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wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#8101 ·
We're looking at a massive, sudden surge in gas supply across the US.

Is there any chance we see prices hit zero? 🤯 Let’s dive in. 1/n
https://twitter.com/AndreasSteno/sta...50621356134400
And now we've got a whole different set of headaches because the pro-Russia crowd is spiraling into a depression, and we're stuck footing the bill for their medication.
Arthur Miller7 Arthur Miller7 Active Member
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#8102 ·
wearytrucker22 said:We're looking at a massive, sudden surge in gas supply across the US.

Is there any chance we see prices hit zero? 🤯 Let’s dive in. 1/n
https://twitter.com/AndreasSteno/sta...50621356134400
And now we've got a whole different set of headaches because the pro-Russia crowd is spiraling into a depression, and we're stuck footing the bill for their medication.

Can someone give me the TL;DR—is LNG pricing dropping too, or is this just talking about natural gas?
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#8103 ·
wearytrucker22 said:We're looking at a massive, sudden surge in gas supply across the US.

Is there any chance we see prices hit zero? 🤯 Let’s dive in. 1/n
https://twitter.com/AndreasSteno/sta...50621356134400
And now we've got a whole different set of headaches because the pro-Russia crowd is spiraling into a depression, and we're stuck footing the bill for their medication.

Man, he totally missed the mark on his prediction—he was actually way too optimistic 🤣 :

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Putin is playing some kind of crazy 66D chess 🙏

But seriously though, I really doubt regular folks are going to feel much of a difference from this spot price collapse, even if certain corporate managers are already rubbing their hands together in anticipation of those sweet bonuses ☕

Also, countries that didn't go overboard filling up their storage will end up in a much better spot, since they can basically drive down the average MWh price by picking up extra gas for peanuts during a Black Friday style sale 🙂
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#8104 ·
Gregory Ramos3 said:Man, he totally missed the mark on his prediction—he was actually way too optimistic 🤣 :

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Putin is playing some kind of crazy 66D chess 🙏

But seriously though, I really doubt regular folks are going to feel much of a difference from this spot price collapse, even if certain corporate managers are already rubbing their hands together in anticipation of those sweet bonuses ☕

Also, countries that didn't go overboard filling up their storage will end up in a much better spot, since they can basically drive down the average MWh price by picking up extra gas for peanuts during a Black Friday style sale 🙂

It brings up that question we were talking about recently—even back in the States—about how much of this was actual chaos versus just frantic day traders and corporations taking advantage of the situation to price gouge people. I mean, these companies have been bragging about record quarterly profits all year long.

In this instance, we pretty much got a front-row seat to capitalism at its absolute worst.
Michael Davis9 Michael Davis9 Active Member
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#8105 ·
The free market is all about give and take. If we hadn't seen those prices hitting the $200–$300 per MWh range—which, let's face it, was exactly why so many people were trucking gas over to the European Union—we wouldn't be looking at storage levels sitting above 90% right now. In Germany, they’re actually sitting at a massive 97%. They literally have nowhere to put all this extra gas; since the heating season is running late and a good chunk of the industrial sector has already switched over to alternative energy sources, demand just isn't what it used to be.

And honestly, without that 97% fill rate, we wouldn't be seeing prices hovering back around the $100 mark either. There are plenty of other moving parts involved, of course, but at its core, the free market is just a pretty straightforward mechanism...
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#8106 ·
Is anyone actually going to restart the fertilizer plants? What the hell are we waiting for? Natural gas is sitting at zero, and here we are just letting all that free fertilizer go to waste! 😁

Every single chemical plant across the European Union has shut down because they couldn't stomach those sky-high energy prices, so why shouldn't they be feeling the squeeze right now?
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#8107 ·
Arthur Miller7 said:Can someone give me the TL;DR—is LNG pricing dropping too, or is this just talking about natural gas?

Every single speculator who jumped in on LNG—whether they were buying from the Chinese, Americans, Russians, or Europeans—is currently sitting on such massive losses that it would actually be cheaper to just give the gas away for free than to pay the storage fees for those LNG tankers. Everything they managed to scrape together since the war started has evaporated.
That’s why you’re seeing natural gas hitting zero or even dipping into negative territory regardless of the market conditions.

Basically, Russia is practically handing out gas for free at this point because nobody in the European Union wants it; there's no demand. It won't be long before crude oil follows suit and crashes below $20 or $30 a barrel.
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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#8108 ·
Back during the height of the pandemic, brokers were essentially dumping oil at a loss just to stay afloat, and now that the government isn't handing out those massive subsidies anymore, you're seeing diesel hit two bucks at the pump. 😁
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#8109 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:Back during the height of the pandemic, brokers were essentially dumping oil at a loss just to stay afloat, and now that the government isn't handing out those massive subsidies anymore, you're seeing diesel hit two bucks at the pump. 😁

https://www.marketwatch.com/investin...countrycode=uk

Brent crude, our main benchmark, has been on a steady slide ever since that brief spike following the news about production cuts.

And this brings us right back to that ugly side of capitalism—even if it really is still the best economic model humans have ever come up with. It's that habit of using global chaos as an "excuse" to jack up prices.

It reminds me of those small local distributors here in the States whining that they went belly up three months ago, yet somehow they're still open for business today.

Going bankrupt while staying in business... talk about Schrödinger's distributors.
Gregory Ramos3 Gregory Ramos3 Active Member
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#8110 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:Is anyone actually going to restart the fertilizer plants? What the hell are we waiting for? Natural gas is sitting at zero, and here we are just letting all that free fertilizer go to waste! 😁

Every single chemical plant across the European Union has shut down because they couldn't stomach those sky-high energy prices, so why shouldn't they be feeling the squeeze right now?

It’s just going to drive demand back up, which means prices will spike all over again..

I feel like we should just keep things simmering on low heat and try to maintain production as much as possible, especially while we wait to see if Putin gets so frustrated that he decides to reroute those pipelines entirely ☕
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#8111 ·
Massive ships loaded with LNG are practically idling off the coast of America... "It’s blindingly obvious we're looking at a massive shift here."
The LNG tankers have already reached American waters, though they haven't started unloading just yet.

Well, obviously—if nobody wants the gas, what are they supposed to do with it? It just sits there.

What's going to happen to those poor Russians and their stinking gas now?
Nathan Evans78 Nathan Evans78 Regular
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#8112 ·
Brent is hovering near $95, TTF contracts have climbed past €110, and the German CPI just spiked to 10.04%...

Everything is still sitting way higher than it used to back in those better days. 🍿

Meanwhile, the Russians are busy melting through their central bank reserves—just burned through another few billion dollars there.

At this point, I don't think FOR NOW anyone has actually come out on top in this economic war. ☕
wearytrucker22 wearytrucker22 Active Member
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#8113 ·
Nathan Evans78 said:Brent is hovering near $95, TTF contracts have climbed past €110, and the German CPI just spiked to 10.04%...

Everything is still sitting way higher than it used to back in those better days. 🍿

Meanwhile, the Russians are busy melting through their central bank reserves—just burned through another few billion dollars there.

At this point, I don't think FOR NOW anyone has actually come out on top in this economic war. ☕

It doesn't matter—what matters is that Urals crude is at $65-68 👍 😁
https://www.neste.com/investors/mark...rices#f328d0a2

and once they cover the shipping costs to India and China, we'll see what little they actually have left.
Dennis Bailey5 Dennis Bailey5 Newcomer
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#8114 ·
The Netherlands granted 91 waivers to bypass sanctions on Russia

https://nltimes.nl/2022/10/24/nether...nctions-russia
Dennis Bailey5 Dennis Bailey5 Newcomer
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#8115 ·
wearytrucker22 said:Massive ships loaded with LNG are practically idling off the coast of America... "It’s blindingly obvious we're looking at a massive shift here."
The LNG tankers have already reached American waters, though they haven't started unloading just yet.

Well, obviously—if nobody wants the gas, what are they supposed to do with it? It just sits there.

What's going to happen to those poor Russians and their stinking gas now?

Europe filled up its storage tanks and American pockets, while the US finally saw its century-old dream realized by pushing Russia out of Europe. We’re all going to pay the price for this...
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#8116 ·
Dennis Bailey5 said:Europe filled up its storage tanks and American pockets, while the US finally saw its century-old dream realized by pushing Russia out of Europe. We’re all going to pay the price for this...

The primary objective here is simply to avoid lining Russian pockets. And since the USA is overwhelmingly footing the bill to defend Europe from Russian fascism... well, I suppose everything is just falling right into place, isn't it?
Lp
Nathan Thomas12 Nathan Thomas12 Regular
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#8117 ·
Dennis Bailey5 said:Europe filled up its storage tanks and American pockets, while the US finally saw its century-old dream realized by pushing Russia out of Europe. We’re all going to pay the price for this...

I'll take American pockets over Russian ones any day.
boldotter2 boldotter2 Active Member
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#8118 ·
If guys like Schroeder, Merkel, Sarkozy, Berlusconi, Orban, and Farage hadn't spent the last 20 years lining Putin's pockets, maybe Americans wouldn't be footing the bill today. But hey, I guess those kinds of cause-and-effect links are a bit too deep for the average newly registered bot troll to wrap their head around.

If you don't pay the lady, you end up paying the painter. Moving on.
James Thompson12 James Thompson12 Newcomer
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#8119 ·
I honestly think that group mentioned above, especially the Germans, would’ve done almost exactly the same thing regarding their cooperation with Putin and reliance on Russian gas—even if they had a time machine and knew what was coming in 2014 and 2022. The German economy really hit its stride fueled by that cheap Russian gas, and at the end of the day, they prioritize their own economy and their own pockets over Ukraine.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#8120 ·
James Thompson12 said:I honestly think that group mentioned above, especially the Germans, would’ve done almost exactly the same thing regarding their cooperation with Putin and reliance on Russian gas—even if they had a time machine and knew what was coming in 2014 and 2022. The German economy really hit its stride fueled by that cheap Russian gas, and at the end of the day, they prioritize their own economy and their own pockets over Ukraine.

Those who don't prioritize their own economies aren't even functioning as mature societies. Furthermore, the relationship with Russia isn't set in stone (like it is in Mexico), so there is no such thing as an eternally unchanging dynamic.

In my view, the West's relationship with Russia across all sectors—including economics, which relied heavily on cheap energy—will never be the same as it was before the aggression against Ukraine. So, the claim that Ukraine isn't a priority for them... well, I just can't buy it.
Best regards,

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