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Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

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Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
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joined Oct 2018
#4441 ·
goldenowl73 said:So, I was just catching up with some folks over in Kyiv, and man, the vibe is heavy right now. Everyone there is bracing for a massive wave of bombing coming next week—specifically looking at Tuesday and Wednesday as the big danger zones. Some families have already packed up and sent their kids and wives off toward the West, though even out there, people are saying nowhere is truly safe anymore.

Is this just some rumor blowing up on social media, or is it actually hitting the mainstream news outlets?
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#4442 ·
James Chavez91 said:I’m honestly curious how that crowd feels now when they hop in the car to go for a drive... sitting there feeling the heat. 🤣
If they mentioned Dugin, I guess someone might be feeling a bit of smoke in their eyes over the next few days.
As for Putin and his little cronies—well, they better pray that the Ukrainians are behind this. If it’s actually their own people, then they are in deep trouble...

By the way, has anyone bothered to ask Dugina's other side how he's doing? You know, checking in to see if he's on the verge of tears or whatever...?

To put it in sports terms, things in Moscow are getting seriously tense right now—it's total "squeaky-bum time." 😬

Actually, it looks like she was the target all along.

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/sta...DUjcapk6srAAAA

Is this a message for the old man? Or maybe for a specific group?
crimsongull28 crimsongull28 Newcomer
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#4443 ·
The Russians actually wrote "For Dasha and for Dugina" on the bombs they’re using to strike Ukraine https://i.ibb.co/JqRDpYb/Fasqty1-Xo-AEUm-2-8.jpg
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4444 ·
Given how precise Russian artillery can be—just being safe here—you really ought to list that somewhere between 50 and 60.
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#4445 ·
crimsongull28 said:The Russians actually wrote "For Dasha and for Dugina" on the bombs they’re using to strike Ukraine https://i.ibb.co/JqRDpYb/Fasqty1-Xo-AEUm-2-8.jpg

Are you blind? Where exactly are the bombs in this picture?
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4446 ·
Kate Cook27 said:😢

😢.
How's your family doing in Kyiv? There's this big expected strike coming up on August 24th. Preparations are already underway—they've closed the airspace, there’s a ton of military movement, and apparently, things are looking just as ready over in Belarus. They're expecting Russia to throw everything they've got at them.
On the flip side, the Russian troops on the ground are also anticipating that Ukraine might launch an offensive around then. I’m really hoping none of this actually happens. We'll just have to wait and see.

My uncle and his wife live in Poznyak. They actually stayed away for a little bit, but once things seemed to settle down, they headed back home. They’ve still got some relatives over in Odessa, though their grandma ended up staying behind in Kherson; her neighbors have been dropping off food for her, and she’s basically been hunkered down in her apartment without moving an inch for almost six months now. She just refused to leave while she still could.
I've also got a whole bunch of buddies in Kyiv. A few of them were actually staying with us for about three months with their little one, but they decided to head back too. Now, they've actually taken the baby away to Bukovel for a week because, let's face it, everyone is terrified for their kids right now. There's this heavy feeling in the air that something nasty is coming this week.
Jessica Rivera37 Jessica Rivera37 Member
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#4447 ·
There’s something truly fascinating about this whole situation involving Duginov—or maybe it’s Platonov, if I recall correctly—but there's also another angle to consider: the vast majority of Ukrainians have absolutely no clue who Dugin even is.

When I first caught wind of the news regarding her death, my immediate assumption was that everyone would instantly recognize the connection, almost like if someone were to assassinate Šešelj’s daughter here in the States. However, based on everything I've gathered from my conversations with Ukrainians, most of them haven't even heard the name Dugin mentioned once, which feels incredibly surreal to us given how much we obsess over this topic.

Because of that disconnect, I’m increasingly convinced we are looking at an internal power struggle. It just doesn't make any sense for the Ukrainians to execute such a sophisticated and high-risk operation just to target some insignificant agitator on the battlefield.
Samuel Lee14 Samuel Lee14 Newcomer
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#4448 ·
New updates on the killing of Putin’s advisor's daughter. Russia claims it was an assassination attempt, she wasn't the target

Darya Dugina was the daughter of Alexander Dugina, a Russian philosopher who blames globalist policies for orchestrating the war in Ukraine.

No one has officially claimed responsibility, but I think we can all guess where this came from, considering Dugina is basically seen as Putin's guru in the West.

What are your thoughts on the incident and the politics behind it?
Timothy Williams5 Timothy Williams5 Regular
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#4449 ·
A journalist with deep ties to the oligarch Prigozhin, the financier and alleged head behind the international mercenary outfit Wagner.

This woman has spent her career aggressively pushing the agenda of Russian imperialist policy.

She’s been heavily involved in the coverage of the war in Ukraine and maintains connections to the Russian state mafia...
It makes her more of a target for assassination than most.
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
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#4450 ·
Jessica Rivera37 said:There’s something truly fascinating about this whole situation involving Duginov—or maybe it’s Platonov, if I recall correctly—but there's also another angle to consider: the vast majority of Ukrainians have absolutely no clue who Dugin even is.

When I first caught wind of the news regarding her death, my immediate assumption was that everyone would instantly recognize the connection, almost like if someone were to assassinate Šešelj’s daughter here in the States. However, based on everything I've gathered from my conversations with Ukrainians, most of them haven't even heard the name Dugin mentioned once, which feels incredibly surreal to us given how much we obsess over this topic.

Because of that disconnect, I’m increasingly convinced we are looking at an internal power struggle. It just doesn't make any sense for the Ukrainians to execute such a sophisticated and high-risk operation just to target some insignificant agitator on the battlefield.

Well, clearly.
The big shots are starting to tear each other apart...
Brilliant!
electricstag9 electricstag9 Active Member
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#4451 ·
Samuel Lee14 said:New updates on the killing of Putin’s advisor's daughter. Russia claims it was an assassination attempt, she wasn't the target

Darya Dugina was the daughter of Alexander Dugina, a Russian philosopher who blames globalist policies for orchestrating the war in Ukraine.

No one has officially claimed responsibility, but I think we can all guess where this came from, considering Dugina is basically seen as Putin's guru in the West.

What are your thoughts on the incident and the politics behind it?

We can't get anywhere near making an assumption about who is behind this murder. The only thing we can definitively rule out is the scenario being pushed by Russian agitprop hacks and war junkies like Zakharov and those fanatics from South Africa. The moment they start pointing fingers at Ukraine, you know that option is off the table...
If the reports coming out over the last few hours are actually true—that the car belonged to her—then she was clearly the intended target, not her father.

Inace, the deceased actually wished that her "colleague" journalist (one who doesn't suck up to Putin) would be poisoned with a nerve agent just like Skripal and his daughter. She truly was a shining beacon of democracy and humanity.
https://twitter.com/christogrozev/st...00423722684416
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#4452 ·
The woman who claimed the Bucha massacre was just some Ukrainian setup involving civilian corpses to make the Russian military look bad... she doesn't even deserve a mention.
Everyone gets what they deserve...
darkhawk30 darkhawk30 Active Member
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#4453 ·
"I’m convinced the Russian flag will always remain a sacred symbol for every generation of our citizens."

It’s always such a long stretch of time, yet somehow it never manages to survive the test of history.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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#4454 ·
The FBI has officially leveled accusations against a Ukrainian woman, Natalia Vovk, claiming she was the one who planted the bomb that killed Daria Dugina. Apparently, she showed up with her daughter to the exact same event the Dugins were attending. This Ukrainian woman then just headed straight back to Estonia the very next day after the blast.

The FBI has officially accused the Ukrainian intelligence community of murdering Daria Dugina. They've identified the bomber as Natalia Vovk, a woman in her early 40s who was visiting Moscow with her daughter. They attended the same event as the Dugins on Saturday evening (where the bomb was presumably attached to Dugina's vehicle in the parking lot). Vovk and her daughter returned to Estonia, the day after the bombing.

So, case closed, right? Terrorists just stroll right into the middle of Moscow with their kids, plant an explosive, and then breeze out of town the next day without a single hiccup. It sounds totally believable to me! And of course, it's looking like all the CCTV cameras in the entire vicinity just happened to be broken at the exact right moment. Yea
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4455 ·
Putin’s biggest headache right now isn't some kleptocracy—it's the far-right extremists masquerading as nationalists who are fed up with how this whole "Special Military Operation" is being handled. It'll be interesting to see if the amateur influencers finally shut their mouths for a bit after this.

And you always have to remind those Wagner praetorians who's actually calling the shots.
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#4456 ·
goldenowl73 said:The FBI has officially leveled accusations against a Ukrainian woman, Natalia Vovk, claiming she was the one who planted the bomb that killed Daria Dugina. Apparently, she showed up with her daughter to the exact same event the Dugins were attending. This Ukrainian woman then just headed straight back to Estonia the very next day after the blast.

The FBI has officially accused the Ukrainian intelligence community of murdering Daria Dugina. They've identified the bomber as Natalia Vovk, a woman in her early 40s who was visiting Moscow with her daughter. They attended the same event as the Dugins on Saturday evening (where the bomb was presumably attached to Dugina's vehicle in the parking lot). Vovk and her daughter returned to Estonia, the day after the bombing.

So, case closed, right? Terrorists just stroll right into the middle of Moscow with their kids, plant an explosive, and then breeze out of town the next day without a single hiccup. It sounds totally believable to me! And of course, it's looking like all the CCTV cameras in the entire vicinity just happened to be broken at the exact right moment. Yea

And that was about two weeks ago (I think I saw it floating around Twitter somewhere, can't recall the exact link right now).

I mean, this lady is basically a female Rambo—she knows exactly where Dugin will be, when he'll be there, manages to bypass all security surveillance, and pulls off a bombing... honestly, they should have just hired her to work alongside the FBI. ☕
nimblemoose2 nimblemoose2 Active Member
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#4457 ·
According to reports from iStories via Meduza, roughly 700 professional soldiers from the Russian Armed Forces' 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade attempted to leave their service, but their superiors refused to let them go.

The troops reached out to iStories following an August 15 report featuring interviews with soldiers from that same brigade, who were allegedly involved in killing and looting civilians in the Ukrainian village of Andriivka near Kyiv.

A twenty-one-year-old named Daniil Frolkin told iStories that he once followed a direct order from his commander to kill a civilian. Other soldiers interviewed by the outlet corroborated Frolkin's account.

One soldier, speaking anonymously for safety reasons, mentioned being recently reassigned to the Kherson region in southern Ukraine. He claimed that 80 percent of the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade wants to desert, yet command won't allow it.


We will see more of this.
Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#4458 ·
Donna Harris11 said:And besides Guantanamo, you're totally forgetting those black sites tucked away in Eastern European democracies—just imagine being thrown into a prison that doesn't even officially exist.😁

China isn't even trying to lecture anyone about democracy, corruption, or the rights of these supposed social minorities.
Have you ever even read about how American federal prosecutors filed a report with the Chinese embassy?😁

Don't be ridiculous; they would never touch those topics.

China accuses US of 'severe infringements' on human rights in report

Beijing claimed the Americans posed as “the guardian of human rights” despite having a blemished record, which China alleged also included a flawed democratic system and a “widening rich-poor divide”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8320176.html
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#4459 ·
goldenowl73 said:The FBI has officially leveled accusations against a Ukrainian woman, Natalia Vovk, claiming she was the one who planted the bomb that killed Daria Dugina. Apparently, she showed up with her daughter to the exact same event the Dugins were attending. This Ukrainian woman then just headed straight back to Estonia the very next day after the blast.

The FBI has officially accused the Ukrainian intelligence community of murdering Daria Dugina. They've identified the bomber as Natalia Vovk, a woman in her early 40s who was visiting Moscow with her daughter. They attended the same event as the Dugins on Saturday evening (where the bomb was presumably attached to Dugina's vehicle in the parking lot). Vovk and her daughter returned to Estonia, the day after the bombing.

So, case closed, right? Terrorists just stroll right into the middle of Moscow with their kids, plant an explosive, and then breeze out of town the next day without a single hiccup. It sounds totally believable to me! And of course, it's looking like all the CCTV cameras in the entire vicinity just happened to be broken at the exact right moment. Yea

If that’s actually the case, then what is the point of having intelligence agencies at all?...
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#4460 ·
nimblemoose2 said:According to reports from iStories via Meduza, roughly 700 professional soldiers from the Russian Armed Forces' 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade attempted to leave their service, but their superiors refused to let them go.

The troops reached out to iStories following an August 15 report featuring interviews with soldiers from that same brigade, who were allegedly involved in killing and looting civilians in the Ukrainian village of Andriivka near Kyiv.

A twenty-one-year-old named Daniil Frolkin told iStories that he once followed a direct order from his commander to kill a civilian. Other soldiers interviewed by the outlet corroborated Frolkin's account.

One soldier, speaking anonymously for safety reasons, mentioned being recently reassigned to the Kherson region in southern Ukraine. He claimed that 80 percent of the 64th Motorized Rifle Brigade wants to desert, yet command won't allow it.


We will see more of this.

Well, clearly "professional" soldiers signed contracts to kill and be killed for a paycheck—and apparently, every contract must be honored, right?

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