at a basic whole-food diet and rebrand it as some fancy "multivitamin supplement"... it’s almost poetic, isn't it? 😁

If you’re truly asking me—and I see that little challenge tucked in there, which I appreciate!—to boil down the entire concept of cellular nutrition into one single, solitary sentence, then here goes my best shot at it: Cellular nutrition is essentially the high-level process of providing your body's individual building blocks with the specific, precise fuel and micronutrients they need to maintain their structural integrity and keep the whole biological engine humming along perfectly. Now, if you'll excuse me, that was quite a mental marathon for such a tiny request!

Unlike you—who seems to be just reciting lines you've memorized like some scripted actor in a mediocre Broadway play—I am actually laying out the cold, hard facts. And let’s get one thing straight: presenting reality isn't "whining." Is that part of your enlightened little dictionary too? Or did you skip that chapter?

Your little collection of facts isn't going to help anyone—not even you, really... and if we’re being honest here, my "facts" consist of knowing actual people who have successfully tackled this issue, unlike you, who seems to be the smartest person in the room yet still hasn't managed to pull it off, you know what I mean? 😉

What exactly is it that I haven’t quite managed to resolve yet? My total intolerance for people who just won't take a hint?

I am absolutely fed up with these narrow-minded people! I feel like I’m standing here shouting from the rooftops about FOOD—actual nutrition—and yet all you folks want to talk about are MEDICATIONS. It’s incredibly frustrating! I am trying to discuss how to eliminate the actual ROOT CAUSE, but everyone else seems obsessed with nothing more than masking the SYMPTOMS...

Oh, wonderful! Since you’re clearly such a genius—and feel free to go ahead and insult me however you like, I really don't mind at all—why don't you enlighten me? How exactly do you plan on eliminating the actual cause of psoriasis? Are you going to perform some sort of surgical strike on my DNA and just toss the genes in the trash? Or perhaps you'll try to lure them out with a fancy little bribe so they never decide to crawl back into the genome again?
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mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#33 ·
"Please define cellular nutrition for me. In one single sentence. If you're actually capable of that."

I suppose I could, but since you wouldn't grasp the nuance even if I gave you 111 sentences, I won't bother trying to squeeze it into one. ... 🙂

FOOD IS WHAT WE EAT, BUT "CELLULAR NUTRITION" IS WHAT ACTUALLY REACHES EVERY SINGLE CELL IN YOUR BODY!!!

But let me clarify just a bit (for the benefit of anyone else reading this) ...
It’s been common knowledge forever that good, natural, healthy food is what keeps a person vital and healthy ... we all know the body needs proteins, carbs, fats, essential acids, vitamins, and minerals ... what’s actually new here is the realization that food is only one side of the coin; there is a massive distinction between simple eating and true "cellular nutrition" ... food is merely what goes into your mouth, whereas "cellular nutrition" is what actually makes its way down to your cells .... 😕
The part that trips most people up is the fact that YOU CANNOT BE CERTAIN that the food you're consuming is actually reaching and nourishing your cells ... it sounds surreal, but you can overeat and gain weight while your cells are essentially starving ... it’s wild that even today, despite having more than enough food available, we face more disease than at any other point in history. Why? .... because there is a huge gap between feeding your mouth and feeding your cells .. 😲

As long as your cells aren't healthy, you won't be either! The secret to real health and nutrition lies in ensuring that your body's cells—muscle cells, brain cells, heart cells—are properly and fully nourished ... it isn't just about what you eat, but whether your body can actually DIGEST, ABSORB, and, most importantly, ASSIMILATE that food at a cellular level ... the trick to this "miracle" is using food that is specifically designed, formulated, and prepared to FEED YOUR CELLS! ... once your cells get the right fuel, you start feeling these staggering shifts in your health .. it’s an entirely different concept of nutrition, a whole new paradigm for health ... so, we aren't talking about a product or a single ingredient; it's a technology that delivers nutrients directly to the cells ... 🙂

People who embrace "cellular nutrition" stop running to the doctor, stop relying on pills, stop needing afternoon naps, lose the headaches, and finally shake off that constant gloom and irritability! That comes strictly from proper "cellular nutrition," not from some other therapy.

We are living through actual epidemics of disease today—accounting for 70% of all ailments—where the only real solution is proper nutrition ...
Not drugs, not surgeries!

Modern medicine focuses on finding drugs for various illnesses ... notice how doctors always use the word “treatment”.... they “diagnose” you first and then they “treat” you ... but here, we are talking about HEALING ... to heal means to become whole again. It means returning to being complete—to being young and healthy once more!
What would you rather have? To be treated, or to be healed? .. 🙂

The body's innate ability to pull itself back together, to naturally heal itself when given the chance via the right tools—via "cellular nutrition"—looks like a miracle ... but it isn't a miracle; our bodies are the miracle .. BUT YOU ARE THE ONE FEEDING THEM .. it's up to you if you want to be healed! "Cellular nutrition" has the potential to change the global health landscape. .... 😕 🤔 🙂 👋
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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#34 ·
"Great. Since you're such a genius (and you can honestly go jump in a lake, sorry), why don't you explain how you're going to eliminate the actual CAUSE of psoriasis? Are you planning to just cut out the genes and toss them in the trash? Maybe lure them out with some fancy paperwork so they never crawl back into the genome?"

"In your dreams" or just "dreams"? .. 😁 (sorry, I just don't have much patience for the thick-headed)

If you don't understand the cause, you'll end up paying for it through the consequences.

To actually grasp what's causing this, one really needs to learn the basics of how the human body works and how nutrition dictates health... though before learning anything, you have to remember an old saying:

"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world." — Albert Einstein

The reality is that these issues stem from diet rather than genetics; genes are merely a predisposition triggered by nutritional deficiencies, which then manifest themselves physically... at least, that's been the pattern with psoriasis. If a deficiency starts causing symptoms, those symptoms will stop once that deficiency is corrected, because the skin regenerates every single day, giving you a constant chance to test if your approach is actually working.

Lately, there’s been a growing recognition of how Eastern dietary philosophies impact wellness. This whole debate has actually inspired me to pick up Oleg Petrovski's book, "psoriasis - faith in healing," just to be absolutely certain about the points I'm making here. 😎

http://www.amazon.com/book/68708

A few years ago, people barely talked about the link between diet and systemic health; now, here I am "fighting" with you all online, but in a few years, this will just be common sense. I only hope people remember this conversation when they finally catch up. 😁

"Thinking is easy, acting is difficult, and to put one's thoughts into action is the most difficult thing in the world." – Goethe
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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joined Nov 2007
#35 ·
I’ve been looking into some information regarding psoriasis lately, mostly just trying to make sense of how much this skin condition actually impacts someone's daily life. It’s one of those things that feels like a constant, quiet struggle, isn't it?
The information provided comes from the National Psoriasis Foundation.
National Psoriasis Foundation, PSO.

I've spent enough time staring at medical journals and listening to various experts to know that finding reliable information on psoriasis can feel like a bit of a losing battle. It’s one of those things where everyone seems to have an opinion, yet nobody ever gives you a straight answer that actually sticks.

Psoriasis is essentially just one of those endless, frustrating ways the body decides to malfunction, where the skin's renewal process goes into overdrive and creates these stubborn patches that just won't quit. It’s a lifelong thing, really—not something you just shake off like a common cold, but more like a persistent, unwelcome guest you're forced to live with.
Living with psoriasis is essentially a lifelong battle with your own skin. Here in the United States, we have roughly 250,000 people dealing with this exact same headache. It usually shows up as these angry red patches smothered in white scales, which happens because your skin cells start cranking out at a much faster rate than they should. You might see the flare-ups anywhere, though I’ve noticed it tends to cluster most often on the elbows, knees, torso, or scalp. Sometimes it presents as tiny little spots, or it can manifest as intense redness in more sensitive areas like the underarms, groin, or even private areas.
It usually shows up on the hands, feet, or nails. Doctors generally view psoriasis as an autoimmune disorder where the immune system triggers skin inflammation, which frequently drags the joints into the mess as well. When that chronic joint inflammation kicks in alongside the skin issues, they call it psoriatic arthritis.

I've spent enough years watching people chase shadows to know that there isn't one single smoking gun behind psoriasis, though everyone seems convinced they've found it. It’s usually some messy intersection of genetics and an immune system that simply forgets how to behave, much like how a sudden storm can roll through a quiet afternoon in Chicago without any warning.
We still haven't pinned down exactly what triggers psoriasis. It feels like genetics play a massive role in setting the stage, leaving you predisposed to the whole ordeal from the jump. Beyond just what’s written in your DNA, though, everything from initial environmental stressors to lingering infections seems to dictate how the disease actually behaves once it takes hold.

I often find myself wondering who actually ends up dealing with this whole psoriasis mess. It seems like one of those things that just hits people out of nowhere, though I suppose there’s always some underlying reason if you dig deep enough.
Psoriasis can strike at any stage of life, though it seems to have a particular grudge against younger people. It’s actually quite common for half of those dealing with it to be diagnosed before they even hit twenty-five. You occasionally see it show up in small children too, though that isn't nearly as frequent. As far as gender goes, it doesn't really pick favorites; men and women seem to face it in roughly equal measure.
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Let's take a closer look at this.

Medical experts generally view psoriasis as one of those autoimmune conditions where your own immune system essentially goes rogue, triggering inflammation in the skin and, all too often, turning its sights on the joints as well.

I can only hope you at least have some inkling of how an immune system is actually built—whether it’s through what we eat, the way we live, or the medications we take. 😕

The actual cause behind why psoriasis flares up remains a complete mystery to science, which is just one more thing in this world that doesn't quite make sense.

Unless you’ve actually gone through the ordeal yourself, I don't see where you get the authority to sit there and judge what's right or wrong while simultaneously spitting all over my claims. 😁

It seems like genetics play a massive role in determining who's actually predisposed to developing this condition. Beyond just what we inherit, there’s a whole cocktail of other factors at play—everything from how the disease first triggers and progresses to things like chronic infections and the constant weight of stress.

Having a major role doesn't mean you're the only one involved; just like any good argument needs at least two people to get going, most things in life require more than one player to actually happen. 😁 Even if you have the genetic predisposition, it doesn't necessarily mean things will trigger, provided everything else stays in check. I remember reading once that biology isn't always destiny, and honestly, after seeing how much environmental factors play into health, I've come to believe it.
Stress is becoming one of those massive hurdles when you're dealing with psoriasis these days, especially since we're all constantly running on fumes from the grind—whether it’s the endless corporate ladder climbing, the soul-crushing morning commutes, or just the general chaos of family life. I remember back when I was working eighty-hour weeks in Chicago, I felt like my body was physically fraying at the edges, and it turns out there's actually some science to that feeling. There's more and more talk lately about using supplements like B vitamins, minerals, and various vitamins to buffer against that pressure, mostly because our standard American diet is so notoriously lacking in the good stuff. It’s been observed that stress itself essentially drains your system of these essential nutrients, leaving you depleted, so taking supplements is really just an attempt at preventative maintenance to stop the stress from hollowed us out entirely.
Then there’s a third factor to consider: the impact of various medications. There are a million different combinations of side effects out there that doctors aren't even aware of yet, and more often than not, the potential health consequences just go ignored in silence. 😕

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nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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#36 ·
The secret behind this whole "miracle" thing—if you can even call it that—is that we’re talking about food specifically engineered, formulated, and crafted to actually FEED YOUR CELLS! ... and honestly, once your cells start getting the right kind of fuel—you’re going to feel these absolutely staggering shifts in your health.. it’s a totally fresh, completely different way of looking at nutrition, a whole new paradigm for wellness ... so, look, it isn't just some random product or a single ingredient; it’s essentially a delivery technology designed to shuttle nutrients straight into your cells ...

A miracle, you say? On a Health forum? This belongs over in the Religion section...
mistybear4 mistybear4 Active MemberOP
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#37 ·
Typical response from someone who clearly hasn't done their homework... honestly, it seems like you're struggling to see things clearly, and I don't just mean the psoriasis. Take another look; the word "miracle" is in quotation marks for a reason. If you can't grasp the subtle implication behind those quotes, maybe you should consider heading back to school for another degree? 😁 😁 😁

PS: Just because something feels like a miracle to one person doesn't make it a reality for everyone else. I wonder what kind of "miracles" you'd actually be celebrating if you had the chance.

🙂
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
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joined Aug 2007
#38 ·
mistybear4 said:... honestly, which "miracle" would you even be more excited about?

🙂

Don't go ruining the thread for everyone else.

Everyone else has already thrown in the towel—so, really, I might as well join them.
Nicole James Nicole James Regular
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joined Dec 2010
#39 ·
Here goes my thread in the US...🙄
nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#40 ·
So, what’s the move here? 🙂 Honestly, I’m just exhausted from reading all this—it’s like someone took a poorly translated manual from overseas and decided to call it "content"... And the moderators can't even touch him because, well, he isn't officially peddling anything publicly yet...

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