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redtiger35 redtiger35 Member
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#6641 ·
I’m currently on 15 mg of Lexapro, plus 0.5 mg of Ativan and 0.5 mg of Klonopin at night because I’m trying to wean myself off the Ativan. Honestly, I have to admit that these meds are basically my lifeline. I’ve been on Escitalopram for over a year now, and the biggest win has been the massive drop in my anxiety, phobias, and panic attacks—like, HUGE improvement there—whereas the depression hasn't budged as much. It's still definitely there, just with fewer suicidal thoughts hanging around. The meds pretty much keep me at some kind of semi-functional baseline so I can actually get through the day. My libido has definitely taken a hit, but if I really want to 😁 🤷 I seriously can, though I haven't felt genuinely "horny" in forever—I don't even remember when it was last. Not that I really care about my sex drive right now, since I'm mostly just focused on surviving day-to-day. (I mean, for someone dealing with major depression, a lower libido or putting on a little weight feels like the least of my worries.) I have gained some weight, sure, but my appetite is great and I sleep like a baby. I see my psychiatrist about once a month now because I can't really afford more than that, though twice a month would probably be the sweet spot for me. Psychotherapy is such a huge deal, and honestly, I don't think anyone should be relying on medication without consistent, ongoing therapy to back it up.

God, help us all.
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
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#6642 ·
redtiger35 said:I’m currently on 15 mg of Lexapro, plus 0.5 mg of Ativan and 0.5 mg of Klonopin at night because I’m trying to wean myself off the Ativan. Honestly, I have to admit that these meds are basically my lifeline. I’ve been on Escitalopram for over a year now, and the biggest win has been the massive drop in my anxiety, phobias, and panic attacks—like, HUGE improvement there—whereas the depression hasn't budged as much. It's still definitely there, just with fewer suicidal thoughts hanging around. The meds pretty much keep me at some kind of semi-functional baseline so I can actually get through the day. My libido has definitely taken a hit, but if I really want to 😁 🤷 I seriously can, though I haven't felt genuinely "horny" in forever—I don't even remember when it was last. Not that I really care about my sex drive right now, since I'm mostly just focused on surviving day-to-day. (I mean, for someone dealing with major depression, a lower libido or putting on a little weight feels like the least of my worries.) I have gained some weight, sure, but my appetite is great and I sleep like a baby. I see my psychiatrist about once a month now because I can't really afford more than that, though twice a month would probably be the sweet spot for me. Psychotherapy is such a huge deal, and honestly, I don't think anyone should be relying on medication without consistent, ongoing therapy to back it up.

God, help us all.

Wait... using clonazepam to get off Ativan?

Look, I'm no expert, so take this with a grain of salt, but Ativan is a total breeze compared to clonazepam in every single way—especially when it comes to physical dependency.

I managed to quit 3mg of xanax and 20mg of Inderal without any issues and without swapping meds. With xanax and Inderal, you build up a tolerance incredibly fast. They just stop working. But quitting (well, for me it wasn't even a "quit," I just stopped because they weren't doing anything anymore).
With clonazepam, though, you can stay on the same dose for years and practically never build a tolerance... but the withdrawal is... 🤮

When I tried the same tapering method with clonazepam that I used for xanax and Inderal, I ended up in the ER. My arms and legs were basically going numb from the withdrawal crisis. I almost went blind. The pain kept me from sleeping. I was pacing around because it felt like something was eating my muscles from the inside out. Like those junkies you see in movies going through heroin withdrawal.

Don't get me wrong, clonazepam is a good drug... it's actually great... provided you realize you'll probably be on it for the rest of your life and there won't be a time when you ever have to try to quit.
redtiger35 redtiger35 Member
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#6643 ·
Hmm... yeah, that’s what I was prescribed too, mostly because I’ve straight-up become a Xanax junkie, and honestly, I can only take your word for it on tapering off the Klonopin—I’m definitely no expert here. It’s actually kind of hard to wrap my head around when I read this stuff because Klonopin feels pretty weak to me; I can always tell the difference between it and Xanax, which is the one I know I can rely on whenever I really need to chill out or pass out.

Back when I first started, I asked around about how Klonopin works, and everyone just chimed in saying it hits way lighter than Xanax or that it’s just weaker overall. But hey, that's just info, right? I trust my psychiatrist completely and I’m taking everything exactly as prescribed, so I’m really just sharing my own experience. For me, Klonopin definitely feels weaker; when I first started taking it, I barely felt a thing, and zero side effects. To be honest, I haven't had any major issues with any of the meds they've put me on.

How long were you on the Klonopin and what kind of doses are we talking? Since I built up a tolerance to Xanax, I actually started bumping up my doses on my own, so now I’ve got the Klonopin with instructions to slowly taper down the Xanax until I'm totally off it.

Also, how did the Klonopin stack up against xanax for you?
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
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#6644 ·
redtiger35 said:Hmm... yeah, that’s what I was prescribed too, mostly because I’ve straight-up become a Xanax junkie, and honestly, I can only take your word for it on tapering off the Klonopin—I’m definitely no expert here. It’s actually kind of hard to wrap my head around when I read this stuff because Klonopin feels pretty weak to me; I can always tell the difference between it and Xanax, which is the one I know I can rely on whenever I really need to chill out or pass out.

Back when I first started, I asked around about how Klonopin works, and everyone just chimed in saying it hits way lighter than Xanax or that it’s just weaker overall. But hey, that's just info, right? I trust my psychiatrist completely and I’m taking everything exactly as prescribed, so I’m really just sharing my own experience. For me, Klonopin definitely feels weaker; when I first started taking it, I barely felt a thing, and zero side effects. To be honest, I haven't had any major issues with any of the meds they've put me on.

How long were you on the Klonopin and what kind of doses are we talking? Since I built up a tolerance to Xanax, I actually started bumping up my doses on my own, so now I’ve got the Klonopin with instructions to slowly taper down the Xanax until I'm totally off it.

Also, how did the Klonopin stack up against xanax for you?

Rivotril is "weaker" in the sense that you don't get that high, drugged-out feeling (which, if I'm being honest, I actually liked sometimes with Xanax 😛 😁). But it actually works more intensely. It clears the fog in your head without you even realizing it's happening. It hits my motor skills, too. Without it, I'm a total klutz. As soon as I realize I'm struggling to even hold a glass, I'll take a quarter—like half a milligram.

Normally, I'm at the max daily dose: 6mg a day split into three 2mg doses. But I usually break those down differently depending on how I feel. Sometimes I'll take a full dose in the morning, sometimes a half in the afternoon, sometimes just a tiny bit.
My psychiatrist actually suggested this approach—just adjusting based on how I'm feeling.

With Xanax, I used to feel totally wasted... basically non-functional.
Rivotril is more like a stabilizer; it almost lifts my mood. I can't even put it into words. On Xanax, I could do nothing but sit there and smoke cigarette after cigarette...
If I have housework to do, I make sure to take Rivotril so it can steady my brain. Again, hard to describe. Once it kicks in, I just look around the apartment, see where things belong, and clean up the mess without any stress or agitation.
redtiger35 redtiger35 Member
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#6645 ·
Benzos hit me the same way, especially at first with that total head rush, though that's dialed back now; still, once I hit the sack, I can definitely feel my muscles just giving out and drifting off.

You're definitely taking more than I am, since I only pop half or a quarter of a Clonazepam at night—just a 0.5 mg pill. I've heard people talk about that mental fog where everything feels scrambled, but I don't really get that sensation myself... I think I'll check in with my doctor next time about the Clonazepam and see if I should just quit altogether, especially since I've only been on it for a few months.

It might just be the original issue that made getting off these things so damn hard in the first place, like something the Clonazepam is forced to regulate; if you're feeling it in your motor skills even without it, that's telling.
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#6646 ·
To be perfectly honest, I found Clonazepam quite effective—if you’ll allow me to use that particular phrasing—because it helped me feel less... "normal," if you catch my drift. Now that you've all brought it up again, it's actually ringing a bell; I think I might go back to my therapist and ask about getting it on my regimen again. She had originally intended to prescribe it, but she ultimately had second thoughts at the last minute. So, thanks for the nudge.🙂 make peace not love🙂
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#6647 ·
Kevin Bailey2 said:Rivotril is "weaker" in the sense that you don't get that high, drugged-out feeling (which, if I'm being honest, I actually liked sometimes with Xanax 😛 😁). But it actually works more intensely. It clears the fog in your head without you even realizing it's happening. It hits my motor skills, too. Without it, I'm a total klutz. As soon as I realize I'm struggling to even hold a glass, I'll take a quarter—like half a milligram.

Normally, I'm at the max daily dose: 6mg a day split into three 2mg doses. But I usually break those down differently depending on how I feel. Sometimes I'll take a full dose in the morning, sometimes a half in the afternoon, sometimes just a tiny bit.
My psychiatrist actually suggested this approach—just adjusting based on how I'm feeling.

With Xanax, I used to feel totally wasted... basically non-functional.
Rivotril is more like a stabilizer; it almost lifts my mood. I can't even put it into words. On Xanax, I could do nothing but sit there and smoke cigarette after cigarette...
If I have housework to do, I make sure to take Rivotril so it can steady my brain. Again, hard to describe. Once it kicks in, I just look around the apartment, see where things belong, and clean up the mess without any stress or agitation.

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taking 3x0.5mg doses

It's incomparable to Xanax—God forbid I ever get hooked on that stuff again.🙄
redtiger35 redtiger35 Member
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#6648 ·
fadedbear92, have you ever actually tried tapering off Clonazepam and dealt with something similar to what Kevin Bailey2 went through?
redcrane22 redcrane22 Active Member
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#6649 ·
Kevin Bailey2 said:Rivotril is "weaker" in the sense that you don't get that high, drugged-out feeling (which, if I'm being honest, I actually liked sometimes with Xanax 😛 😁). But it actually works more intensely. It clears the fog in your head without you even realizing it's happening. It hits my motor skills, too. Without it, I'm a total klutz. As soon as I realize I'm struggling to even hold a glass, I'll take a quarter—like half a milligram.

Normally, I'm at the max daily dose: 6mg a day split into three 2mg doses. But I usually break those down differently depending on how I feel. Sometimes I'll take a full dose in the morning, sometimes a half in the afternoon, sometimes just a tiny bit.
My psychiatrist actually suggested this approach—just adjusting based on how I'm feeling.

With Xanax, I used to feel totally wasted... basically non-functional.
Rivotril is more like a stabilizer; it almost lifts my mood. I can't even put it into words. On Xanax, I could do nothing but sit there and smoke cigarette after cigarette...
If I have housework to do, I make sure to take Rivotril so it can steady my brain. Again, hard to describe. Once it kicks in, I just look around the apartment, see where things belong, and clean up the mess without any stress or agitation.

I'm curious, though—how does all this affect your role as a mom?
Do you ever worry that your child might notice, or that you won't be able to be fully present when you're doing things with them?
Kevin Bailey2 Kevin Bailey2 Regular
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#6650 ·
redcrane22 said:I'm curious, though—how does all this affect your role as a mom?
Do you ever worry that your child might notice, or that you won't be able to be fully present when you're doing things with them?

Not sure I follow. Are you asking how my depression hits my kid, or how being on meds changes things?

I've been on medication long enough now that I can stay steady.

Things got messy back when my psychiatrist would cut my dose just because I’d say "I feel fine," instead of keeping me at a maintenance level. And yeah, I had one moment where I (stupidly) flushed my pills down the toilet. Total amateur move. Completely immature and reckless.

During my worst depressive lows, my kid saw me sleeping a lot. That was it. I was still capable enough to focus on him... even if I had zero energy for anything else.
But I never let him slip. He was never hungry, never dirty, never neglected. Not once. Even when everything feels broken, that maternal instinct kicks in harder than this damn illness ever could.

Back then, I just told him I was sleeping so much because my stomach hurt.

My mom had her own bouts of depression, and since she never sought treatment, it trickled down to me. If she had gotten help, maybe I wouldn't be on meds today. You have to break the cycle.
I know what it's like when your mom talks to you like you're an adult when you aren't... using you as her own personal therapist.
I don't judge her. She didn't know any better.
But I know for a fact I won't put my child through that.

If that was the question?

Or do you think the meds make me look high or drunk?
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#6651 ·
redtiger35 said:fadedbear92, have you ever actually tried tapering off Clonazepam and dealt with something similar to what Kevin Bailey2 went through?

I actually have to take it just to keep my mood stable—so, honestly, tapering off isn't even on the table for me right now.
Harold Harris20 Harold Harris20 Member
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#6652 ·
Hey there

Has anyone here heard anything about that new drug Azolar for treating things like Schizophrenia?
I'd love to hear whatever you guys know!
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#6653 ·
redtiger35 said:fadedbear92, have you ever actually tried tapering off Clonazepam and dealt with something similar to what Kevin Bailey2 went through?

As for me, I just quit my Klonopin cold turkey—I was on the 2 mg pills—and honestly, I felt absolutely nothing.

I suppose everyone’s biology is wired differently. It’s one of those things where some people can step off Effexor without even blinking, whereas for me... well, the Effexor [ venlafaxin ] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps were an absolute nightmare.
Timothy Wood38 Timothy Wood38 Active Member
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#6654 ·
Harold Harris20 said:Hey there

Has anyone here heard anything about that new drug Azolar for treating things like Schizophrenia?
I'd love to hear whatever you guys know!

So, Azolar—which is just aripiprazole—is actually quite an effective medication, one of the newer antipsychotics on the block. It’s officially cleared for Schizophrenia, though honestly, it gets used way more often as an add-on treatment for neurotic disorders that just aren't budging with standard meds. I do have to give you a bit of a heads-up, though... Azolar was actually pulled from the market because Belupo ran afoul of patent laws regarding the original brand, Abilify. Since the patent hasn't even expired yet, we aren't seeing any cheap generics, and let's face it, Abilify is incredibly pricey—it's definitely not covered by most major US insurance providers or Medicare lists.
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#6655 ·
Larry Lewis said:As for me, I just quit my Klonopin cold turkey—I was on the 2 mg pills—and honestly, I felt absolutely nothing.

I suppose everyone’s biology is wired differently. It’s one of those things where some people can step off Effexor without even blinking, whereas for me... well, the Effexor [ venlafaxin ] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps were an absolute nightmare.

Don't even bring up Effexor, brother!!!😲😲😲
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#6656 ·
fadedbear92 said:Don't even bring up Effexor, brother!!!😲😲😲

What kind of mess are you dealing with?🙂
I swear—honestly, I mean it—if these pills don't end up making us even more unstable than we already are, I don't know what will.😕
fadedbear92 fadedbear92 Veteran
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#6657 ·
Larry Lewis said:What kind of mess are you dealing with?🙂
I swear—honestly, I mean it—if these pills don't end up making us even more unstable than we already are, I don't know what will.😕

I've mentioned this before—it absolutely wrecked my sleep. I ended up on three weeks of medical leave because I could barely close my eyes. Even the heavy-duty sedatives they give you before surgery at the hospital wouldn't knock me out for more than an hour. Eventually, my doctor put me on Tegretol, which was a lifesaver back then, but my system really needed time to flush all that junk out.
It helps some people with depression, sure, but for me, it felt like pure speed.😲
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#6658 ·
fadedbear92 said:I've mentioned this before—it absolutely wrecked my sleep. I ended up on three weeks of medical leave because I could barely close my eyes. Even the heavy-duty sedatives they give you before surgery at the hospital wouldn't knock me out for more than an hour. Eventually, my doctor put me on Tegretol, which was a lifesaver back then, but my system really needed time to flush all that junk out.
It helps some people with depression, sure, but for me, it felt like pure speed.😲

When I was dealing with Effexor [ venlafaxin ] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps, I felt these literal electrical jolts lashing through my brain. I posted about this ages ago, and looking back, it seems like a lot of people went through the exact same thing. You're just walking down the street in Chicago, minding your own goddamn business, when suddenly—BAM—this shock hits you every single minute. I honestly couldn't believe it was happening. It passed after a few days, but man... it was like my brain was giving itself constant electroshock therapy.

As for that comment about speed—all I’ll say is, back when I was using it in... unconventional ways with my old crew of misfits, I can confirm it definitely hits. But pssssst, 🙂
ironrider11 ironrider11 Regular
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#6659 ·
Larry Lewis said:When I was dealing with Effexor [ venlafaxin ] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps, I felt these literal electrical jolts lashing through my brain. I posted about this ages ago, and looking back, it seems like a lot of people went through the exact same thing. You're just walking down the street in Chicago, minding your own goddamn business, when suddenly—BAM—this shock hits you every single minute. I honestly couldn't believe it was happening. It passed after a few days, but man... it was like my brain was giving itself constant electroshock therapy.

As for that comment about speed—all I’ll say is, back when I was using it in... unconventional ways with my old crew of misfits, I can confirm it definitely hits. But pssssst, 🙂

Effexor [venlafaxin] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps
Larry Lewis Larry Lewis Regular
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#6660 ·
ironrider11 said:Effexor [venlafaxin] Withdrawal and Brain Zaps

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head there—now that I think about it, things were even more brutal whenever that sensation would just... drift away.

I can't help but wonder just how much my brain has been fried by all this—though, honestly, maybe it’s better if I never find out.🙂

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