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nimbledriver81 nimbledriver81 Active Member
96 messages
joined Aug 2007
#1141 ·
Mark Fox44 said:So, I’m asking Chris Morgan67 and everyone else who tends to lose their cool—just hang on a second! Let’s wait and see if the results from Michael Ramos3’s father actually pan out. If it turns out he hasn't helped anyone here, then—and only then—can we all jump in and give him a piece of our minds!

But why would we even attack him? 😕 Look, the guy genuinely believes he’s found a way to cure psoriasis and he's trying to sell it. That’s his right—just like it's the right of anyone dealing with this condition to decide whether to buy a treatment or not, or to voice their own opinion on the matter.
Robert Clark2 Robert Clark2 Active Member
121 messages
joined Apr 2008
#1142 ·
Casey Miller9 said:Exactly. I really don't think a dermatologist would mess up that badly, especially since he's one of the top guys in Miami. But hey, that's why biopsies exist—to stop the guesswork! And look, tonight it’s already looking better. It's like it's receding again, which might mean we won't even need that biopsy after all. Now I'm wondering, is that just how psoriasis behaves? Like it flares up for a few days and then disappears for just as long?😕

I’ve been following all your posts, especially the photos, and honestly? I'm thinking your son might actually be dealing with neurodermatitis triggered by allergens.
Don't take it personally if I'm off base here—even doctors get things wrong sometimes.
As soon as you can get that biopsy done, do it. Period. It's the only real way to know for sure. Anything else is just spinning your wheels and risking your kid's health.
Psoriasis doesn't typically cycle through flares that quickly.
Keep a close eye on his environment—where he hangs out, his clothes, the weather (especially wind), and even the water.
The reason I mention this is because you said it flares up and then vanishes so fast.
It's like asthma; when an attack hits hard, you'll see if the dermatitis is backing off or ramping up right along with it.
If I were in your shoes, I'd try changing up his surroundings for a bit just to see what happens.
Right now, it's all just guesswork, and guessing isn't good when your child's health is on the line.
Best regards!
silentheron25 silentheron25 Newcomer
5 messages
joined May 2007
#1143 ·
My hands are starting to flare up a bit too. I make sure to get out in the sun and swim every single day, which definitely helps. To all the skeptics out there doubting this stuff: just start now while it's still summer. Get moving on it immediately, because being by the ocean and soaking up the sun can only do so much without using an ointment that—while clearly slow—actually works.
Mark Fox44 Mark Fox44 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1144 ·
So, here I am, back after a weekend at the beach. As I mentioned a few days ago, I thought I’d share a little history of my journey with this condition—the timeline, the treatments, and how my body actually reacted to them. About ten years ago, I went through an incredibly high-stress chapter of my life (dealing with the fallout of war, starting a business, relationship drama, you name it...), and that's when the psoriasis first flared up on my scalp. After an initial misdiagnosis, I started using Ketoconazole shampoo, which, quite frankly, just made things worse. From there, it slowly spread to my forearms, thighs, shins, stomach, and back. Eventually, I got the correct diagnosis and started the standard steroid treatments recommended by our top dermatologists—things like Belosalic lotion, creams, ointments, Locasalen, Elocom, and so on. While they worked well enough at first, my skin eventually built up a tolerance, and I started dealing with side effects like dryness, thinning skin, itching, inflamed redness, and loss of pigmentation. That’s what pushed me to start looking into alternative ways to cure it. I reached out to several herbalists; most were realistic about the fact that you can't really cure psoriasis, but a few were absolutely convinced they could. To be honest, those who claimed a total cure never had any actual evidence or documented cases to back it up. Because of that, I maintain a bit of healthy skepticism regarding Michael Ramos3, though please don't misunderstand me—it isn't that I doubt his faith in his father's ointment or his genuine desire to help. If there truly were a way to achieve a cure in a short timeframe—whether that's weeks, months, or even a year—it would be more than the entire pharmaceutical industry has managed to accomplish so far. That's why I think it would be a great idea for anyone on this forum deciding to try an ointment to take "before and after" photos throughout their treatment. It would also be helpful if Michael Ramos3 requested photo updates from his customers to build more credibility.
Generally speaking, most herbalist therapies revolve around using certain teas or honey blends to "cleanse" the system from the inside out, usually recommending a "liver-friendly" diet alongside plant-based fats or lotions.
As for my own routine, for my scalp, the best thing I've found among all the medical and herbal options has been the "Psorex" ointment from Cincinnati. For my body, I use Beloderm 40% cream, salicylic acid (3-5%), Belobaza up to 100%, or Lipolotion with 5% salicylic acid, followed by applying Daivonex (which contains the active ingredient calcipotriol). Regarding diet, I spent over six months on a very strict regimen and nearly a full year following macrobiotics, but I didn't see any significant results from either. Personally, I feel that diet is often overrated when it comes to treating psoriasis, though I do believe taking supplements like Omega-3, evening primrose oil, and brewer's yeast is essential, especially when dealing with nail changes. I used some Herbalife products back in the day, so I'll offer a quick thought on those. Since most of us aren't nutrition experts, I think their product line is actually quite well-balanced and can help regulate various bodily processes. However, you can find identical products at local pharmacies for the same price or even cheaper, so you have to decide whether you want to give your money to a pharmacist or to multi-level marketing enthusiasts. I tend to mix and match depending on what's available. It's the same story with Aloe Vera and Noni; they are all wonderful supplemental aids, but please don't expect a cure—they are meant for symptom relief!
If anyone has experience using Psorcutan during the summer (specifically while swimming or sunbathing), please let me know! God bless!
Chris Morgan67 Chris Morgan67 Member
49 messages
joined Jul 2007
#1145 ·
Mark Fox44 said:Has anyone used Psorcutan during the summer? Between swimming and tanning, I'm curious... God!

Psorcutan is just another name for Daivonex; they both contain calcipotriol.

You can use it through the summer, you just need to rinse it off in the morning before you head out into the sun...
Mark Fox44 Mark Fox44 Member
17 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1146 ·
God, Chris Morgan67! It feels like we’re a little light on active folks today. I know Daivonex is essentially the same thing as Psorcutan, though I’ve been using the Daivonex cream rather than the ointment—this actually marks my first summer dealing with this stuff. On a side note, I went ahead and ordered the Psorcutan ointment since it's more budget-friendly and seems to go a lot further. I was wondering, though, if it's safe to use under occlusion? Does that ramp up the effectiveness, or does it just trigger more reactions?
Where has the rest of our crew disappeared to? What's the word on Oct and the other ointment users? And what about that bramble therapy? Has anyone actually tried letting the fish nibble or lick the spots lately...? Come on, people, let's hear it! It's way too hot outside, so get yourselves to the computers!!!
Chris Morgan67 Chris Morgan67 Member
49 messages
joined Jul 2007
#1147 ·
Mark Fox44 said:God, Chris Morgan67! It’s pretty quiet in here today. I know Daivonex is essentially the same as Psorcutan, though I’ve been using the Daivonex cream rather than the ointment, and this is my first summer on this stuff. By the way, I ordered the Psorcutan ointment since it's cheaper and lasts longer. I'm not sure if it can be used under occlusion—does that boost the effect or just the reactions?
Where is everyone else? What happened to Oct and the rest of the ointment crew? And what about that ivy therapy... has anyone actually tried letting fish nibble at it yet? Come on, people, talk to me. It's brutal outside; get back to your computers...

My doctor recommended the Psorcutan ointment over the cream too. It absorbs better and saves money...😬

You can use it under occlusion to enhance the effect. I do it once a week...
Casey Miller9 Casey Miller9 Member
44 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1148 ·
Robert Clark2 said:I've been looking through all your posts, especially the photos, and I honestly think what your son is dealing with is neurodermatitis mixed with some allergies.
Don't shoot the messenger if I'm off base here—doctors mess this stuff up all the time anyway.
As soon as you can get a biopsy done, just do it. It’s the only way to know for sure. Anything else is just guessing around, and that's just risking the kid's health.
Psoriasis doesn't just flare up and vanish that fast.
Keep an eye on his environment—where he hangs out, his clothes, the weather, especially the wind, and even the water.
I mention this because you said it flares up and then clears up quickly.
Usually, when there's a bad asthma attack, the dermatitis retreats, or vice versa.
If I were you, I'd try moving him to a different environment for a bit just to see if things improve.
Right now, this is all just guesswork, which isn't good for the kid or the whole family.
Best regards!

Atopic dermatitis, neurodermatitis, and allergic dermatitis are basically the same thing—or what doctors call a "condition," and conditions are just temporary, right?🙂
We're obviously watching for allergens as much as we can. We actually did a total overhaul of our house and he's doing way better—no more coughing fits or needing the inhaler since we ripped up the carpets and swapped out the plush furniture for leather chairs and other stuff. We got his IgE levels back today to see the allergy count, and it’s 604.75. It's supposed to be between 0.00 and 200.00. Total disaster.😠 But the doctors are stuck because they don't know the cause. Typical, right?
His elbows look about half as bad today as they did in those pictures. It'll probably clear up in 2-3 days since we're bathing him a lot and getting some sun. You're right, Robert Clark2—whenever the wind picks up, things get worse, so the wind must be blowing in allergens. I called the clinic in Miami about the biopsy and we can head down there this Friday, but by then it'll probably be 80% cleared up, so we might not even need the biopsy after all.👎 Later.
copperviper102 copperviper102 Member
38 messages
joined May 2007
#1149 ·
silentheron25 said:Honestly, I haven't seen a single flake since I started showering every day and slathering on the ointment. The fact is, my skin is totally smooth everywhere now, except for some redness where the patches used to be. One patch under my armpit is completely gone too—just regular skin now, doesn't even look different in color from when the patches disappear. My biggest headache right now is just timing everything because my boss is gonna want me back at work, and I honestly just want to stay home in peace and focus entirely on getting this cleared up. The guys at the clinic told me I'm technically cleared to work and that it’s all just "in my head," but man, it really bugs me at my job when I start sweating and I'm already feeling irritated by everything else going on. If I actually manage to kick this thing for good, I don't know how big of a party I'm gonna have to throw to celebrate. 🙂

Don't sweat the work situation, it won't be an issue for you... I was back at the job from the jump and everything went totally fine... nobody even complained about any smell...🙂
The only real struggle is if you're a heavy sleeper like me, then you'll hate having to drag yourself out of bed an hour earlier just to get cleaned up and ready for the shift...
copperviper102 copperviper102 Member
38 messages
joined May 2007
#1150 ·
Checking in from my vacation to give you guys an update on how things are going (using this crappy dial-up connection, so I’m low-key losing my mind here—it takes me like an hour just to read everything and type a reply...👎)
So, here’s the status after 18 days... my head and ears are basically clear, though you can still faintly see those two patches above each ear, but otherwise, it's almost back to my natural skin tone. The only thing is, it doesn't really itch; I feel a little sensation here and there, but honestly, I was expecting more. My chest is pretty much cleared up too... sometimes I glance down and barely see anything, other times a patch looks a bit redder... I don't know what to make of that, but overall, it’s looking good (I'm out here at the beach naked and nobody even asks me what those spots are—though it's hard to see much through this thick forest of hair I've got growing...🤣). Down below, the situation is also better, but only by a tiny margin compared to before... I'm not quite at the finish line yet, especially since that's where the itching is most intense (even with daily washing...🤣). Basically, the progress has slowed down and now it's moving in baby steps, but it feels like it's working... nothing is flaring back up or anything like that. All in all, I'm sticking to the cream routine, and I want to apologize to the members who brought up the photos; I already explained that my patches are in sensitive areas and I wasn't comfortable photographing my head. That's why I'm writing this massive wall of text instead... hope I'm not being annoying...😁 Just so you know, I'll probably call Michael Ramos3's dad tomorrow because I need to grab more ointment, and since my buddy is in New York City, I'll have him pick it up... thank God my company has been so busy in New York City lately, making it easy... With this new packaging, I'm hoping to finally wrap up this therapy... or rather, hopefully, that's what happens...
Oh, and I'm at the beach just like silentheron25, swimming and sunbathing, and I haven't had any crazy reactions, but nothing spectacular has happened in these three days of swimming either, like a sudden jumpstart in recovery (Michael Ramos3 mentioned to me that it would be like I wasn't even using the cream). So, that's all from me, and I'm crossing my fingers for all the users of this cream—hope you guys feel even better than I do...🙏
copperviper102 copperviper102 Member
38 messages
joined May 2007
#1151 ·
Sandra Fox12 said:Hey!
I just read that you actually managed to clear yourself up using that ointment. Congrats! 👍
But seriously, what exactly is this stuff and where can I even get my hands on it? 😕 I've been dealing with scalp psoriasis for about 15 years now... it's always up and down. Right now I'm trying this herbal tea, started just yesterday... I guess we'll see if there's any actual progress or change. But please, tell me everything about the ointment!

Best,
N.

Respect, Nick. You really ought to go back and read through every single post made by Michael Ramos3 because that ointment was his father's recipe, and you'll find every single detail you need right there. As for my own experience, I'm pretty happy with how it worked for me, but honestly, you'd be better off scrolling through my previous posts first. If you want to know how to actually buy the stuff, you're going to have to shoot Michael Ramos3 a private message to get all the logistics. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to post a bit more about what you're dealing with here on the forum so the more experienced folks in this group can give you some pointers—sorry guys, that's just the easiest way I could put it... Robert Clark2, Emergence, Otto (if he shows up), and the rest of them... Cheers...
rapidpanther41 rapidpanther41 Member
47 messages
joined Jun 2007
#1152 ·
Emergence says:
Look, sorry, Michael Ramos3, but I get the feeling you're actually kind of pissed at US because we’re being skeptical about your ointment.

I mean, how are we supposed to believe you’re being totally honest when you bring up God in basically every single post?

Don't get me wrong—I really, truly hope you're telling the truth—but it feels a little weird that you expect us all to just take your word for it, like you've suddenly discovered some miracle cure based solely on your own claims.
We don't know you, we don't know your father, we have no idea what's actually in this stuff, and we don't even know how bad your dad's psoriasis actually was.

All we have is your word that it works, and—with all due respect—that isn't nearly enough to convince me that anything is actually working.
Because, let's face it, people lie for their own gain... every single second of every single hour, all over this planet.

I'm not angry at anyone and I'm definitely not pointing fingers, but life teaches you pretty quickly that when you're at your lowest, help doesn't just come from people acting in the name of God—it also comes from people who are just looking out for themselves. That's why I want to be careful; I don't want my suffering, or the suffering of others dealing with this same condition, to be exploited by people with an agenda. The traumas and the disappointments just keep piling up after endless failed attempts—not to mention the sting you feel if you eventually realize someone used your pain just to line their own pockets.
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1153 ·
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copperviper102 says:
Just checking in from my vacation so you guys know what's happening. I'm using dial-up right now and it's driving me crazy—it takes an hour just to read everything and type a reply...👎 )
After 18 days, here's the status... my head and ears are clear. You can still see those two spots above each ear if you look closely, but the rest is almost back to its natural color. It doesn't really itch, though I feel some minor irritation here and there, but I was expecting more. My chest is basically clear. Sometimes I look down and barely see anything; other times, a spot looks a bit redder. Hard to say, but overall things are good. (I'm at the beach naked and nobody asks me what's up with my patches—though it’s hard to see them through all this body hair I've got...🤣 ) Down below, things are slightly better than before, but just barely. I'm not at the finish line yet, and that's where the itching is worst despite washing daily...🤣 ) Anyway, progress has slowed down. It's moving in small steps now, but it's moving. Nothing is coming back or anything. All in all, I'm sticking to the ointment. I apologize to the members who asked for photos; I already explained that my patches are in sensitive areas and I wasn't going to photograph my head. That's why I'm writing this long update instead. Hope I'm not being annoying...😁 Just so you know, I'll probably call Michael Ramos3's dad tomorrow because I need more ointment, and since my colleague is in New York City, I'll grab it from him. Luckily, my company has been swamped with work in NYC lately. With this new batch, I expect to wrap up the therapy... or rather, hopefully.
Oh, and I'm also at the coast like "Me," swimming and tanning. No major reactions, but nothing spectacular happened in these three days of swimming to speed up recovery (Michael Ramos3 mentioned once that it would be like I wasn't even using the ointment). That's all from me. I'm pulling for everyone using this stuff—hope you all feel even better than I do...🙏


Words are just words.
Sophia Campbell73 Sophia Campbell73 Member
36 messages
joined Jun 2007
#1154 ·
copperviper102 said:Just checking in from my vacation to give you guys an update on how things are going—using dial-up right now, which is driving me absolutely insane... by the time I finish reading everything and typing this out, an hour will have passed...👎 )
The status after 18 days is basically this... my head and ears are clear, even if those two spots above each ear are still faintly visible, though everything else has almost returned to its natural color... the only thing is, it doesn't itch much. I feel a little itch here and there, but honestly, I was expecting more... my chest is pretty much clear too... sometimes I catch a glimpse during the day and can barely see anything, other times the spot looks a little redder... I don't know what to make of that, but overall, it’s looking good (I'm at the beach naked and nobody's even asking me what those spots are—though it's pretty hard to tell through this thick forest of hair I've got growing...🤣 ) Down below, the situation is also better, though only slightly more than before... I'm not quite at the finish line yet, especially since that area is where it itches the most (despite washing daily... 🤣 ) Basically, the progress has slowed down and now it's moving in tiny increments, but it feels like it's getting there... nothing is coming back or anything... All in all, I'm sticking to the ointment routine and I want to apologize to some of the members who brought up photos; I already explained that my spots are in sensitive areas and I wasn't comfortable photographing my head. So, I'm just writing it all out like this instead... hope I'm not being annoying...😁 Just so you know, I'll probably call Michael Ramos3's dad tomorrow because I need more ointment, and since my colleague is in New York City, I'll take advantage of that... luckily my company has been swamped with work in NYC lately... With this new packaging, I'm hoping to wrap up the therapy... or rather, hopefully, it'll be more accurate to say that...
Oh, and I'm at the coast too, just like "Me," soaking up the sun and swimming without any crazy reactions, though nothing spectacular has happened in these three days of swimming to speed up the recovery (Michael Ramos3 mentioned to me that it'll all be fine whether I use the ointment or not). So, that's all from me—fingers crossed for all the users of this stuff, hoping you all feel even better than I do...🙏

Congrats on the progress, and wishing you all the best! I'll be trying out the ointment myself very soon.
I'm curious, are you still applying the ointment to the areas that are already clear?
Wishing you a wonderful vacation and clear skin for the rest of it!
copperviper102 copperviper102 Member
38 messages
joined May 2007
#1155 ·
Sophia Campbell73 said:Congrats on the progress and wishing you all the best moving forward. I'm planning on trying the ointment myself pretty soon.
I was wondering, if certain areas are already clear, do you guys still keep applying the ointment there?
Hope you have a great break and keep that skin clear through the whole thing!

Look, I’m treating the exact same spots I did on day one... and that’s how I’m gonna keep doing it. It feels a little weird to me too, having to apply it above my forehead when that area cleared up after just five or six days, but I keep putting it on anyway. That's what I was told to do, and honestly, it kind of makes sense if you think about it, right?😁
steelseal13 steelseal13 Member
26 messages
joined Mar 2007
#1156 ·
[QUOTE=copperviper102;8983786......
Just a heads-up—I’ll probably give Michael Ramos3's dad a call tomorrow because I’m running low on ointment. Since my colleague happens to be working up in New York City right now, I might just take advantage of that... honestly, I'm pretty lucky my firm has been landing so much business in NYC lately!.....

Is there any chance my buddy could swing by with an extra tube of the stuff? 🙂
I'm happy to meet him whenever and wherever works best for him—anywhere in the city limits of Chicago would be fine. 🙏 🙏
Angela Parker67 Angela Parker67 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Mar 2007
#1157 ·
copperviper102 said:...my chest is pretty much clear...sometimes I look during the day and barely see anything, then other times the spots look a bit redder.....

....Overall, I'm sticking to the creams. And sorry to those who asked for photos, but like I said before, the spots are in sensitive areas and I'm just not comfortable photographing my head.

Well, you could at least post a photo of your chest then?!🙂
Michael Ramos3 Michael Ramos3 Active Member
196 messages
joined Apr 2007
#1158 ·
Casey Miller9 said:Atopic dermatitis, neurodermatitis, and allergic dermatitis—it's all the same thing. Or what doctors call a "condition." And conditions are temporary, right?🙂
Of course we watch for allergens as much as possible. We overhauled our whole setup and he's doing a lot better. No more coughing fits or nebulizers since we cleared out the area rugs and swapped the plush furniture for leather chairs and other stuff. Just got his IgE levels back today to see the allergy severity. It's at 604.75. Should be between 0.00 and 200.00. A total disaster.😠 Doctors are useless because they can't find the root cause. Typical, isn't it?
The rash on his elbows is half the size it was when I posted those photos. It should clear up in two or three days since we're bathing him a lot and getting some sun. You're right, Robert Clark2, when the wind shifts, things get worse. That means the wind is carrying allergens. Called the clinic in Miami today about the biopsy. We can head in this Friday, but by then 80% of it will probably be gone, making the biopsy pointless anyway.👎 Regards.

Since there aren't any side effects with your kid, I suggest you keep applying it even after the rash clears. Just an idea. If we assume the underlying issue is still there, maybe continuing the application provides enough continuity—enough days of action—to slow down the next flare-up or weaken the intensity while it's still under the skin.
I don't think we have anything to lose, only to gain.
I'm asking everyone else here for suggestions, since this is the first time anyone is testing this ointment on this specific condition.

Willpower, faith, and hard work eventually pay off.

With faith in God,

Regards
copperviper102 copperviper102 Member
38 messages
joined May 2007
#1159 ·
steelseal13;8991475 said:
copperviper102;8983786......
Just a heads up said:


Sent you a PM. Catch ya later...🙂
Robert Clark2 Robert Clark2 Active Member
121 messages
joined Apr 2008
#1160 ·
Michael Ramos3 said:Look, since your kid isn't having any side effects, I say just keep at it! Even after the rash fades, keep applying it. Think about it—if the issue is still lurking under the skin, keeping up the routine might help slow it down or weaken it before it pops back up. It’s all about that consistency, you know? Like staying on a fitness plan even when you feel good.
I honestly think we have nothing to lose and everything to gain here.
I’m calling on everyone else on the board—what do you guys think? This is basically the first time anyone’s testing this ointment on this specific condition.

Hard work, faith, and grit always pay off in the end.

With faith in God,

Best,

Don't go running experiments on your child.

To me, this smells like straight-up advertising.

Hey, Moderator, can you jump in here? If these kinds of posts are against the rules, they should be banned.

Health is the most precious thing we have, and there is way too much at stake to gamble, especially since nobody actually knows how this ointment works on skin disorders.

The way you put it, you're basically using Torlak as a guinea pig.

Now, you're seeing a perfect chance to pitch your product.

Get that ointment registered officially so actual doctors can weigh in, which is a million times more important.

If the Moderator thinks it's necessary, maybe start a poll about this.

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