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restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#4001 ·
Melissa Chavez2 said:Is anyone else taking Helix (or something similar) while still knocking back 2-3 coffees a day and maybe 4 or 5 cigarettes?
I really tried to kick the coffee habit—honestly, I gave it my best shot—but it’s just not happening for me. 😲😲

Listen, in my experience, it really comes down to the individual. Some people find that caffeine and nicotine actually spike their anxiety levels even further, which makes everything feel more intense, but that isn't necessarily because of the Helix itself; it's just how those substances interact with an anxious state. It doesn't change how the medication works. Just stay away from alcohol.
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#4002 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:Thank you; I am acutely aware of all that, but I suppose those of us dealing with anxiety—or at least me—tend to lean toward hypochondria, constantly fearing the next ailment, including potential side effects. I spent a good portion of today spiraling through various forums reading about Zoloft and Valium... one user described experiencing serotonin syndrome from Zoloft, and honestly, how are you even supposed to recognize that? This morning, I woke up completely sleep-deprived and feeling absolutely wretched—intense anxiety coupled with nauseating sensations. Even searching for information on Valium left me shivering with dread, yet I have no idea how to actually fall asleep. I find myself circling back to Mirzaten once again; truthfully, it didn't present many unpleasant side effects—just some grogginess and a bit of weight gain, though only about six pounds. It worked wonders for sleep, but it felt foolish to continue using it while I was also taking Valium. And let me tell you, I could NEVER stomach a higher dose; I stuck strictly to the minimum of 15mg. Perhaps I should have increased it, or maybe I’ll return to it and try a larger dose... when I decided to stop taking it previously, there wasn't any drama, I simply stopped and that was that. Perhaps it isn't such a villain after all. By the way, how is it working for you? Are you also just starting out on Zoloft?

Listen, everyone experiences side effects, but they should subside after about three weeks. If you don't start feeling better, call your doctor immediately so she can prescribe a different antidepressant. Don't go mixing things with Mirzaten until you speak with her. If you feel awful, just take your Xanax; that is perfectly standard practice during the first month. You can take it before bed so the anxiety doesn't hit you in the middle of the night.

Look, Samuel is generally fine. That list of side effects looks intimidating on paper, but if you take it and go straight to bed, you'll fall asleep and that's that. You shouldn't experience any major issues. Just don't take it alongside Xanax. It shouldn't be a problem for you, but every body processes medication differently, so you never truly know—not that you'll die, God forbid, but you might just feel a bit groggy in the morning.
restlesstrucker15 restlesstrucker15 Regular
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#4003 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:I think I’ll run it by my doctor—maybe swap out the valium for Praxiten, perhaps even to help with sleep...

Look, let me be blunt: Circadin is essentially useless. It doesn't do anything for me. Perhaps it might work for someone who has never even touched psychotropic medication in their life, especially regarding sleep issues. Don't waste your money buying it. If you're curious, just go to a local pharmacy, pick up the cheapest melatonin available, and try that; you'll see how it goes. This Circadin is just a timed-release version of melatonin, but that extended release won't matter one bit if it fails to actually put you to sleep. In any case, standard melatonin is available over-the-counter without a prescription.

Well, I am not entirely certain why, but there must be a reason behind this approach. My physician insists that it is better to avoid using anxiolytics or sedatives for sleep, opting exclusively for hypnotics instead. Personally, I have found that neither Praxiten nor Normabel—nor any of those other options—ever truly helped me sleep, even back when I was a student and used them occasionally; they were completely ineffective for that purpose. You should certainly consult your doctor to get her professional opinion.

In any event, there is a higher probability that Praxiten might induce sleep, and it could arguably be more effective for that specific goal than Xanax, though it might feel a bit heavy since Praxiten tends to last longer than Normabel.

As for tapering off Sanval... Listen, if you find it difficult to do halfway, ask your doctor to prescribe a different hypnotic. Ideally, Zan would be the best choice simply because it carries the lowest risk of dependency, though you could also try Cerson. Generally speaking, they are milder than Sanval, though they may not necessarily knock you out. For me, both are completely ineffective; currently, I am transitioning away from Dormicum and attempting to fall asleep using 10 mg of Sanval, though that has become quite difficult lately. Ultimately, my advice would be to try anything else besides Dormicum—not because it is inherently bad or harmful, but because once you develop a tolerance to it, there isn't really a stronger hypnotic on the market to turn to.

If you are seeing a private specialist, they might be able to provide you with some sample packs so you can test them before they commit to a full prescription.
granitepilot13 granitepilot13 Newcomer
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#4004 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:I think I’ll run it by my doctor—maybe swap out the valium for Praxiten, perhaps even to help with sleep...

Please, for the love of God, don't do Paxil. That stuff is pure evil.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#4005 ·
granitepilot13 said:Please, for the love of God, don't do Paxil. That stuff is pure evil.

Look, I’ve spent countless hours lately scouring various online forums, reading endless threads about medications, and it seems like every single one of them gets branded as the ultimate evil... which, if we are being honest, might actually be the case. Personally, I used to take Paxil, and honestly, it worked wonders for me—I’d just take a single dose before bed and call it a night. But then, I transitioned over to Sanval, and now? Now it feels like a much more sinister beast. I find myself binge-eating in the middle of the night, half the time I can’t even remember what happened, and I get this lingering, unsettling sensation that it’s nothing short of a hard drug. Yet, despite that feeling, I’ve been relying on it for four years now, and I’m finally at the point where I desperately want to break free from it.
Melissa Chavez2 Melissa Chavez2 Newcomer
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#4006 ·
restlesstrucker15 said:Listen, in my experience, it really comes down to the individual. Some people find that caffeine and nicotine actually spike their anxiety levels even further, which makes everything feel more intense, but that isn't necessarily because of the Helix itself; it's just how those substances interact with an anxious state. It doesn't change how the medication works. Just stay away from alcohol.

Thanks!
I mean, I read somewhere that you shouldn't mix coffee and smoking at all... but I'm not like, a heavy smoker or anything, just someone who smokes for the occasional buzz, so I figured it wouldn't be a huge deal.
As for alcohol, I've never touched the stuff in my entire life... so at least I don't have to worry about that part.
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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#4007 ·
I was on Haldol for quite a while... and honestly, it was a total nightmare. I felt completely disconnected from myself, like I could barely even move. It was just awful.
With Zyprexa, things started off okay, but then the weight gain hit me hard—I put on over 40 pounds once I started taking it. On top of that, I felt totally numb, like all my emotions were just gone. It was this hollow, empty feeling that was really unsettling. Eventually, though, it stopped working for me, and those psychotic episodes started creeping back in.
Then they put me on Risset, and later transitioned me over to Risperdal Const. I’m actually functioning relatively well on that combo now. I still get the occasional bout of psychosis, but whenever things start to spiral, they give me a Risset tablet, and I’m usually back to feeling okay pretty quickly.
Through all of this, I’ve been through the ringer with antidepressants, sedatives, and various other antipsychotics.
Zoloft, Effexor, Faverin, Misar, Helix, Prazin, Akineton, Prozac, Sanval (which used to make me see these weird blobs on the floor and ceiling, so I’d end up jumping at them from my bunk bed)... yeah, I've tried just about everything.
After dealing with all that, I kind of lost sight of myself and my life. Nothing seemed to matter when I was constantly drugged up 24/7 on all that stuff. :\

Right now, my regimen is Prozac, Risperdal Const, Akineton, and Prazin as needed.
I’m really hoping I won't have to be on this for much longer.

Edit: Just to be clear, I mean taking my prescribed therapy, not anything else. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#4008 ·
Eric Mitchell55 said:I was on Haldol for quite a while... and honestly, it was a total nightmare. I felt completely disconnected from myself, like I could barely even move. It was just awful.
With Zyprexa, things started off okay, but then the weight gain hit me hard—I put on over 40 pounds once I started taking it. On top of that, I felt totally numb, like all my emotions were just gone. It was this hollow, empty feeling that was really unsettling. Eventually, though, it stopped working for me, and those psychotic episodes started creeping back in.
Then they put me on Risset, and later transitioned me over to Risperdal Const. I’m actually functioning relatively well on that combo now. I still get the occasional bout of psychosis, but whenever things start to spiral, they give me a Risset tablet, and I’m usually back to feeling okay pretty quickly.
Through all of this, I’ve been through the ringer with antidepressants, sedatives, and various other antipsychotics.
Zoloft, Effexor, Faverin, Misar, Helix, Prazin, Akineton, Prozac, Sanval (which used to make me see these weird blobs on the floor and ceiling, so I’d end up jumping at them from my bunk bed)... yeah, I've tried just about everything.
After dealing with all that, I kind of lost sight of myself and my life. Nothing seemed to matter when I was constantly drugged up 24/7 on all that stuff. :\

Right now, my regimen is Prozac, Risperdal Const, Akineton, and Prazin as needed.
I’m really hoping I won't have to be on this for much longer.

Edit: Just to be clear, I mean taking my prescribed therapy, not anything else. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea.

Hmm, I take Sanval too, and it’s no good for me because it triggers those late-night binge eating sessions, but what on earth is one supposed to take just to get some sleep? What are you using for sleep these days?
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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#4009 ·
Jason Vaughn482 said:Hmm, I take Sanval too, and it’s no good for me because it triggers those late-night binge eating sessions, but what on earth is one supposed to take just to get some sleep? What are you using for sleep these days?

I find that taking Prazina helps quite a bit, so I'll have some before bed every now and then just to make falling asleep a little easier.🙂
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#4010 ·
Here is a list of medications used to treat insomnia

Hypnotics and Sedatives

flurazepam – Valium
midazolam – Dalmane
nitrazepam – Cerson

Benzodiazepine-related drugs
zolpidem – Sanval

Other hypnotics and sedatives
valerian (approved) – Persen

Anxiolytics

Benzodiazepine derivatives
alprazolam – Helex, Xanax, Xanax SR
bromazepam – Lekotam, Lexaurin, Lexillium
diazepam – Apaurin, Diazepam, Diazepam Desitin, Normabel, Valium
lorazepam – Lorsilan
medazepam – Ansilan
oxazepam – Oxazepam, Praxiten antipsychotic

Antipsychotics

Antiepileptics


http://www.psychiatry.com/MATURANT...ihofarmaci.pdf
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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#4011 ·
I hear you, but my psychiatrist mentioned that Diazepam is frequently prescribed just to help take the edge off, so that’s what I use for calming down.
I usually take it right before bed, and it really helps me settle in.
I tried Flunitrazepam once—honestly, it did absolutely nothing for me.
Then there was the time I took Valium and ended up having hallucinations, which was pretty scary.
Valium didn't work for me either.
Xanax didn't seem to have any effect at all, and Normabel was super weak. For me, Diazepam is just right.
George Allen71 George Allen71 Active Member
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#4012 ·
What exactly makes antipsychotics different from empty placebos?
hiddenwalker30 hiddenwalker30 Active Member
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#4013 ·
My psychiatrist just put me on a regimen of half a Zyprexa pill daily along with some Diazepam. Since I’m starting this today, I was wondering if anyone here has firsthand experience with these? Any particular side effects I should be looking out for?
Matthew White4 Matthew White4 Active Member
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#4014 ·
My gums felt like absolute nothing—seriously, zero sensation, just total numbness... Like I was chewing on Tic Tacs or something. For sleep, I usually go with either 20mg of Ambien or 30mg of Lunesta. And yeah, obviously I end up inhaling everything in sight every single night, but honestly? I have no clue I’ve even eaten until I start finding crumbs and leftovers everywhere the next morning, haha
Matthew White4 Matthew White4 Active Member
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#4015 ·
hiddenwalker30 said:My psychiatrist just put me on a regimen of half a Zyprexa pill daily along with some Diazepam. Since I’m starting this today, I was wondering if anyone here has firsthand experience with these? Any particular side effects I should be looking out for?

Look, you can always check the fine print on the pharmacy printout, but honestly, everyone reacts to meds differently. Don't let the anxiety get to you about starting them—they were prescribed for a reason, so just take it one step at a time...
Matthew White4 Matthew White4 Active Member
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joined Dec 2008
#4016 ·
I basically checked myself into a hotel room just to pass out from the Cerson😢
...
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
236 messages
joined Jan 2013
#4017 ·
George Allen71 said:What exactly makes antipsychotics different from empty placebos?

They are, yeah, but I've heard they get prescribed for calming people down too.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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joined Jul 2012
#4018 ·
Matthew White4 said:My gums felt like absolute nothing—seriously, zero sensation, just total numbness... Like I was chewing on Tic Tacs or something. For sleep, I usually go with either 20mg of Ambien or 30mg of Lunesta. And yeah, obviously I end up inhaling everything in sight every single night, but honestly? I have no clue I’ve even eaten until I start finding crumbs and leftovers everywhere the next morning, haha

See, this is the exact issue that keeps me up at night with anxiety; after I take my Sanval, I seemingly drift into this half-conscious state where I just get up and start raiding the pantry, only to wake up the next morning with absolutely no memory of it or just a heavy, lingering brain fog. Last night, I actually ended up making a whole beef stew... I am truly at a loss for what to do. I have no desire to put on weight, especially since my diet during the day is perfectly normal; if it weren't for these midnight binges, everything would be just fine.
Jason Vaughn482 Jason Vaughn482 Regular
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#4019 ·
fadedbear92 said:Here is a list of medications used to treat insomnia

Hypnotics and Sedatives

flurazepam – Valium
midazolam – Dalmane
nitrazepam – Cerson

Benzodiazepine-related drugs
zolpidem – Sanval

Other hypnotics and sedatives
valerian (approved) – Persen

Anxiolytics

Benzodiazepine derivatives
alprazolam – Helex, Xanax, Xanax SR
bromazepam – Lekotam, Lexaurin, Lexillium
diazepam – Apaurin, Diazepam, Diazepam Desitin, Normabel, Valium
lorazepam – Lorsilan
medazepam – Ansilan
oxazepam – Oxazepam, Praxiten antipsychotic

Antipsychotics

Antiepileptics


http://www.psychiatry.com/MATURANT...ihofarmaci.pdf

It is quite a curious predicament when one finds that Valium and Cerson offer absolutely zero relief, especially considering this was my very first encounter with them; I attempted them for the first time and felt nothing at all—they fail to induce even a hint of sleep. Subsequently, I turned to Sanval; while I previously managed with 5 mg, I have now increased the dose to 10 mg, which allows me to drift off and remain asleep for a considerable duration, yet the experience is utterly ghastly because I find myself waking up in the middle of the night to eat without any conscious recollection of doing so. It is as if I am living a double life in my sleep, and I am desperate to break free from this cycle. Now, I am contemplating whether an Antipsychotic might provide the stability I need, perhaps allowing me to transition away from Xanax toward something else? I recall using it for sleep once, back before I had started any other regimen, where taking just one in the evening sufficed perfectly... at that time, anxiety wasn't an issue, merely a mild bout of insomnia. Oh, and I nearly forgot to mention Dormicum, which is a substance I have absolutely no desire to ever experiment with.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#4020 ·
George Allen71 said:What exactly makes antipsychotics different from empty placebos?

True, though they possess a distinct sedative component.😉

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