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Scott Alvarez22 Scott Alvarez22 Member
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joined Feb 2013
#5441 ·


I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
236 messages
joined Jan 2013
#5442 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:I pretty much tossed everything else aside except for my Ativan—I’m hooked on that stuff, and honestly, I’d feel fine enough to take a selfie right now. My next goal is finally weaning off it and, if God wills it, getting to a point where I can take something for anxiety OCCASIONALLY, instead of every few hours like I have been. 🙄

If you don't mind, I'd love to hear more about that theory of yours in a DM. 🙂

Gosh, I’m taking Misar right now too, and I’m actually a bit worried about becoming dependent on it—that’s the last thing I need. So, I’m trying to keep my doses as low as I possibly can.

Check your PM 🙂
redranger2 redranger2 Active Member
248 messages
joined Aug 2008
#5443 ·
That’s precisely why I don't hold it against him, though the reality remains that I stumbled into his office by mistake six years ago, and now I find myself entirely dependent on both him and his prescriptions.
How exactly do you define that, Fate?

I would personally characterize it as a series of unfortunate coincidences. I am truly sorry you had to go through that.
Before my own psychiatrist ever prescribed me medication, he made sure to run me through an exhaustive battery of tests and screenings just to rule out any underlying organic issues. However, I can't say for certain if I would have been in your exact position regarding the ear issue, or if he even could have detected it.

Don't go thinking that all psychiatrists are bad or out to bleed you dry. My doctor
has actually turned down payment from me before, knowing my financial situation isn't exactly ideal. As for veterinarians, we have four cats, so our vet doesn't bother offering us premium gourmet food, and we aren't exactly social buddies with him either. I understand what you're going through, but please believe me when I say there are still
plenty of decent people left in this world.😉
Scott Alvarez22 Scott Alvarez22 Member
30 messages
joined Feb 2013
#5444 ·
My doctor is trying to convince me that Mirzaten and Velafax are essentially identical, just coming from different manufacturers!
Does anyone actually buy that?
redranger2 redranger2 Active Member
248 messages
joined Aug 2008
#5445 ·
Scott Alvarez22 said:My doctor is trying to convince me that Mirzaten and Velafax are essentially identical, just coming from different manufacturers!
Does anyone actually buy that?

Hardly. I’ve personally used both, and they served entirely different purposes—one was my go-to for insomnia, while the other was prescribed to pull me out of a depressive slump.
Do yourself a favor and look up their chemical compositions on Google before you take their word for it.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
joined Feb 2010
#5446 ·
Scott Alvarez22 said:


I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?

I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?

I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?
Maybe it's Fate, or maybe it's just a mix of an incompetent doctor and you not knowing how to explain what you're feeling properly.

Eric Mitchell55 said:Gosh, I’m taking Misar right now too, and I’m actually a bit worried about becoming dependent on it—that’s the last thing I need. So, I’m trying to keep my doses as low as I possibly can.

Check your PM 🙂

Man, I have such a love-hate relationship with Helex. Just waiting for the day I wake up and don't "have" to take it. 😁
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5447 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.


That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?

I’m not trying to sound like I’m out here playing defense for psychiatrists, but honestly, how was your doctor supposed to catch a physical issue if your own GP sent you straight to them instead of referring you to a specialist?

And besides, nobody was forcing those pills down your throat; you always had the option to just not take them, even if they were on the prescription.

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?
Maybe it's Fate, or maybe it's just a mix of an incompetent doctor and you not knowing how to explain what you're feeling properly.

Man, I have such a love-hate relationship with Helex. Just waiting for the day I wake up and don't "have" to take it. 😁

That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?
Maybe it's Fate, or maybe it's just a mix of an incompetent doctor and you not knowing how to explain what you're feeling properly.

Man, I have such a love-hate relationship with Helex. Just waiting for the day I wake up and don't "have" to take it. 😁
I only ended up taking 2mg of Misar today...
It’s not the end of the world.
I'm really hoping I can eventually taper down to 1mg and just find a way to deal with things without it.😁
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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joined Feb 2010
#5448 ·
Eric Mitchell55 said:That’s why I didn't hold it against him, but it remains an undeniable fact that I ended up in that office by mistake six years ago, and now I’m stuck being dependent on both him and the medication.
What do you call that—Fate?

Maybe it's Fate, or maybe it's just a mix of an incompetent doctor and you not knowing how to explain what you're feeling properly.

Man, I have such a love-hate relationship with Helex. Just waiting for the day I wake up and don't "have" to take it. 😁
I only ended up taking 2mg of Misar today...
It’s not the end of the world.
I'm really hoping I can eventually taper down to 1mg and just find a way to deal with things without it.😁
I'm on 2mg too, but I split it up into four 0.25 doses. If I'm flying solo, I'll just knock back 0.50 in the morning and then basically "fast" until my next 0.25 dose.
Got this totally ridiculous schedule when I actually take it 🤦
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
251 messages
joined Oct 2012
#5449 ·
I have that same love-hate relationship with Lexapro. Just waiting for the day I can finally wake up and not feel like I "have" to take it. 😁
Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
joined Feb 2010
#5450 ·
Paul Newman5 said:I have that same love-hate relationship with Lexapro. Just waiting for the day I can finally wake up and not feel like I "have" to take it. 😁

Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂
Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂
Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂
Look, I'm basically volunteering myself for this experiment. Someone just needs to toss a million bucks my way first, then we can really see if things start looking up.😛
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
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joined Oct 2012
#5451 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂

Same here. Signed. I’ve been on Muhammad Ali for about three months now. I wake up feeling bitter, disappointed, and anxious, and this is the first thing I reach for. If only some miracle happened and that day actually comes. I’d love being off it more than winning the Powerball... though maybe those millions would suddenly make us healthy enough to enjoy it. 😂
Look, I'm basically volunteering myself for this experiment. Someone just needs to toss a million bucks my way first, then we can really see if things start looking up.😛
Look, I'm basically volunteering myself for this experiment. Someone just needs to toss a million bucks my way first, then we can really see if things start looking up.😛
Honestly, I’d love to join that experiment too, but nobody ever calls on me. The numbers are always hovering around, but they're never the real deal, even when I play occasionally. Imagine if I actually got hooked on that. That would be way too much.🤣It's evening, so everyone seems a bit more upbeat... at least to me. But mornings? In the morning, I'm definitely not laughing. Just this.🙂
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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joined Feb 2010
#5452 ·
My morning was a total wash thanks to what people around here call a "hangover," but honestly, the evening isn't much better because then the Sunday scaries start kicking in. Late afternoon is the only decent part of the day. Between 5 and 8 🙂
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
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joined Oct 2012
#5453 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:My morning was a total wash thanks to what people around here call a "hangover," but honestly, the evening isn't much better because then the Sunday scaries start kicking in. Late afternoon is the only decent part of the day. Between 5 and 8 🙂

It’s like living two different lives. From the morning until maybe 11 AM, I'm just a nervous wreck, terrified and lost. Once noon hits, it's like a switch flips. I'm actually functional and upbeat. It's not like I'm on antidepressants or anything, just this crushing anxiety every morning where I'm convinced I'll get sicker, lose my mind, or get fired from my job. That's the fear. I've even thought about switching to a night shift—doing chores and cooking while the world sleeps so I can sleep during the day... but people say
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
656 messages
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#5454 ·
So why aren't you on any AT&T? Have you even tried them before? What's the diagnosis they gave you anyway?
Honestly, I've been through three different AT&T prescriptions so far, and only the first one did anything at all. The other two? Total zero.
Steven Martin13 Steven Martin13 Member
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#5455 ·
Timothy Wood38 said:I think I made myself clear enough in my last post. I really don't want to get dragged into further debates, especially the kind based on hearsay or "I read it on a forum" logic. If you want to know why benzodiazepines are among the most useful tools in clinical practice, go do some actual research. Most of your other posts are contradictory and frankly, quite unserious. Do a little digging. Certain antidepressants are FDA-approved specifically for anxiety disorders and are considered first-line treatments. And this thing you're saying about an AP at 200 mg? It just highlights how much misinformation you're spreading. What about drug classes, potency, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, and all that? Look, I'm no medical expert, but I still can't justify someone spreading such unfounded and reckless nonsense.

I honestly feel like I have to respond to this. I’ll admit, I’m not exactly the best at explaining complex science on internet forums, but I’ll try to be as precise as I can.

1. No one has ever truly proven the efficacy of antidepressants—and by that, I mean SSRIs, the ones that target serotonin. In a living human being, you simply CANNOT measure serotonin levels in a way that provides meaningful data, because everyone has their own unique baseline; there is NO modern medical test that can just scan your brain and say, "Oh, we've increased the sensitivity of your neurons to serotonin." All those studies funded by Big Pharma? To me, that sounds like fairy tales for children. It’s all subjective: if you feel like it helps, it helps; if it doesn't, it doesn't.

2. Regarding the Antipsychotic (AP) vs. Antidepressant (AD) comparison.
The reason I used that comparison was to give you a clearer picture of why certain medications are indicated for specific issues.
Just as ADs are indicated for obsessive thoughts, anxiety, and depression, APs are indicated for insomnia and anxiety (in lower doses), depression, and—at higher doses—various types of psychosis (though calling it a "schizophrenia cure" isn't quite right).

3. Benzodiazepines are "miracle" drugs because, let's face it, nothing works better in the short term. But there's no debate about their utility because they merely mask symptoms rather than addressing the underlying cause. Their massive Achilles' heel is addiction, which is the "spoiled child" of pharmacology—it ends up magnifying the very symptoms you were trying to fix. If you're "lucky" enough to experience that, you'll feel it firsthand.

4. APs are often prescribed for anxiety, which frequently goes hand-in-hand with insomnia, and that is the go-to choice for many psychiatrists. They can have side effects on your bloodwork or organs, so regular monitoring is a must. However, a huge advantage is that they aren't addictive and don't trigger a massive rebound of symptoms when you stop taking them.

If you really want to dive deep, we can talk extensively about the mechanisms of action for ADs, APs, and benz, but please—don't call something "unfounded" unless you actually have the arguments to back it up.

If you're choosing benz over APs based purely on personal preference, then fine. Of course you're going to look for reasons to convince yourself that benz are these "magic pills" or "super useful" just to justify your choice. That's just human psychology at work—unfortunately, the truth usually lies somewhere else entirely.
Brandon Lopez6 Brandon Lopez6 Regular
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#5456 ·
Just wanted to jump in here—for intrusive thoughts, you actually want to look at AP, not AT&T.
Steven Martin13 Steven Martin13 Member
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joined Jan 2013
#5457 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:Just wanted to jump in here—for intrusive thoughts, you actually want to look at AP, not AT&T.

I honestly just stick to what's listed under the official indications for the medication—for instance, Social Security guidelines note that certain meds are prescribed specifically for OCD.

In my case, I was actually prescribed an antipsychotic on an as-needed basis for those exact kinds of thoughts, mostly because they just seem to hit harder and work more effectively. 🙂
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
197 messages
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#5458 ·
Steven Martin13 said:I honestly feel like I have to respond to this. I’ll admit, I’m not exactly the best at explaining complex science on internet forums, but I’ll try to be as precise as I can.

1. No one has ever truly proven the efficacy of antidepressants—and by that, I mean SSRIs, the ones that target serotonin. In a living human being, you simply CANNOT measure serotonin levels in a way that provides meaningful data, because everyone has their own unique baseline; there is NO modern medical test that can just scan your brain and say, "Oh, we've increased the sensitivity of your neurons to serotonin." All those studies funded by Big Pharma? To me, that sounds like fairy tales for children. It’s all subjective: if you feel like it helps, it helps; if it doesn't, it doesn't.

2. Regarding the Antipsychotic (AP) vs. Antidepressant (AD) comparison.
The reason I used that comparison was to give you a clearer picture of why certain medications are indicated for specific issues.
Just as ADs are indicated for obsessive thoughts, anxiety, and depression, APs are indicated for insomnia and anxiety (in lower doses), depression, and—at higher doses—various types of psychosis (though calling it a "schizophrenia cure" isn't quite right).

3. Benzodiazepines are "miracle" drugs because, let's face it, nothing works better in the short term. But there's no debate about their utility because they merely mask symptoms rather than addressing the underlying cause. Their massive Achilles' heel is addiction, which is the "spoiled child" of pharmacology—it ends up magnifying the very symptoms you were trying to fix. If you're "lucky" enough to experience that, you'll feel it firsthand.

4. APs are often prescribed for anxiety, which frequently goes hand-in-hand with insomnia, and that is the go-to choice for many psychiatrists. They can have side effects on your bloodwork or organs, so regular monitoring is a must. However, a huge advantage is that they aren't addictive and don't trigger a massive rebound of symptoms when you stop taking them.

If you really want to dive deep, we can talk extensively about the mechanisms of action for ADs, APs, and benz, but please—don't call something "unfounded" unless you actually have the arguments to back it up.

If you're choosing benz over APs based purely on personal preference, then fine. Of course you're going to look for reasons to convince yourself that benz are these "magic pills" or "super useful" just to justify your choice. That's just human psychology at work—unfortunately, the truth usually lies somewhere else entirely.

Yeah, I agree that you struggle with articulating things, and frankly, most of your posts lack any foundation—you're mostly just talking nonsense.

1. Of course the efficacy of antidepressants is proven. For any drug to hit the market, it has to undergo a mountain of research and testing, specifically regarding its effectiveness.

2. There is a difference between an approved clinical indication from a relevant regulatory body and so-called "off-label" use. One is based on rigorous studies used for approval; the other is not. Not a single AP on the market is officially approved for treating insomnia or anxiety disorders.

3. I’ve said enough about benzodiazepines.

4. Again, just read what I wrote under point number two.

And I'll say it again: I'm no pharmacologist, but I know the pharmaceutical industry inside and out. I don't want to get dragged into endless scientific debates, and I really hope this is the last time I have to answer your nonsense.

p.s. I'm a guy.
Paul Newman5 Paul Newman5 Regular
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joined Oct 2012
#5459 ·
Brandon Lopez6 said:So why aren't you on any AT&T? Have you even tried them before? What's the diagnosis they gave you anyway?
Honestly, I've been through three different AT&T prescriptions so far, and only the first one did anything at all. The other two? Total zero.

Been through three Adidas myself. Lexapro, Lexus, and Wellbutrin—couldn't tell you which was worse. They all just left me wired. That kind of restlessness where you can't sit still, pacing the house like a caged animal, plus this constant burning sensation in my chest, right over my heart. My psychiatrist actually told me to stop taking them and try psychotherapy and willpower instead. So, I'm just fighting the good fight with Prozac nation. Not going back to my old shrink, and honestly, I'm not even sure if I want a new one. Living in a small town makes getting to any decent hospital a hassle. I work, I have an ExxonMobil family to look after, so things are functioning somehow. Probably mostly thanks to the Prozac, though I know that isn't a real fix. Might end up back on meds later, who knows. Been looking into alternative stuff lately. Seems silly, but when you're drowning, you grab at any straw. We'll see. I've been on edge since this morning, but I have to finish lunch. Once noon hits, maybe I'll be a different person.
Angela Patel79 Angela Patel79 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Feb 2012
#5460 ·
Hey,
My doctor just added 10mg of Olanzapine at night to my current meds.

How long does it actually take for an AP like this to really kick in and start working consistently, rather than just making me sleepy right after I take it? Thanks

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