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Charles Mendoza2 Charles Mendoza2 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Mar 2022
#7021 ·
Regarding what things actually cost... from the people I know living in Moscow.
Anything coming out of Russia carries a 30% markup.
And if it's imported from abroad? You're looking at two or three times the price.
Harold Nelson6 Harold Nelson6 Member
32 messages
joined Oct 2013
#7022 ·
urbanotter said:Think about it—what does a central bank really need in terms of foreign currency when they can just print more of their own? In this case, ExxonMobil is essentially buying from Russian importers who have been paid in foreign currency to cover their import costs; it’s a standard economic cycle seen in almost any nation.
The Federal Reserve doesn't exist just to facilitate currency trades for importers and exporters; it isn't like the old days of the Central Bank of America, where the primary goal was simply maintaining price stability by pegging the kuna to the Euro.
Looking back, we can clearly see how much "stability" that policy actually achieved.

Honestly, it’s ridiculous. Just ten days ago, you could pick up a candy bar for $2.00/, and now you can't find one for less than $9.90. So much for "stable" prices.

The specific account opened by ExxonMobil is designed specifically to bypass the freezes on funds meant for gas payments within Western banks that have slapped sanctions on Russia.

It isn't just a matter of buying and selling currency based on supply and demand; the converted funds actually remain sitting within the Russian banking system.

Because Russia is seeing such a massive trade surplus due to the drop in imports, the ruble has actually strengthened beyond what the government wants.
Now, the Central Bank is stepping in with measures to weaken an overly strong ruble because it’s starting to act as a bottleneck for Russian exports.
And remember, Russia isn't just exporting energy; they export a wide range of goods and raw materials. This is going to create significant issues with grain supplies, too. We're looking at expected yields in Ukraine dropping by as much as 50%, and with droughts ravaging American agriculture right now, yields for soft crops could easily be cut in half as well.
The rain just won't come when it's needed most, and if it finally does arrive, the damage will already be done.
Beyond just market volatility, we should probably prepare for food prices to keep climbing while everyone else tightens their belts; it’s highly unlikely that wages will keep pace with the rising cost of groceries.

Could you please explain what's actually driving inflation in Russia—since it's currently higher than the inflation rate in the European Union?

I think we can all agree that rising energy costs are a massive driver for inflation in the European Union, but what on earth could be fueling it for the Russians?
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
265 messages
joined Apr 2022
#7023 ·
urbanotter said:The Western buyer was buying rubles, not paying for gas.

You can only pay for gas in rubles, and you can acquire those rubles using Yuan if that's what you have on hand.

I don't really have anything to add there; the Russian economy dropped by about 4%, which is quite different from the 11.5% or higher many were anticipating.

It seems a few people's crystal balls were a bit off.

That dip wasn't exactly a shocker, considering how many Western companies pulled out of Russia due to the sanctions.
At the end of the day, most of that is just service-sector stuff. A Russian citizen isn't going to starve just because they can't grab a McDonald's burger, but a German might be shivering in 20-degree weather when it hits -20 outside if the gas runs out or becomes prohibitively expensive.
Word is that prices hit $3,000 per 1,000m3, while Russian gas was being sold for under $300.😉

Reuters isn't exactly delivering any sunshine regarding the German economy lately.

https://www.rekreativno.info/2022/08...85C2msIvaXWz20

So, the Western buyer sends 100 million Euros to Gazprombank, and you're telling me he paid in rubles. Sure, okay!
On the day of the invasion, the USD/RUB rate was 80, now it's 60. Back then, Russian GDP per capita was about $10k, or 800,000 RUB. Since then, there's been a 4% drop in USD terms, bringing it down to $9,600. That translates to roughly 560,000 RUB.
Bottom line: before the invasion, Russian GDP per capita was 800,000 RUB, today it's 560,000 RUB. That’s a 40% crash. How do you spin that? Plus, prices within Russia have climbed in rubles. Smells like a disaster to me. Mark my words.
Car production alone tanked by 97%... where did the rest of it go?
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
705 messages
joined Feb 2022
#7024 ·
urbanotter said:Think about it—what does a central bank really need in terms of foreign currency when they can just print more of their own? In this case, ExxonMobil is essentially buying from Russian importers who have been paid in foreign currency to cover their import costs; it’s a standard economic cycle seen in almost any nation.
The Federal Reserve doesn't exist just to facilitate currency trades for importers and exporters; it isn't like the old days of the Central Bank of America, where the primary goal was simply maintaining price stability by pegging the kuna to the Euro.
Looking back, we can clearly see how much "stability" that policy actually achieved.

Honestly, it’s ridiculous. Just ten days ago, you could pick up a candy bar for $2.00/, and now you can't find one for less than $9.90. So much for "stable" prices.

The specific account opened by ExxonMobil is designed specifically to bypass the freezes on funds meant for gas payments within Western banks that have slapped sanctions on Russia.

It isn't just a matter of buying and selling currency based on supply and demand; the converted funds actually remain sitting within the Russian banking system.

Because Russia is seeing such a massive trade surplus due to the drop in imports, the ruble has actually strengthened beyond what the government wants.
Now, the Central Bank is stepping in with measures to weaken an overly strong ruble because it’s starting to act as a bottleneck for Russian exports.
And remember, Russia isn't just exporting energy; they export a wide range of goods and raw materials. This is going to create significant issues with grain supplies, too. We're looking at expected yields in Ukraine dropping by as much as 50%, and with droughts ravaging American agriculture right now, yields for soft crops could easily be cut in half as well.
The rain just won't come when it's needed most, and if it finally does arrive, the damage will already be done.
Beyond just market volatility, we should probably prepare for food prices to keep climbing while everyone else tightens their belts; it’s highly unlikely that wages will keep pace with the rising cost of groceries.

I started typing out a rebuttal to this three different times, but then I realized I was just wasting my keystrokes.

You’ve got a chronic lack of economic knowledge paired with a massive case of Dunning-Kruger.

Just a little heads-up for you: foreign buyers don't send money directly to ExxonMobil; they send it to JPMorgan Chase, and then the conversions happen from there.

According to TASS, the procedure for buyers’ special accounts with JPMorgan Chase will be determined by the Federal Reserve.

So yeah, RUBLE STRONK!!! 👍

The whole West is falling apart (has been since the days of the USSR) while Russia just keeps rolling.
Jesse Hughes6 Jesse Hughes6 Active Member
76 messages
joined May 2023
#7025 ·
Harold Nelson6 said:Could you please explain what's actually driving inflation in Russia—since it's currently higher than the inflation rate in the European Union?

I think we can all agree that rising energy costs are a massive driver for inflation in the European Union, but what on earth could be fueling it for the Russians?

The sheer strength of the Russian economy. They’ve got enough cash on hand to throw around like it’s nothing.
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
431 messages
joined Oct 2020
#7026 ·
pronto2 said:I just can't tell if those EU clowns—sorry, let me say "experts"—are consciously shooting themselves in the foot here, or if
they were all just caught completely off guard by this mess.

It’s all retirees on life support.

With only a 2.2% adjustment to social security, those machines aren't doing much to help them.

About two weeks ago at a Walmart near Marinić's in San Francisco, they put two pallets of sugar on sale for about $0.50 a pound.
Within an hour, there wasn't a single grain of sugar left on those pallets.

p.s.
Without doing some "expert" study of the weekly circulars and sales lists, you'll see fewer and fewer people going out to shop.
I watch the shoppers closely; most of them walk around holding a little scrap of paper listing the sale items, and those products vanish from the shelves in a heartbeat.

The sanctions are clearly working.😁
steelheron25 steelheron25 Active Member
61 messages
joined Mar 2022
#7027 ·
Oh heavens, woe is us, we’ll all be freezing our tails off and starving in the dark because we don't have Russia to bail us out... why, oh why, did the US and its allies drag us into this mess? 🙂

Just another one of those self-proclaimed "expert analysts" predicting the literal apocalypse, yet here we are, still spinning.
I’d bet my last dollar that absolutely nothing catastrophic is going to happen this winter, other than perhaps some professional doom-mongers having to scramble for new ways to spread their tired little mantras.
Amanda Flores88 Amanda Flores88 Active Member
89 messages
joined May 2023
#7028 ·
pronto2 said:I just don't know—are these EU clowns—pardon me, "experts"—knowingly shooting themselves in the foot, or
did this whole mess just catch them totally off guard?

Retirees living on life support.

It’s almost like they’re enjoying the chaos. Small business owners are landing contracts while getting hit with electricity bills up to five times higher than before—we're talking monthly bills jumping from maybe $2,000 to over $7,000.

And then you've got these guys—either they're riding the government payroll or they haven't even moved out of their mom's basement. It's total Scarlett mode, much like our Government saying they'll "look into it" sometime... maybe by autumn. 🙏

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dustyowl29 dustyowl29 Regular
258 messages
joined Dec 2007
#7029 ·
So, the Brits are refusing to pay their utility bills, and half the public sector is out on strike... what a mess.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
175 messages
joined Aug 2016
#7030 ·
Amanda Flores88 said:It’s almost like they’re enjoying the chaos. Small business owners are landing contracts while getting hit with electricity bills up to five times higher than before—we're talking monthly bills jumping from maybe $2,000 to over $7,000.

And then you've got these guys—either they're riding the government payroll or they haven't even moved out of their mom's basement. It's total Scarlett mode, much like our Government saying they'll "look into it" sometime... maybe by autumn. 🙏

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So, what’s your actual proposal? Support an invasion of a sovereign nation? Do nothing? Or actively aid the aggressor? I haven't seen a single concrete suggestion on this forum other than suggesting we ignore the crisis entirely, or worse, force a country to surrender its territory just because our power bills are getting too high.🤦
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
84 messages
joined Feb 2020
#7031 ·
The rising costs of groceries, electricity, and gas have very little to do with the war in Ukraine, just saying.☕
Donna Harris11 Donna Harris11 Active Member
164 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7032 ·
Operation Thermostat
This is how the European Union is gearing up for a brutal winter without any gas from Russia

operation thermostat
operation baby blankets
operation thermal socks
rowdytiger13 rowdytiger13 Regular
378 messages
joined Oct 2018
#7033 ·
China is feeling the heat too. It started with the real estate market, and things got messy enough that the central bank had to step in.
Asian markets are just sliding.
The Euro is hitting its lowest levels in two decades, while the Pound is holding steady. Meanwhile, the Dollar is surging—banking experts are saying this momentum is pretty serious.
Well, now things are getting interesting.
Jesse Hughes6 Jesse Hughes6 Active Member
76 messages
joined May 2023
#7034 ·
nimbleviper3 said:The rising costs of groceries, electricity, and gas have very little to do with the war in Ukraine, just saying.☕

You're wasting your breath.
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
84 messages
joined Feb 2020
#7035 ·
Jesse Hughes6 said:You're wasting your breath.

I get it, but this thing is just bigger than me... 😁
Dana Robinson4 Dana Robinson4 Active Member
181 messages
joined Jul 2010
#7036 ·
Donna Harris11 said:
Operation Thermostat
This is how the European Union is gearing up for a brutal winter without any gas from Russia

operation thermostat
operation baby blankets
operation thermal socks

Operation Long Underwear
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
283 messages
joined Aug 2019
#7037 ·
EUR/USD 1.08

Natural gas prices on the Henry Hub are holding steady at around $2.50 per MMBtu.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
361 messages
joined Mar 2023
#7038 ·
Man, we're all circling the drain here...😁

I look around and honestly, it feels like half the people I know are struggling just to put food on the table, let alone keep the heat running through the winter... and it’s all being blamed on those sanctions against Russia🤣 ...man, I wouldn't mind having a slice of that Russian prosperity instead of this total American meltdown...😵

It doesn't matter if 90% of these doom-and-gloom scenarios are complete nonsense. It doesn't matter that energy prices weren't even tied to the sanctions and were already skyrocketing long before the war in Ukraine kicked off... but none of that matters to the usual suspects. They'll just keep shouting about how incompetent the US is, how "stupid" the sanctions are, how "strong" the dollar is becoming, or how the whole system is collapsing. Just endless noise...

Of course, according to them, everything would be fixed if we just scrapped the sanctions entirely and let Russia do whatever the hell they want...
How dense do you have to be to constantly peddle the same garbage that the usual idiots are always spewing?
Morgan Morales4 Morgan Morales4 Member
36 messages
joined Mar 2022
#7039 ·
rowdytiger13 said:China is feeling the heat too. It started with the real estate market, and things got messy enough that the central bank had to step in.
Asian markets are just sliding.
The Euro is hitting its lowest levels in two decades, while the Pound is holding steady. Meanwhile, the Dollar is surging—banking experts are saying this momentum is pretty serious.
Well, now things are getting interesting.

Winter usually starts rolling into the US around early November, bringing that first snowfall.
That’s going to be something else to watch. To be honest, I’m no Wall Street economist when it comes to analyzing the Dollar's current surge, so I can't say for sure what the endgame is.
But if you ask me? Opening up Phase 2 is going to feel like dancing in a long-awaited summer thunderstorm.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
2K messages
joined Sep 2009
#7040 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Man, we're all circling the drain here...😁

I look around and honestly, it feels like half the people I know are struggling just to put food on the table, let alone keep the heat running through the winter... and it’s all being blamed on those sanctions against Russia🤣 ...man, I wouldn't mind having a slice of that Russian prosperity instead of this total American meltdown...😵

It doesn't matter if 90% of these doom-and-gloom scenarios are complete nonsense. It doesn't matter that energy prices weren't even tied to the sanctions and were already skyrocketing long before the war in Ukraine kicked off... but none of that matters to the usual suspects. They'll just keep shouting about how incompetent the US is, how "stupid" the sanctions are, how "strong" the dollar is becoming, or how the whole system is collapsing. Just endless noise...

Of course, according to them, everything would be fixed if we just scrapped the sanctions entirely and let Russia do whatever the hell they want...
How dense do you have to be to constantly peddle the same garbage that the usual idiots are always spewing?

It’s honestly wild how many people buy into this stuff.

The idea that Russia is some untouchable superpower, that sanctions don't affect them, or that they've only been using 10% of their military for the last 6 months...

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