Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Part 5

Samuel Rodriguez52 said:I guess Putin basically forced a country he shares such a massive border with to join NATO, which pretty much brings potential nuclear weapons right to his doorstep—the very thing he was supposedly fighting against in Ukraine. It’s honestly quite an impressive strategy if you think about it.

Total chess grandmaster move. 🤣

George Robinson43 said:It’s as if he decided to brand himself a traitor all on his own!

“Anyone who votes differently (to admit Sweden and Finland into NATO) will be labeled a traitor by me. And anyone caught having coffee with them will also be called a traitor. There is no middle ground,” Milanović declared.

Spot on.

Jeremy Peterson4 said:Total idiots, honestly. Hard to believe anyone falls for this. What really bugs me, though, is how NATO and the USA just sit there and take these threats lying down.

I’d say we should stick to that old saying... don't fear the dog that barks.
Since this war kicked off, they've been making threats to everyone and everything...
At the end of the day, it's nothing but a desperate display of weakness. Nothing more.

Donna Wells2 said:I’d say we should stick to that old saying... don't fear the dog that barks.
Since this war kicked off, they've been making threats to everyone and everything...
At the end of the day, it's nothing but a desperate display of weakness. Nothing more.

Maybe the folks in the US and NATO actually have some intel we're missing, which would explain why they're staying so chill?

Melissa Rivera5 said:Maybe someone in The Kremlin finally got a brain cell working and realized that if they bleed too much in Ukraine, they won't have anything left to defend other fronts. I guess you just can't lose 30k soldiers—plus probably another 30k from the professional military who are totally sidelined—and expect things to go well if they ever have to face NATO, who hasn't lost a single soldier. At that point, they're looking at either total surrender or a global nuclear holocaust.

Though, I bet Xi Jinping gave Putin a subtle hint that if they're the ones to launch nuclear weapons first, then "China" might just side with the West.

Russia simply doesn't have the hardware to compete with the West; they are stuck in a massive technological and technical deficit.
How many T-80 tanks does it take to take down a single Leopard?
Or better yet, would they even detect an F-35 on their radar, let alone try to shoot it down?
They don't even have stealth aircraft. And if anyone wants to start talking about the Su-57 right now, please—remember those two unshielded jet engines that light up radar screens like a Christmas tree.
The only thing they supposedly have are those hypersonic missiles, but I wouldn't bet the house on it being true... you know how it goes... people lie as much as the Russians, or our neighbors to the East, it's all the same.

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George Robinson43 Asks: Honestly, he just went out and branded himself a traitor to his own country. Whoever decides to show up at the polls...Anyone supporting the move to bring Sweden and Finland into NATO? I’m calling them traitors. Plain and simple. And anyone I catch grabbing a coffee with one of them? They're traitors too."There’s just no other way," Milanović said.

Maybe he just isn't a coffee drinker, or perhaps he finally decided to quit cold turkey. ☕

Just sitting here waiting for the threats against Turkey to start, so maybe their leader—who’s basically the same caliber, just slightly less unhinged—can finally get them sorted out by 3 PM.
I mean... the guy actually managed to take down one of Putin's planes; he clearly doesn't give a damn about anyone's feelings.

rowdytiger13 said:Just sitting here waiting for the threats against Turkey to start, so maybe their leader—who’s basically the same caliber, just slightly less unhinged—can finally get them sorted out by 3 PM.
I mean... the guy actually managed to take down one of Putin's planes; he clearly doesn't give a damn about anyone's feelings.

If Russia makes a move and Turkey responds by shipping even more supplies to Ukraine, man, I am crossing my fingers for that exact scenario.

Jeremy Peterson4 said:If Russia makes a move and Turkey responds by shipping even more supplies to Ukraine, man, I am crossing my fingers for that exact scenario.

Yeah. 😁
The Britons aren't wrong, though... Putin views any kind of concession as pure weakness, so you really only have one way to deal with him: on his terms. I doubt the Sultan will hand anything over anytime soon, knowing this guy isn't Macron—he couldn't care less about Morocco compared to how much he's focused on Ukraine.
I feel for the Kurds. The Sultan definitely gained something from this concession.

Samuel Rodriguez52 said:Looks like Recep Tayyip Erdoğan finally gave in! Turkey, Sweden, and Finland have officially signed a trilateral memorandum, which I guess should really clear the path for both Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

Source: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_197251.htm

☕man, super sad for Russia... they got even more 808 miles borders touching NATO now. those rich guys are loving it...🙂

Jeremy Peterson4 said:Yeah, someone on this forum mentioned seeing people in uniforms, but I'm looking at this footage and I don't see a single person in uniform. This is a deliberate strike on civilians, plain and simple, and it should be treated as a war crime.

Maybe those pro-Russia trolls on here should actually watch the clip properly.

The people in the park got lucky. Given how "precise" these missiles supposedly are, it's a miracle they didn't land right in the middle of the park.

It's definitely an intentional strike on civilians—it's broad daylight, middle of a workday, at a shopping mall. Even if there was a weapons cache nearby, you'd hit it at night to minimize collateral damage and make sure air defenses have a better shot.

The whole point of this attack is just to spread fear.

Justin Mendoza16 said:☕man, super sad for Russia... they got even more 808 miles borders touching NATO now. those rich guys are loving it...🙂

Putin remains a master strategist.

rowdytiger13 said:Yeah. 😁
The Britons aren't wrong, though... Putin views any kind of concession as pure weakness, so you really only have one way to deal with him: on his terms. I doubt the Sultan will hand anything over anytime soon, knowing this guy isn't Macron—he couldn't care less about Morocco compared to how much he's focused on Ukraine.
I feel for the Kurds. The Sultan definitely gained something from this concession.

The Kurds really should've pulled this off sooner and secured their own region with global backing while they had the chance. I haven't got a clue what's buried in that deal, but at this rate, it looks like they can kiss Kurdistan goodbye.

rowdytiger13 said:Just sitting here waiting for the threats against Turkey to start, so maybe their leader—who’s basically the same caliber, just slightly less unhinged—can finally get them sorted out by 3 PM.
I mean... the guy actually managed to take down one of Putin's planes; he clearly doesn't give a damn about anyone's feelings.

As if they need a feud with Turkey too. Or whatever they call it. That’s their only window to the West, and I mean that quite literally...

Jeremy Peterson4 said:Total chess grandmaster move. 🤣

The Finns claimed they wouldn't allow any nuclear arsenals on their soil, nor would they host NATO bases—not that anyone actually believes that carries much weight.

Terry Green3 said:The Finns claimed they wouldn't allow any nuclear arsenals on their soil, nor would they host NATO bases—not that anyone actually believes that carries much weight.

That’s just not what they said. Later on, the Finnish Prime Minister—or whatever her title is—actually mentioned they’re totally down to have NATO bases in Finland.

Jeremy Peterson4 said:That’s just not what they said. Later on, the Finnish Prime Minister—or whatever her title is—actually mentioned they’re totally down to have NATO bases in Finland.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...er-2022-05-19/

This is the last update I saw. Did something change? If I missed something, let me know.

How did you jump from "NATO isn't planning anything" to "Finland won't allow it"?

rowdytiger13 said:Yeah. 😁
The Britons aren't wrong, though... Putin views any kind of concession as pure weakness, so you really only have one way to deal with him: on his terms. I doubt the Sultan will hand anything over anytime soon, knowing this guy isn't Macron—he couldn't care less about Morocco compared to how much he's focused on Ukraine.
I feel for the Kurds. The Sultan definitely gained something from this concession.

He managed to get Sweden lift the ban on arms sales, which was the whole end game, and it's even possible the US agreed to sell more F-16s.
The Kurds were basically just part of the APP region's interests, and honestly, a little bit of state propaganda too.

And on a slightly less serious note, he got NATO members to agree to call Turkey Türkiye instead of Turkey😉 😬

analogbear5 said:How did you jump from "NATO isn't planning anything" to "Finland won't allow it"?

Just like someone else claimed that "NATO and Finland are potentially planning it."

hollowdriver13 said:He managed to get Sweden lift the ban on arms sales, which was the whole end game, and it's even possible the US agreed to sell more F-16s.
The Kurds were basically just part of the APP region's interests, and honestly, a little bit of state propaganda too.

And on a slightly less serious note, he got NATO members to agree to call Turkey Türkiye instead of Turkey😉 😬

If the APP thing is for the Kurds, then good for them. Honestly, it feels like the Turks want to wipe them out just like how the Russians are doing to the Ukrainians. And I'm not even going to touch the whole name change thing. If that's the original English translation, why bother changing it? It probably just reminds them of some old-school turkey bird, LOL.