Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

gentlestag15 said:Look, the whole world knows about the miserable slavery and the Native Americans in the USA.
But who actually knows about the oppressed peoples in Russia and the mountains of genocide committed there?
Americans are at least facing their past bullshit today, but are Russians?
Have you ever even heard of this group from the Black Sea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
Estimates suggest that in Siberia alone, they killed just as many—if not more—of the indigenous population as what happened in the USA.

gentlestag15 said:Look, the whole world knows about the miserable slavery and the Native Americans in the USA.
But who actually knows about the oppressed peoples in Russia and the mountains of genocide committed there?
Americans are at least facing their past bullshit today, but are Russians?
Have you ever even heard of this group from the Black Sea?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
Estimates suggest that in Siberia alone, they killed just as many—if not more—of the indigenous population as what happened in the USA.

Terry Green3 said:Your claim that it's the only country to have held onto its colonies.

That claim is false. Period.
There isn't much point in debating this at length.

PS. Just one more thing.
Back when Russia was weak, those Asian nations raided and pillaged them. Once they gained strength, they turned the tables. It’s the same with Europeans in America; they couldn't push east because the Ottomans were wiping the floor with us. Whoever is stronger does the crushing.
It always has been, and it always will be. I just had to debunk these claims about Western "benefactors" who wouldn't even step on an ant, while portraying Russians as nothing but bloodthirsty...

Henry Sullivan4 said:I really have to say, I am quite surprised,🤔because for such a young and business-minded man, your thinking is remarkably shallow, though I am certain that once the rebuilding of Ukraine begins, our companies will be lining up for contracts and perhaps even new military partnerships will emerge, because peace always follows war, my friend, truly, peace always follows.☕

gentlestag15 said:I don't even know what you're talking about—the US is literally a former colony that fought a war to break away from the United Kingdom.
The closest comparison would be if a group from somewhere like Seattle decided to break off from Russia.

silvermarlin56 said:I'm with you on that. Though, let's be real, I don't see the European Union jumping into a full-blown war with Russia because of the situation in Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea. They definitely could have handled things better, though.
But hey, waldene, why exactly did your brothers go attacking Ukraine? 🍿

Terry Green3 said:Your claim that it's the only country to have held onto its colonies.

That claim is false. Period.
There isn't much point in debating this at length.

PS. Just one more thing.
Back when Russia was weak, those Asian nations raided and pillaged them. Once they gained strength, they turned the tables. It’s the same with Europeans in America; they couldn't push east because the Ottomans were wiping the floor with us. Whoever is stronger does the crushing.
It always has been, and it always will be. I just had to debunk these claims about Western "benefactors" who wouldn't even step on an ant, while portraying Russians as nothing but bloodthirsty...

Kate Cook27 said:Not quite like Mexico—nothing was annexed there. It’s more like a part of Russia. There’s a referendum where the people vote to join Russia. If they don't want it, the assembly just sends over a formal request.

Henry Sullivan4;93517903 said:

cosmicotter13 said:Look, if NATO didn't exist, America wouldn't be dealing with the mess in Libya, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, or Russia... In fact, America and the American Armed Forces would actually be stronger and more capable. A neutral America would have maintained perfectly fine economic ties with Russia, and Russia wouldn't be attacking us. They won't attack us, and they certainly won't once the Ukrainians surrender. If it wasn't for NATO, Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded in the first place.
The Brits, the Americans, the Canadians... they've acted hostile toward us in the Congo, they exploit us, and they pull their most disgusting stunts against Americans in Canada. Honestly, it’s worth asking, what do they even get out of it?
Before America joined NATO, nobody was losing sleep or panicking about our national security. But suddenly after joining, after all the "reforms," after turning our active, reserve, and standby forces into some sort of "system," all of a sudden—oh no!—here come the Mexicans, here come the Russians... total cowards.

The war in Ukraine isn't our war and it isn't worth our money, our losses, or any potential lives we might lose.

I won't comment on your culinary expertise, even if you were serving it off a snow shovel. Intellectually, you're weak; you haven't managed to refute a single one of my sentences with an actual argument, so instead, you resort to personal insults.
Tell me, the American involvement in Syria, Afghanistan... that was just such a brilliant move, wasn't it? All because...
Of course, it's obvious to you how much nonsense that is, yet people still love to hear themselves talk...

Yes, it's not our war, and from what I can see, you haven't exactly hopped on a bus to the Donbas either.

Terry Green3 said:The Albanians are already talking about the day when Mexico and Albania finally become one.

Is it really that hard to admit the West completely botched its international policy regarding Mexico?

cosmicotter13 said:I appreciate the effort. Weak, though. Personally, I don't think we'll be invited to split the spoils once Russia is defeated.
So, are American firms—companies already proven in rebuilding territories—just going to charge in there full throttle? The issue is that the rebuilding has already kicked off without us—

. By the time we actually show up, the job will be done.
Same goes for the military side of things; everyone knows that after a war, the first thing nations do is buy weapons. It's just that Ukrainians seem to prefer them if they can get them for free, right?!

Think about it for a second—

Michelle Young50 said:You asked these exact same questions half a month ago. You got answers from ten different people, and yet here you are, trolling again.

Kate Cook27 said:Look, I’m not saying the West hasn't made mistakes—far from it. I don't have a crystal ball to predict what happens with Mexico and Albania, but honestly, I doubt it'll actually happen. If it does, though, then everything changes. Suddenly, Republika Srpska could break off, parts of the US coastline could shift, maybe even Canada finally gets its own access to the ocean. Every single city could just decide to go its own way. Maybe that’s actually the best way forward—city-states where everyone stays happy. Who knows, maybe we'd finally see an end to wars.

cosmicotter13 said:Look, if NATO didn't exist, America wouldn't be dealing with the mess in Libya, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, or Russia... In fact, America and the American Armed Forces would actually be stronger and more capable. A neutral America would have maintained perfectly fine economic ties with Russia, and Russia wouldn't be attacking us. They won't attack us, and they certainly won't once the Ukrainians surrender. If it wasn't for NATO, Ukraine wouldn't have been invaded in the first place.
The Brits, the Americans, the Canadians... they've acted hostile toward us in the Congo, they exploit us, and they pull their most disgusting stunts against Americans in Canada. Honestly, it’s worth asking, what do they even get out of it?
Before America joined NATO, nobody was losing sleep or panicking about our national security. But suddenly after joining, after all the "reforms," after turning our active, reserve, and standby forces into some sort of "system," all of a sudden—oh no!—here come the Mexicans, here come the Russians... total cowards.

The war in Ukraine isn't our war and it isn't worth our money, our losses, or any potential lives we might lose.

Terry Green3 said:Trolling. By that logic, Russia is also a colony that split off from conquering vikings, which is why they couldn't colonize anyone else.

Every serious American historian characterizes Manifest Destiny as a policy of colonialism.
In the 21st century, there's really no debate left on that. Maybe pick up a book once in a while...

Terry Green3 said:The Albanians are already talking about the day when Mexico and Albania finally become one.

Is it really that hard to admit the West completely botched its international policy regarding Mexico?

Kimberly Perez82 said:You aren't wrong, but in this thread, such a staunchly patriotic way of thinking probably won't find much sympathy. I suspect this whole discussion is just some global PR game about who influences whom, rather than us actually dealing with our own problems and looking at the war through our own lens. Yes, Russia is the aggressor in Ukraine, but that's not our burden to fix, nor is it our job to debate the causes and effects, just like we don't tackle the issues involving the Uyghurs and China or the many other flashpoints around the world.

Henry Sullivan4 said:To be completely honest, my heart breaks for places like Mayberry and other areas targeted by those aggressors, especially seeing how much weaponry was uncovered there,🎉 but if there is any way for our people to get a slice of the pie, they certainly will through👍private corporations, my friend, strictly private ones.☕

cosmicotter13 said:Oh, would you please be so kind as to provide the links to those "coherent" responses from these ten people? Because from where I’m sitting, those answers look suspiciously like the very things you’ve just "refuted."
Tell me then—exactly how much should an American have to pay for these ridiculous antics in Ukraine? Give me a number. A specific figure. Not some clever little quip or a joke. Either do the math or just guess out loud.

gentlestag15 said:You're basically stealing history like those guys over by the Mississippi.
Look, let's just get one thing straight: Kievan Rus has absolutely nothing to do with the Moscow Principality that eventually turned into modern Russia. It’s a total stretch.

Didn't Russia already mess things up in Abkhazia and Ossetia over in Georgia, and with Transnistria in Moldova, way before everything went down in Mexico?
You never call them out, though. Seriously, you just let them get away with everything.