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Anthony Hill5 Anthony Hill5 Regular
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#2061 ·
wiredseal7 said:Russia blinked first. But even with that little bluff, they managed to hike up gas prices over the last week—just another way to pad their pockets.
The threat hasn't gone away, either; they’re just moving the goalposts 😁

It probably scared off those sanction supporters who were pushing for escrow accounts to handle gas payments. If that doesn't work, then the whole thing about paying in rubles will likely actually happen.

I told you all from the start that those sanctions against Russia would only serve to strengthen their hand and pad their pockets even further.
Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
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#2062 ·
Putin makes a nuclear threat, then backs down. Threatens to cut off gas unless they pay in rubles, then walks it back. Next up, he’ll threaten to halt all gas deliveries—only to retreat from that, too. It's all pretty transparent.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2063 ·
Dennis Price said:Putin makes a nuclear threat, then backs down. Threatens to cut off gas unless they pay in rubles, then walks it back. Next up, he’ll threaten to halt all gas deliveries—only to retreat from that, too. It's all pretty transparent.

Exactly. He spent months insisting he had no intention of invading Ukraine, and now suddenly he's "withdrawing forces" from the outskirts of Kyiv.
The guy is a pathological liar, and frankly, everyone sees right through him... except, of course, for those delusional little Russophiles who refuse to wake up.
Best,
Anthony Moore15 Anthony Moore15 Member
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#2064 ·
Dennis Price said:Putin makes a nuclear threat, then backs down. Threatens to cut off gas unless they pay in rubles, then walks it back. Next up, he’ll threaten to halt all gas deliveries—only to retreat from that, too. It's all pretty transparent.

And they "walked back" the denazification part too...
The demilitarization... meanwhile, Russia remains one of the largest arms suppliers to the Ukrainian military...
Getting crushed near Kyiv = "we're reducing military activity in the area because our objectives have been met"...
We're just waiting for the next fiasco to be declared a victory...
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#2065 ·
Anthony Moore15 said:And they "walked back" the denazification part too...
The demilitarization... meanwhile, Russia remains one of the largest arms suppliers to the Ukrainian military...
Getting crushed near Kyiv = "we're reducing military activity in the area because our objectives have been met"...
We're just waiting for the next fiasco to be declared a victory...

On that note... here is another thread from Kamil Galeev. The takeaway: Russia is a "Bullshit Empire." Not that I’m claiming to be unbiased—I've been preaching this since I joined the forum...

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/stat...72381062238208
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#2066 ·
Diplomacy continues to push forward with sanctions:

Slovakia's State Department announced today that they're expelling 35 Russian diplomats

17:38 Slovakia expels thirty-five Russian diplomats
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#2067 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:Diplomacy continues to push forward with sanctions:

Slovakia's State Department announced today that they're expelling 35 Russian diplomats

17:38 Slovakia expels thirty-five Russian diplomats

It is high time the EU finally grew some backbone and started looking out for its own interests instead of just hiding behind the apron strings of America!
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#2068 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:It is high time the EU finally grew some backbone and started looking out for its own interests instead of just hiding behind the apron strings of America!

I couldn't agree more.

There really isn't a better way to balance out the occasional excesses of American policy than by having a friendly, yet fully independent, Europe. I suspect the strongest foundation for that kind of autonomy would be found in nations that either lack an imperialist history entirely or have made a conscious, thorough effort to move past it.
Sam Alvarez4 Sam Alvarez4 Regular
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#2069 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:It is high time the EU finally grew some backbone and started looking out for its own interests instead of just hiding behind the apron strings of America!

Sadly, it took such barbaric aggression against a nation to finally wake Europe up and force them to take a stand!
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#2070 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:It is high time the EU finally grew some backbone and started looking out for its own interests instead of just hiding behind the apron strings of America!

Honestly, Germany is the one really pulling the strings when it comes to everything Russia has been up to since 2008, especially after 2014.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2071 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:It is high time the EU finally grew some backbone and started looking out for its own interests instead of just hiding behind the apron strings of America!

That is absolutely not the case—in fact, that’s exactly what Putin wants to hear.
If certain people want to interpret the partnership between the European Union and the USA through some cynical lens... well, frankly, that should be their own damn problem.
After Biden's speech in Washington, D.C., that psychopath in Moscow might actually hesitate before deciding whether he can get away with targeting Poland. But if that same speech had come from some European leader? He’d probably launch a missile just for the hell of it.
I don't see any issue with the cooperation between the European Union and the USA, despite what so many people in the European Union seem to think.
Best regards,
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#2072 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:That is absolutely not the case—in fact, that’s exactly what Putin wants to hear.
If certain people want to interpret the partnership between the European Union and the USA through some cynical lens... well, frankly, that should be their own damn problem.
After Biden's speech in Washington, D.C., that psychopath in Moscow might actually hesitate before deciding whether he can get away with targeting Poland. But if that same speech had come from some European leader? He’d probably launch a missile just for the hell of it.
I don't see any issue with the cooperation between the European Union and the USA, despite what so many people in the European Union seem to think.
Best regards,

While the cooperation is certainly beneficial, certain aspects of it haven't been operating smoothly for quite some time. We are currently in a phase of revitalization, essentially refocusing on what truly matters most.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2073 ·
slyfox43 said:While the cooperation is certainly beneficial, certain aspects of it haven't been operating smoothly for quite some time. We are currently in a phase of revitalization, essentially refocusing on what truly matters most.

Look, perfection doesn't exist in any relationship, so why on earth would we expect it to be different between the European Union and the United States? The naive narrative suggesting that the United States dictates exactly how its allies in Europe or NATO should think and act is, frankly, quite ridiculous—if not outright stupid.

The truth is, the United States needs its allies just as much as the European Union does. That is an undeniable fact, and it's one that Putin bet against, only to end up looking completely foolish. The others have simply benefited from this, because it has proven to us back home just how vital we all are to one another.
In short, Putin got humbled twice.
Best regards
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#2074 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:That is absolutely not the case—in fact, that’s exactly what Putin wants to hear.
If certain people want to interpret the partnership between the European Union and the USA through some cynical lens... well, frankly, that should be their own damn problem.
After Biden's speech in Washington, D.C., that psychopath in Moscow might actually hesitate before deciding whether he can get away with targeting Poland. But if that same speech had come from some European leader? He’d probably launch a missile just for the hell of it.
I don't see any issue with the cooperation between the European Union and the USA, despite what so many people in the European Union seem to think.
Best regards,

Read what I actually wrote.

I never once stated that cooperation between the USA and the EU isn't desirable—what I am saying is that the EU needs to step up and invest more in its own defense systems instead of constantly waiting for America to foot the bill.

How much larger is the EU than Russia? And how many times wealthier is it? Honestly, I don't see why defending Europe using its own resources should be such a massive struggle.
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#2075 ·
I don't know what to tell you, but I think we need to take a serious look at how things are being handled lately. It feels like we're constantly spinning our wheels, running in circles while everyone else seems to have a clear roadmap. It’s like watching someone try to navigate a massive construction zone in downtown Chicago without a GPS—just total chaos and zero direction. You see these big decisions being made, these sweeping movements that supposedly serve the public interest, but when you actually peel back the layers, it feels less like a strategic plan and more like a desperate scramble to keep the lights on. We’re told everything is under control, that the gears are turning smoothly, but if you look at the actual results, there’s a massive gap between the rhetoric and the reality on the ground. It’s frustrating because it isn't just one mistake; it's this systemic pattern of overpromising and underdelivering that makes you wonder if anyone is actually at the helm. kaže:
We really need to throw in the most budget-friendly option as well, just to round things out. Look, if we start relying on liquefied natural gas coming out of Qatar or whatever deals Amer manages to strike, you can bet your life the prices are going to be absolutely astronomical. We're talking sky-high, gut-wrenching costs. You can't just expect some alternative gas supply to suddenly fall from the sky and solve everything, especially not right now. That’s the real kicker—there's no quick fix waiting around the corner, and that's exactly where we're stuck.

The US is basically fighting a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine, which just happens to be the perfect setup for America to happily sell overpriced gas to the Germans. At the end of the day, it’s all about the bottom line and padding those profit margins. But honestly, I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: conflict like this is inevitable. It's just how the world works.☕

I just don't get it. Are we really supposed to believe that Putin invaded Ukraine just to line the pockets of big business in the USA?
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2076 ·
Amanda Allen4 said:Read what I actually wrote.

I never once stated that cooperation between the USA and the EU isn't desirable—what I am saying is that the EU needs to step up and invest more in its own defense systems instead of constantly waiting for America to foot the bill.

How much larger is the EU than Russia? And how many times wealthier is it? Honestly, I don't see why defending Europe using its own resources should be such a massive struggle.

Why on earth wouldn't Europe defend itself if attacked? And what is the issue with the USA providing assistance in that process?
Furthermore, let’s get one thing straight: the USA doesn't just hand out cash to finance European defense.

Putin and his little puppets would love nothing more than to see every nation in Europe looking out for themselves, undermining NATO, and pushing the USA away.

But I don't see that happening. In fact, if anything, the bond between these allies is only going to tighten after all this, which aligns perfectly with what the vast majority of people in both the European Union and the USA actually want.
Lp
Amanda Allen4 Amanda Allen4 Active Member
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#2077 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:I just don't get this—is Putin attacking Ukraine just so Americans can turn a profit?

That happens all the time—it’s what they call “collateral damage.”
slyfox43 slyfox43 Regular
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#2078 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:Why on earth wouldn't Europe defend itself if attacked? And what is the issue with the USA providing assistance in that process?
Furthermore, let’s get one thing straight: the USA doesn't just hand out cash to finance European defense.

Putin and his little puppets would love nothing more than to see every nation in Europe looking out for themselves, undermining NATO, and pushing the USA away.

But I don't see that happening. In fact, if anything, the bond between these allies is only going to tighten after all this, which aligns perfectly with what the vast majority of people in both the European Union and the USA actually want.
Lp

One thing doesn't preclude the other.

The EU can, and arguably should, ramp up its own investments in collective security.

The USA remains present, not as a subordinate, but as a formidable ally—and the feeling is mutual.

There are certainly those who preach about "emancipating themselves from US hegemony," but I am fairly certain you are miscategorizing Amanda Allen4. He is aiming for something else entirely (just as you are).
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#2079 ·
slyfox43 said:One thing doesn't preclude the other.

The EU can, and arguably should, ramp up its own investments in collective security.

The USA remains present, not as a subordinate, but as a formidable ally—and the feeling is mutual.

There are certainly those who preach about "emancipating themselves from US hegemony," but I am fairly certain you are miscategorizing Amanda Allen4. He is aiming for something else entirely (just as you are).

You completely misread me. I'm not throwing shade at anyone; I was simply reacting to the comment.
I hear it all the time, whether I'm reading or listening—especially from the right wing—this endless, repetitive mantra about the necessity of "independence," depending on whatever they're shouting about that day.
Sometimes it's the independence of a nation, sometimes a state, sometimes Europe—though it's rarely actually about the EU.

I was merely pointing out how this happens to be Putin's ultimate dream, specifically regarding Europe. Meanwhile, local sovereignists are busy indulging these wet dreams of national sovereignty and autonomy. Sure, their specific state might be smaller or less significant on the global stage, but that narrative carries more weight locally.

All I'm saying is, hypothetically, if we were ever... attacked again by Mexico, with Russia backing them... I would honestly be thrilled if 10,000 Marines joined forces with the US Army to defend us. In that first war, we were left to fend for ourselves without them.

It's the exact same way of thinking that the Germans and even the Poles approach things.
LP
wiredseal7 wiredseal7 Regular
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#2080 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:Exactly. He spent months insisting he had no intention of invading Ukraine, and now suddenly he's "withdrawing forces" from the outskirts of Kyiv.
The guy is a pathological liar, and frankly, everyone sees right through him... except, of course, for those delusional little Russophiles who refuse to wake up.
Best,

So, Putin's defeated and his economy is trashed. Are we closing this thread or what?

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