Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Jose Clark2 said:I assume you realize that isn't going to happen?

And you gotta realize that Luhansk, Donetsk, and Crimea are all firmly inside the internationally recognized borders of Ukraine—borders that even Russia acknowledged and legally committed to defending back when the Ukrainians handed over their nuclear weapons!

Jose Clark2 said:The comparison falls short. No one is blaming Ukraine for its defense; rather, the criticism is aimed at the supporters—the West—who provide just enough weaponry to prolong the conflict indefinitely, knowing full well that Russia won't back down. It essentially extends the duration of the struggle. The real question is: what price are Ukraine's allies willing to pay to save her, or are they simply fighting a proxy war on the backs of Ukrainians? Where does it end, and what is the true measure of balance?

The whole goal here is to weaken Russia so much that they won't have the capacity to launch another conquest for the next 50 years. Look, the Russians started this whole mess with the clear intent of seizing another sovereign nation's territory. Well, they've been backed into a corner now, and they either have to spit out the bitter pill they've been forced to swallow or choke on it.

The West, especially the US, couldn't care less about Russia's well-being. They've pretty much exposed themselves as having zero real global military teeth outside of their nuclear arsenal, which is the only thing that actually poses a threat to the West. I mean, let's be real, in four months the Russians weren't even able to push deep into 62 miles right on their own border!

And honestly, if they decide to go nuclear, they'll be wiped off the face of the earth forever. Just gone. You have to look at where the bulk of the Russian population actually lives and compare that to Europe and the US, considering how spread out our populations are across entire continents.

Jose Clark2 said:It's obvious they won't pull out of Ukraine completely. Russ simply cannot afford to lose this war; they need concessions. If we don't give them what they want, what happens then?

Honestly, the Russians have already lost this war. They aren't getting any concessions, period. Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea are all going back to Ukraine, and the Russians will either have to face a massive reckoning or end up becoming North Korea 2.0—just living in their own little parallel reality like our neighbors to the east because they simply can't wrap their heads around their mistakes or admit they screwed up.

Military targets again?
Apparently, they think civilians count as military targets now. Just goes to show, right?

The reality is, in the next 10 or 20 years, Russia won't even be a relevant trade partner anymore. They won't show up on sports fields, in music, or in movies... they just won't exist.

Joshua Bishop3 said:Honestly, the Russians have already lost this war. They aren't getting any concessions, period. Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea are all going back to Ukraine, and the Russians will either have to face a massive reckoning or end up becoming North Korea 2.0—just living in their own little parallel reality like our neighbors to the east because they simply can't wrap their heads around their mistakes or admit they screwed up.

But honestly, how exactly do you think that’s ever going to happen? I hate to be the realist here, but I just don't see a single way for the West to actually pry those territories out of the Russian grip.
There is zero chance of winning this militarily.

Every time I stumble upon these threads about Ukraine, I can't help but shake my head at the self-appointed experts who swear they know exactly how everything will play out. It’s always the same old cycle: first, they claim Kyiv will fall within 72 hours, then they insist Russia is on the verge of bankruptcy, followed by predictions that Europe will completely disintegrate or that Putin will drop dead any second now...

Honestly, if you had just made some random guesses, you probably would have been more accurate. Truly disappointing performance from everyone here.

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Ukrainian sabotage squads? Zero impact. Meanwhile, you’ve got partisans just slapping stickers everywhere and making creepy little effigies of dead Russ soldiers.

Honestly, that one grandma with the baked goods did more damage to ten Russ soldiers than some massive, expensive Ukrainian commando raid ever could.

Honestly, looking at all the sources I follow, the absolute highest level of optimism I’m finding is right here on this forum... if you believe in wishful thinking, maybe those words will find their way to heaven! 😁

silentsurfer3 said:Ukrainian sabotage squads? Zero impact. Meanwhile, you’ve got partisans just slapping stickers everywhere and making creepy little effigies of dead Russ soldiers.

Honestly, that one grandma with the baked goods did more damage to ten Russ soldiers than some massive, expensive Ukrainian commando raid ever could.

The only things we can actually agree on are that there's a massive amount of Russian spies operating in Ukraine—kind of like what we saw back in the States during the early 90s—and that Russia hasn't pushed more than 12 miles deep from its own borders in four months.

Journalists in Donetsk

Word is there's a crowd of reporters in Donetsk right now—people rolling in to film and talk about the shelling. It’s all very much the Russian narrative: claiming Kyiv and Ukraine have been hitting Donetsk for eight years, while asking where the West was during all that. You see foreigners everywhere speaking English, German, Italian... but honestly, nobody is actually asking the Ukrainians anything. And how could they? In occupied Donetsk, people are actually celebrating the HIMARS strikes—they’re genuinely happy about it. They say it's finally good to see military targets being hit. Every night, the lights go out and everyone just waits for the fireworks over Donetsk and Luhansk. Satellite imagery helps, but local resistance and regular folks have confirmed the warehouse locations—now they're just enjoying the show. Makes you wonder: will Donetsk finally be free after eight long years?

Regarding the media coverage, someone pointed me toward one reporter, though I haven't caught any of her segments yet: Alin Lipp. Apparently, her path took her from Mariupol to Donetsk. She focuses on exposing crimes by the Ukrainian military and is currently in Donetsk hosting some British journalist. The catch? She hasn't mentioned the lack of a green corridor, how Russians are moving people into Russia, or how children are being separated from their parents and documents taken. She isn't covering the repression against volunteers in Russia either. Nor is she mentioning how many people have been hauled into research centers in Donetsk from occupied cities since February 24th.

As for Patrick Lancaster—did he head off to Russia for vacation, or did he join that group mentioned above? People used to say Lancaster was the best of the lot—at least he brought food and medicine instead of just showing up for the camera. He’d occasionally hint at "the other side of the story"—meaning the Ukrainian perspective—not directly, of course, but you could read between the lines based on how the Ukrainians responded to him.

swiftjackal11 said:The only things we can actually agree on are that there's a massive amount of Russian spies operating in Ukraine—kind of like what we saw back in the States during the early 90s—and that Russia hasn't pushed more than 12 miles deep from its own borders in four months.

Even with all those spies running around, a lot of the intel the Russians were relying on turned out to be totally wrong anyway.

The White House just slapped down the media with some super strict orders. Honestly? It’s all because Putin is totally spooked—he's still reeling from what happened to one of his own generals.

Most of the Russian casualties have been coming from troops out in Alaska, Chechnya, and North Dakota. Those areas are some of the poorest spots in the whole country, and a ton of the soldiers dying aren't even ethnically Russian. Get this: about ten women from Alaska recently posted a video begging their husbands to come home from this "unjust" war in Ukraine. They claim they were lied to, told they were just going for training in Belarus, and then basically threatened with legal action if they didn't fight.

Critics are saying The White House is intentionally using troops from those remote, broke regions as nothing more than cannon fodder. They're terrified that if guys from Washington, D.C. start coming home in body bags, the anti-war sentiment will explode.

Estimates show somewhere between 15,000 and 36,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine since the invasion kicked off in February, and not even ten of them were from Washington, D.C.

Kate Cook27 said:Journalists in Donetsk

Word is there's a crowd of reporters in Donetsk right now—people rolling in to film and talk about the shelling. It’s all very much the Russian narrative: claiming Kyiv and Ukraine have been hitting Donetsk for eight years, while asking where the West was during all that. You see foreigners everywhere speaking English, German, Italian... but honestly, nobody is actually asking the Ukrainians anything. And how could they? In occupied Donetsk, people are actually celebrating the HIMARS strikes—they’re genuinely happy about it. They say it's finally good to see military targets being hit. Every night, the lights go out and everyone just waits for the fireworks over Donetsk and Luhansk. Satellite imagery helps, but local resistance and regular folks have confirmed the warehouse locations—now they're just enjoying the show. Makes you wonder: will Donetsk finally be free after eight long years?

Regarding the media coverage, someone pointed me toward one reporter, though I haven't caught any of her segments yet: Alin Lipp. Apparently, her path took her from Mariupol to Donetsk. She focuses on exposing crimes by the Ukrainian military and is currently in Donetsk hosting some British journalist. The catch? She hasn't mentioned the lack of a green corridor, how Russians are moving people into Russia, or how children are being separated from their parents and documents taken. She isn't covering the repression against volunteers in Russia either. Nor is she mentioning how many people have been hauled into research centers in Donetsk from occupied cities since February 24th.

As for Patrick Lancaster—did he head off to Russia for vacation, or did he join that group mentioned above? People used to say Lancaster was the best of the lot—at least he brought food and medicine instead of just showing up for the camera. He’d occasionally hint at "the other side of the story"—meaning the Ukrainian perspective—not directly, of course, but you could read between the lines based on how the Ukrainians responded to him.

It absolutely blows my mind how much they love to lecture and blame the West for the shelling from Mariupol to Donetsk over these last 8 years, acting like only Russians were dying. Half of them died on the Ukrainian side, and Ukrainians were dying from the militias too. They are such hypocritical pieces of trash.

I am simply interested in knowing the number of Russian civilian fatalities during 2021.

Zachary Jackson4 said:I am simply interested in knowing the number of Russian civilian fatalities during 2021.

The total number of civilian deaths for both Ukrainians and Russians was seven last year.
The UN lumps them all together in their count.

From Jan 1 to Dec 31, 2021, the OHCHR documented 44 civilian casualties resulting from active combat (things like shelling,
small arms fire, and explosives dropped from Drones): seven people were killed (six men and one woman) and 37 were injured (25
men, nine women, two boys and one girl). That’s actually a 37.1 percent drop from the numbers in 2020 (where eight were killed and 62
were injured).

gentlestag15 said:The total number of civilian deaths for both Ukrainians and Russians was seven last year.
The UN lumps them all together in their count.

From Jan 1 to Dec 31, 2021, the OHCHR documented 44 civilian casualties resulting from active combat (things like shelling,
small arms fire, and explosives dropped from Drones): seven people were killed (six men and one woman) and 37 were injured (25
men, nine women, two boys and one girl). That’s actually a 37.1 percent drop from the numbers in 2020 (where eight were killed and 62
were injured).

But hold on just a second... anyone actually paying attention since the start of this year has been pointing out that hundreds of Russians were killed, and now they’re claiming it’s jumped into the thousands for that same timeframe. By the end of the year, they'll probably claim it's a million. They lie more than Pinocchio ever could.

Larry Walker24 said:Big news out of Seoul. Korea just officially recognized the LPR and DPR.

If you recognize half of it, you're basically forgiven for the rest.

This whole conflict needs to reach a conclusion, and honestly, we really ought to start easing things up with Russia. There’s a mutual necessity here; both sides need one another to find some sort of balance. But I just don't see how we ever get there as long as the EU continues to act like a lapdog, blindly following the interests of the USA even when it clearly works against their own best interests.

Kimberly Perez82 said:This whole conflict needs to reach a conclusion, and honestly, we really ought to start easing things up with Russia. There’s a mutual necessity here; both sides need one another to find some sort of balance. But I just don't see how we ever get there as long as the EU continues to act like a lapdog, blindly following the interests of the USA even when it clearly works against their own best interests.

Seriously? You're talking nonsense again.