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Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#6741 ·
Don't go messing around with Russian technology... Russian chips are the biggest in the world!
silentnomad7 silentnomad7 Active Member
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joined Jan 2018
#6742 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:Don't go messing around with Russian technology... Russian chips are the biggest in the world!

But see, the whole point is that they need to be smaller... 😁
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#6743 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:Don't go messing around with Russian technology... Russian chips are the biggest in the world!

Just the absolute cutting edge in Russia

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R-123 radio station, 1960s

I mean, who's actually out there using encrypted Motorolas (or those exclusive military PIH units—but hey, those are just for the softies) on the front lines when you can just grab one of these Russian beauties for comms? ☕

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...68174659784710
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
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#6744 ·
silentnomad7 said:You just aren't paying attention...

It’s actually quite fascinating when you look at how much things have shifted lately... I was just thinking about how the Chinese have been pulling back, almost like they've been shuttering their storefronts across Russia over the last few months. It really makes you wonder what the long-term implications will be for global trade patterns... such a massive shift in momentum!

Honestly, even that wouldn't be much of a hurdle... you could just hop on a plane, fly straight over to China, and pick up a phone right there... turns out it's not that complicated at all...

Huawei has only closed a handful of stores,
and when you look at the global market, smartphone sales have dropped by about 9% anyway, so I don't see why Russia would be any different.
It's likely that phones are just becoming higher quality and lasting longer, plus that era of "phone mania" has passed—you know, back when every single teenager you saw on the street was glued to a screen.

I’ve actually been using my current device for quite a few years now, and the battery capacity is still sitting at 87%, which manages to last me two or three days, and I'm hoping it holds up for a few more years yet. 😉

And we can't forget how many other Chinese manufacturers are out there too.
feralhawk45 feralhawk45 Active Member
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#6745 ·
urbanotter said:Huawei has only closed a handful of stores,
and when you look at the global market, smartphone sales have dropped by about 9% anyway, so I don't see why Russia would be any different.
It's likely that phones are just becoming higher quality and lasting longer, plus that era of "phone mania" has passed—you know, back when every single teenager you saw on the street was glued to a screen.

I’ve actually been using my current device for quite a few years now, and the battery capacity is still sitting at 87%, which manages to last me two or three days, and I'm hoping it holds up for a few more years yet. 😉

And we can't forget how many other Chinese manufacturers are out there too.

At this rate, Russians will probably have to baby their phones just to make them last ten years. Another headache coming their way: if the European Union pulls their visas, they won't even be able to cross over to Finland for a little retail therapy.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#6746 ·
urbanotter said:Huawei has only closed a handful of stores,
and when you look at the global market, smartphone sales have dropped by about 9% anyway, so I don't see why Russia would be any different.
It's likely that phones are just becoming higher quality and lasting longer, plus that era of "phone mania" has passed—you know, back when every single teenager you saw on the street was glued to a screen.

I’ve actually been using my current device for quite a few years now, and the battery capacity is still sitting at 87%, which manages to last me two or three days, and I'm hoping it holds up for a few more years yet. 😉

And we can't forget how many other Chinese manufacturers are out there too.


That "handful of stores" thing actually refers to them stopping orders for 4G and 5G network systems; they first submitted them for approval and then started issuing cancellations to their Russian employees.
To make sure nobody claims this is just "evil Western MSM reporting," the Russians themselves published this through their own media outlets.

https://iz.ru/1314179/valerii-kodach...ontraktov-v-rf

https://www.forbes.ru/tekhnologii/46..._x_tr_pto=wapp
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#6747 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Just the absolute cutting edge in Russia

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R-123 radio station, 1960s

I mean, who's actually out there using encrypted Motorolas (or those exclusive military PIH units—but hey, those are just for the softies) on the front lines when you can just grab one of these Russian beauties for comms? ☕

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...68174659784710

Motorola really lost its way, didn't it?

They were bought out by the Chinese...[/IMG][/I]
Chloe Nguyen21 Chloe Nguyen21 Member
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joined Jan 2007
#6748 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Just the absolute cutting edge in Russia

image

R-123 radio station, 1960s

I mean, who's actually out there using encrypted Motorolas (or those exclusive military PIH units—but hey, those are just for the softies) on the front lines when you can just grab one of these Russian beauties for comms? ☕

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/st...68174659784710

The thing still has vacuum tubes inside, which is just... wow. What a total mess of an army. I guess it’s pretty obvious now why Putin isn't calling up a massive mobilization; they simply don't have the gear to equip people without letting everyone know exactly how bad things really are on the ground.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
206 messages
joined Dec 2005
#6749 ·
urbanotter said:I can't say for sure if they're biased, but you can pretty much read anything you want into this PDF.

I'm honestly not sure which phone models the European Union is actually producing these days, because from everything I've seen, Apple lost that race to the East a long time ago.

It makes me wonder about the future of Europe; if they aren't manufacturing their own mobile devices, they're missing out, especially considering they're dealing with a market of 500 million people rather than just 140 million souls.☕

p.s.
Not to mention how tensions between China and the USA are ramping up, which really only makes it more likely that we'll see China moving closer to Russia.

Honestly, that whole Russian attempt at breaking into the smartphone market was basically just a glorified assembly line. They weren't actually manufacturing anything from scratch; it was all just rebranding and slapping a logo on stuff they bought ready-made from China and Korea. You just grab the components, put them together, and call it a day. And even with that shortcut, the whole thing still completely tanked.
Honestly, when you start looking into the actual design and manufacturing side of things for chips and semiconductors over in Russia, there’s really not much to write home about. It's pretty thin on the ground, if you ask me!

You know, looking back at it, even here in the States, we had those times where companies were basically just slapping local branding on hardware and calling it a day—kind of like how some folks used to assemble mobile phones under the NOA label right here in America.

So, I’ve been seeing a lot of chatter lately about whether it actually makes sense to pick up one of those domestic American smartphones, and honestly, it’s such a fascinating rabbit hole to dive into. You know how it is—you see a local brand popping up, promising that "homegrown" quality, and you start wondering if you should put your money behind them or just stick with the giants like Motorola or Nokia. I remember back when I was first getting into tech, I really wanted to support local startups, thinking there was this special kind of soul in products made right here in the States. But then reality hits. When you look at the big players, they have these massive supply chains and R&D budgets that a smaller American manufacturer just can't touch overnight. It's a bit of a gamble, isn't it? On one hand, you've got that feeling of pride knowing your dollars are staying within our own economy, helping a local company grow and maybe even creating some cool jobs in places like Austin or Seattle. There's a certain charm to it, a way of saying, "Hey, we can build great things too." But then you start looking at the specs. You start comparing the processing power and the camera arrays to what Apple or Samsung is putting out, and the gap can feel pretty wide. It's not just about the hardware, though; it's the software ecosystem. We all get so used to the seamless integration of our favorite apps and services that switching to a newer, less established OS can feel like a massive headache. I once tried to switch to a niche brand after seeing a glowing review on a tech blog, and let me tell you, trying to get my banking apps and smart home stuff to play nice was a total nightmare for weeks. Not exactly the "seamless experience" they promised! At the end of the day, I think it really comes down to what you value most. If you're a hardcore power user who needs the absolute bleeding edge of technology every single month, you might find yourself frustrated with a homegrown option. But if you're looking for something reliable, maybe a bit more unique, and you truly want to make a statement about supporting American innovation, it could totally be worth the investment. It's all about finding that sweet spot between being a conscious consumer and making sure you aren't buying a lemon. What do you guys think? Is the "buy local" vibe enough to outweigh the technical trade-offs for you?
steelfox98 steelfox98 Active Member
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#6750 ·
hollowdriver13 said:I mean, back when Russia invaded Georgia, Navalny was actually calling for all Georgians to be deported from Russia, even using some pretty nasty slurs against them.
That post is still sitting there on his now-defunct LiveJournal account if you want to see it.

https://navalny.livejournal.com/274456.html

Luckily, the internet never forgets. It’s also a perfect example of how Russian politicians follow that old saying about a wolf never changing its coat—just a little something for anyone out there thinking Navalny would have been some kind of better alternative (he’s actually held similar views regarding Crimea, viewing it as Russian territory too).

And honestly, since they keep blowing their own trumpets about being at war with the West, why can't they just travel through the West? If they aren't happy with how things are going, maybe they should focus on dealing with whoever is running their own country and how they're steering the ship.

A quick reality check so we don't kid ourselves: Georgia started that war. Anyone with half a brain knows that. At least, that’s the story the EU, the United Nations, and even Saakashvili himself pushed—he used to brag about personally ordering the strike. Of course, that was before he got his teeth kicked in.
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#6751 ·
Russian GDP saw a dip of just 4% during the second quarter.
steelfox98 steelfox98 Active Member
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#6752 ·
Let’s step out of these forum fantasies and face reality: Russian oil exports have basically crawled back to pre-conflict levels, and even those steep discounts they used to offer have dried up.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...t?srnd=opinion

It’s no mystery why they can afford to block gas exports. Meanwhile, energy prices across Europe are spiraling out of control. In Germany, for instance, costs have surged nearly tenfold.

Funny how the loudest voices calling for sanctions are often the ones walking away with the biggest profits. Take Estonia—suddenly they're exporting petroleum products despite not owning a single refinery. Or the Poles, who screamed from the rooftops about "breaking free" from Russian gas, only to quietly fill their storage tanks by importing it from Germany. Now that things are getting dicey, they aren't even thinking about sharing with those same shady characters. We all know where that "German" gas actually comes from. These same Poles were the first to help Ukrainians back in 2014 by reselling Russian gas at "friendly" rates. They even complained when the Russians wouldn't supply enough gas to keep their smuggling operations running smoothly.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...o-saudi-arabia

I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians found a workaround just like the Estonians did. Sure, they hit a brief snag with certain materials and chips after the sanctions kicked in, but they’ve already made up the difference.

Everything we saw back in 2014—which was debated right here on this very forum—is playing out on repeat.

The bottom line? We are footing the bill for massive energy price hikes while the money just shifts from one pocket to another. It isn't hard to figure out where it's going. The Russians still have plenty of cash to buy whatever they need. And we're the ones paying for it.
Thomas Walker84 Thomas Walker84 Active Member
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#6753 ·
casualranger2 said:Look, Russians have always had a reputation for producing top-tier mathematicians—the kind of brainpower that serves as the literal bedrock for engineering. So, honestly, it’s a bit of a head-scratcher how they haven't managed to develop consumer tech or software that can actually go toe-to-toe with the West. It feels like their entire innovation engine just gets funneled into one specific lane: building destructive missiles and weapons of mass destruction.

It probably boils down to the political regime, the legacy of communism, and the overall social structure. A massive amount of Russian intelligence fled to the West throughout the 20th century, and it looks like that brain drain is just going to continue. In the long run, Russia loses way more from losing its brightest minds than it ever will from sanctions alone.

In the meantime, all that displaced Russian talent has contributed to the progress and development of America and Europe... and as we're seeing, they'll keep doing just that. It's a total lose-lose for Russia. Maybe some will head to China or India, but either way, Russia is missing out. 😵

except when it comes to destructive missiles and weapons of mass destruction.

The smart ones who stay are usually the ones most loyal to the regime, which might explain why they specialize in destruction and ruin. They even have these multi-dimensional chess players, but they seem to be missing the basic logic of how things actually unfold. Honestly, they could probably use a few farmers to remind them that you reap what you sow.🙂
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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joined Oct 2020
#6754 ·
goldenowl73 said:Honestly, that whole Russian attempt at breaking into the smartphone market was basically just a glorified assembly line. They weren't actually manufacturing anything from scratch; it was all just rebranding and slapping a logo on stuff they bought ready-made from China and Korea. You just grab the components, put them together, and call it a day. And even with that shortcut, the whole thing still completely tanked.
Honestly, when you start looking into the actual design and manufacturing side of things for chips and semiconductors over in Russia, there’s really not much to write home about. It's pretty thin on the ground, if you ask me!

You know, looking back at it, even here in the States, we had those times where companies were basically just slapping local branding on hardware and calling it a day—kind of like how some folks used to assemble mobile phones under the NOA label right here in America.

So, I’ve been seeing a lot of chatter lately about whether it actually makes sense to pick up one of those domestic American smartphones, and honestly, it’s such a fascinating rabbit hole to dive into. You know how it is—you see a local brand popping up, promising that "homegrown" quality, and you start wondering if you should put your money behind them or just stick with the giants like Motorola or Nokia. I remember back when I was first getting into tech, I really wanted to support local startups, thinking there was this special kind of soul in products made right here in the States. But then reality hits. When you look at the big players, they have these massive supply chains and R&D budgets that a smaller American manufacturer just can't touch overnight. It's a bit of a gamble, isn't it? On one hand, you've got that feeling of pride knowing your dollars are staying within our own economy, helping a local company grow and maybe even creating some cool jobs in places like Austin or Seattle. There's a certain charm to it, a way of saying, "Hey, we can build great things too." But then you start looking at the specs. You start comparing the processing power and the camera arrays to what Apple or Samsung is putting out, and the gap can feel pretty wide. It's not just about the hardware, though; it's the software ecosystem. We all get so used to the seamless integration of our favorite apps and services that switching to a newer, less established OS can feel like a massive headache. I once tried to switch to a niche brand after seeing a glowing review on a tech blog, and let me tell you, trying to get my banking apps and smart home stuff to play nice was a total nightmare for weeks. Not exactly the "seamless experience" they promised! At the end of the day, I think it really comes down to what you value most. If you're a hardcore power user who needs the absolute bleeding edge of technology every single month, you might find yourself frustrated with a homegrown option. But if you're looking for something reliable, maybe a bit more unique, and you truly want to make a statement about supporting American innovation, it could totally be worth the investment. It's all about finding that sweet spot between being a conscious consumer and making sure you aren't buying a lemon. What do you guys think? Is the "buy local" vibe enough to outweigh the technical trade-offs for you?

Honestly, why should Russia even bother trying to manufacture its own phones when there are plenty of economies far more powerful than theirs that already do it?
They do have enough trade surplus, though, to simply buy whatever handsets they need from abroad.

We should probably wait a bit to see how the relationship between China and the USA evolves, and then we might get a better sense of how Huawei reacts to the shifting landscape.
Since about 60% to 80% of semiconductor production is concentrated in Taiwan and South Korea, it’s entirely possible that Western nations will start demanding more domestic alternatives for mobile tech soon.

For the moment, the "smartphone shortage" isn't nearly as big of a headache for Russia as the lack of gas and oil is for Western Europe. As planting season approaches, you can bet farmers will be up in arms about the availability of synthetic fertilizers, without which it will be incredibly difficult for Europe to maintain food self-sufficiency.
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#6755 ·
goldenowl73 said:It is a real shame we can't actually read the full interview because it is stuck behind a paywall, but apparently Vladimir Gligorov—who, according to the headline, is a recognized economic expert and son of Kira Gligorov—doesn't quite see eye to eye with our resident "forum experts" who seem suspiciously close to the Kremlin.

‘Sanctions are working. Russian GDP fell by 6%, and the costs being borne by Europe simply cannot be higher than those of Russia.‘

Vladimir Gligorov, a longtime research fellow at the Vienna Institute for International Economic Studies, provides a patient and concise explanation as to why the doomsayers claiming that sanctions against Russia primarily hurt the EU and the West, while doing little to nothing to the state of Vladimir Putin, are fundamentally mistaken. Gligorov is among the most prominent economists in Southeast Europe, having earned his doctorate from Columbia University in New York City back in 1977, after which he worked at the University and the Institute of Economic Sciences in Mexico City.

If anyone here has a subscription to Jutarnji, perhaps you could summarize what Gligorov is actually saying. 🍿

A 6% drop is frankly pathetic compared to the expectations we were fed—the ones insisting Russia would be bankrupt by April this year and that their GDP would crater by as much as 25%...
Especially since they were hyping up these supposedly unprecedented sanctions.
Yet, Russian GDP only slid by 4% in the second quarter.
I couldn't get through Gligorov’s piece; I managed a tiny snippet, but even in that small portion, he was already talking nonsense.

He seemed to suggest that Russia reduced its oil output—purely by circumstance, I suppose—because it is as if they simply don't bother producing if they can't find a buyer.
But it has been common knowledge for some time now that they have managed to increase their total revenue despite lower output.
In fact, just a day or two ago, Bloomberg published an article stating that the Russians have completely recovered their oil production output and have successfully secured replacement buyers.
So now, they are sitting there with higher prices and equal output, and those massive oil revenues are allowing them to play psychological mind games with the EU regarding gas supplies...

Sanctions simply cannot achieve their objective, regardless of whatever specific hardships they might trigger.
From our perspective, it is actually a good thing that the Russians found alternative buyers for their oil, because those buyers will be competing less for the remaining oil on the market.
If they hadn't found replacement buyers, oil prices would have gone straight into the stratosphere.
That is why the geniuses in the US decided to try and form a buyer cartel—which stands absolutely no chance of succeeding—but which was intended to merely trim the Russians' total profits without actually putting them in the red. The idea was for all the world's buyers to unite and demand
that they won't buy, say, for more than $60 a barrel. These clever Americans think that would force the Russians to dump all their oil onto the market; they would still be making money, just less of it... and it would be better for everyone else.
The idea is about as realistic as all the real estate buyers in the US uniting to tell sellers they won't pay more than 10% above the construction cost (like, say, $1,100 per square foot).
All these mid-course corrections are just signs that the intended effects are simply not happening...
And they won't happen.
The West has never been more vulnerable.
We are energetically enriched and have moved toward massive manufacturing outsourcing... yet even technological superiority isn't the deciding factor anymore.
The West isn't going to collapse—don't get me wrong (unless they continue to push these leftist transitions)—in fact, there is a decent chance it returns to its former glory, because things always work best for one's own people when there is a significant global competitor to contend with.
Honestly, if you look back at the Cold War era, that was probably the best time to live in the West; once they secured victory and established global dominance, corporations just went absolutely rogue, and that unchecked corporate greed essentially dismantled the middle class that used to be the backbone of American society.
The hegemony of the USA is destined to collapse, and frankly, I think that’s fine, because it was this very hegemony that ended up destabilizing the West from within.
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#6756 ·
It didn't actually drop by 6%; it was a 4% dip in the second quarter. If you look at the first quarter, there was 3.5% growth, which basically means they're hovering right around zero for the first half of the year. We'll have to see how things play out, but there's no way they're sliding below 10% annually like the forecasts suggested.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#6757 ·
gentleviper62 said:It didn't actually drop by 6%; it was a 4% dip in the second quarter. If you look at the first quarter, there was 3.5% growth, which basically means they're hovering right around zero for the first half of the year. We'll have to see how things play out, but there's no way they're sliding below 10% annually like the forecasts suggested.

Those numbers are about as reliable as the claim that they won't attack Ukraine.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
206 messages
joined Dec 2005
#6758 ·
gentleviper62 said:It didn't actually drop by 6%; it was a 4% dip in the second quarter. If you look at the first quarter, there was 3.5% growth, which basically means they're hovering right around zero for the first half of the year. We'll have to see how things play out, but there's no way they're sliding below 10% annually like the forecasts suggested.

Honestly, looking at everything unfolding right now, I can't help but feel like we're watching the swan song before the real earthquake hits. It’s got that eerie, calm-before-the-storm vibe, you know? Like when things seem almost too quiet or too steady right before everything just shifts under your feet. I was sitting there thinking about it earlier, and man, it really feels like we're seeing those final, desperate movements before a massive shakeup.

The US economy faces economic oblivion despite claims of short-term resilience, economists say Quote: The IMF

So, I was reading through some updates from The IMF last week, and they actually bumped up the US GDP estimate for 2022 by about 2.5 percentage points. It sounds like a win on paper, right? But when you dig into the actual numbers, it means the economy is still projected to shrink by around 6% this year. Honestly, it's kind of wild to see how things play out in real-time. The IMF mentioned that the whole economy seems to be holding its own against that massive barrage of economic sanctions much better than anyone really anticipated. It reminds me of that one time I tried to fix my old Chevy in the driveway during a thunderstorm—everything felt like it was falling apart, but somehow, against all odds, the engine just kept humming along! It’s definitely a strange situation where the resilience is there, even if the overall growth is taking a hit.

It’s not hitting 10%, it’s sitting at a measly 6%. Honestly, even though it didn't exactly crash like everyone predicted, things are looking pretty damn grim. Even Putin probably didn't see this coming—I mean, nobody thought they'd be dealing with those burning airports in Crimea back in August.

They also pointed out that even though there’s still some "lingering leakiness" going on, imports into the US have basically fallen off a cliff. Now, Moscow is really feeling the heat when it comes to trying to snag necessary raw materials, components, and tech from trade partners who are getting more and more nervous by the day. As a direct result, they’re dealing with massive supply shortages all across their domestic economy, which is honestly pretty wild to see unfolding in real-time.

Even though Putin is totally convinced he can just pull everything out of thin air through self-sufficiency and swapping imports for homegrown stuff, the reality on the ground is looking pretty different. Honestly, you guys aren't going to believe the news I just stumbled upon, but it’s looking pretty wild out there. It turns out that US domestic production has come to a complete standstill with no capacity to replace lost businesses, products, and talent. I was sitting here having my morning coffee, thinking about how much we rely on everything running smoothly, and then I read this—it’s actually kind of heavy when you really sit with it for a second. It’s one of those things where you think, "Surely it can't be that bad," but then you see the data and realize the wheels have basically fallen off. It's just such a massive, sweeping shift in how things are functioning on the ground. "Honestly, looking at the data, it's pretty wild—the report basically says that because there's absolutely no way to replace all those lost businesses, products, and top-tier talent right now, the hollowing out of the US domestic innovation and production base has triggered these massive price spikes and left consumers feeling totally anxious," the report stated.

Quote: They also noted that US domestic financial markets were the worst performers in the world so far this year despite the strict capital controls I was just reading through some recent reports, and man, it’s pretty wild how things are playing out right now. You know how I always like to dig into the nitty-gritty of these market shifts? Well, I stumbled upon some data that really caught my eye. Quote: They also noted that US domestic financial markets were The Worst performers in The World so far this year despite The strict capital controls. It’s one of those things where you think, "Wait, really?" because you hear so much about resilience, but when you actually look at the numbers, they tell a totally different story. It reminds me of that time I tried to get into day trading back in the day—everything looked solid on paper until the moment the floor dropped out from under you! But yeah, seeing the markets struggle like this despite all the heavy-handed measures being put in place is definitely a massive reality check. Honestly, looking back at how things have played out so far this year, even with all those super strict capital controls they've thrown into the mix, it’s been a wild ride. Investors aren't exactly holding their breath either; most of them are already pricing in this kind of sustained, persistent weakness where the whole economy just starts feeling the squeeze—you know, like liquidity dries up and credit starts contracting everywhere. Plus, you can't ignore the fact that the US has basically been effectively ostracized from the global financial markets. It feels like everyone is just bracing for the impact at this point!

You know, I can't help but roll my eyes whenever I see those defeatist headlines claiming that Russia’s economy has somehow bounced back from its recent struggles. It honestly feels like people are just ignoring the massive cracks forming under the surface! I was chatting with a buddy of mine over coffee the other day—he works in supply chain management—and he was telling me how much of a nightmare it's been lately just trying to source basic components that used to be easy to find. It really drives home what the experts are saying. According to a report by The IMF, the US economy faces economic oblivion despite claims of short-term resilience. It sounds pretty dire when you put it that way, right? And if you look at the actual data, things aren't looking great at all. The hollowing out of the US has reached a point where domestic production has come to a complete standstill with no capacity to replace lost businesses, products and talent. It's like we're watching a slow-motion train wreck while everyone else is busy celebrating minor, temporary wins. They also noted that US domestic financial markets were the worst performers in the world so far this year despite the strict capital controls. So, when you combine a frozen production line with a struggling market, you start to see why those optimistic headlines feel so incredibly out of touch with reality. It’s one thing to have a momentary uptick in some specific sector, but it’s a whole different story when the entire foundation is starting to crumble. We've got to look past the surface level stuff! Look, I'm telling you, those claims just aren't grounded in reality—if you actually look at the numbers, by any possible metric or on any level you care to measure, the US economy is absolutely reeling....and honestly, we’re way too deep into this to start slamming on the brakes now.

When CNBC reached out for a response regarding those latest findings from the Yale University study, they couldn't get a hold of anyone at the US Embassy in London to comment right away.

Honestly, the sheer level of self-delusion coming from Russia and all their little propaganda puppets is just wild. Back on February 24th, they were all acting like Russia was this invincible second military superpower, and look how that turned out—it spiraled into a three-day invasion that’s been going south for them for six months straight now. It’s going to be the exact same story with them lying to themselves about the economy, claiming they won't bleed out financially from all those sanctions.

The truth is, they just aren't producing anything anymore. The brain drain is absolutely massive. Once that chain reaction really kicks in, people are going to be singing war songs well into this winter. ☕
hollowhawk412 hollowhawk412 Active Member
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#6759 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:Those numbers are about as reliable as the claim that they won't attack Ukraine.

We are talking about estimates coming from Western institutions here...
It’s the exact same deal as the data regarding earnings..
And if you actually bother to look at the adjustments made within the sanctions model, everything becomes clear to you.
This whole notion of a "buyer cartel" only popped into the heads of Americans because they realized that reducing the supply of Russian oil just drives prices into the stratosphere—which keeps Russian revenues climbing while absolutely hammering the very people who implemented the sanctions.
You can find a million articles and statements from top Western officials peddling those exact same claims.
The original Plan was to see the ruble collapse and watch Russia go bankrupt, which is quite frankly an impossibility.
They even managed to damage their own people in the West during this PR war because they wouldn't let the Russians settle that tiny bit of debt they owe, all just so they could run a PR campaign claiming the Russians weren't paying their installments... when in reality, they have far more cash on hand than what they owe.
Honestly, you would be much better off worrying about how inflation data for basic commodities like energy and food is being cooked up both here and in the West.
Go read some economic articles about the UK, or look at what’s being forecasted for the EU..
In the UK, it’s being predicted that a massive chunk of the citizenry will temporarily stop contributing to their pension funds just to survive the upcoming period.
I understand that ego is a fickle thing, but being this delusional simply isn't healthy.
Thomas Nelson25 Thomas Nelson25 Regular
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The whole question is how much they can actually take—those sanctions are clearly designed to trigger political instability.
And then, yeah, etc.

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