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driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#3241 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Look, if you ask me, there's a massive, crystal-clear line between a delusional psychotic belief and just having a general theory about how the world works. We're talking about psychosis when someone starts thinking everything is being scripted specifically for them. Like, hey, believing in the Illuminati or some shadowy cabal isn't necessarily "crazy"—it's just a conspiracy theory. But it turns into actual psychosis when you think those groups are personally stalking you, or that they're the reason you failed that midterm at NYU or missed your flight at JFK. You know what I mean? It's that shift from "the world is weird" to "the world is out to get *me* specifically."

Being sane is basically just knowing the difference between those two things.

Exactly. 🙂
Brian Hayes43 Brian Hayes43 Member
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#3242 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Look, if you ask me, there's a massive, crystal-clear line between a delusional psychotic belief and just having a general theory about how the world works. We're talking about psychosis when someone starts thinking everything is being scripted specifically for them. Like, hey, believing in the Illuminati or some shadowy cabal isn't necessarily "crazy"—it's just a conspiracy theory. But it turns into actual psychosis when you think those groups are personally stalking you, or that they're the reason you failed that midterm at NYU or missed your flight at JFK. You know what I mean? It's that shift from "the world is weird" to "the world is out to get *me* specifically."

Being sane is basically just knowing the difference between those two things.


It’s quite a different perspective to consider how things might change if they weren't woven into the fabric of our daily lives. 😛
William Evans10 William Evans10 Active Member
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joined Oct 2012
#3243 ·
driftinggull21 said:
So... do you know anything about that diagnosis? Or does anyone else here? It’s RESIDUAL SCHIZOPHRENIA. I don't believe anyone on this forum has it (though I could be wrong, I haven't noticed anyone specifically), but if anyone knows something about it or knows someone living with this diagnosis?

Residual schizophrenia is characterized primarily by "negative symptoms": apathy, sparse communication, social withdrawal, emotional blunting, a lack of interest in one's surroundings, an inability to express emotions, loss of pleasure, and an inability to work.
Would those symptoms apply to her?


It’s exactly everything you just listed... it's happening to her right now. And on top of all that... she doesn't care about herself or basic hygiene at all. It's just cigarettes, cigarettes, cigarettes.

And to top it all off, the medical report states: "Given her age and the nature of these disturbances, the prognosis is poor."

Is there ever any hope for improvement? Because the doctor's words aren't exactly encouraging, and they leave me feeling pretty hopeless. Based on what he said, I feel like I can only wait for the day she becomes completely bedridden and loses all touch with reality.

Because nothing interests her anymore. She doesn't even want to talk. She just wants to lie there.
She lives with us, but her condition hasn't changed one bit. If I ask her to do something simple, like take a shower, she won't do it... I literally have to command her to do it.

The doctor mentioned that while her current medication should keep the illness under control, hallucinations could still emerge... and honestly, he admitted he doesn't even know for sure.

Is there really no cure? No hope?
Noah Garcia4 Noah Garcia4 Regular
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#3244 ·
Hey everyone,
William Evans10, thanks for asking. I’m doing about as well as can be expected, I suppose.
It’s been a bit of a struggle lately, honestly, given the mess my life has turned into.
My doctor mentioned that feeling this level of difficulty is actually a sign that I'm grounded in reality,
since the hallucinations haven't made an appearance yet—thank God for small mercies.
After a long stretch of chaos, I’m finally living alone in my apartment; I actually find the peace quite refreshing. Plus, my doctor has significantly scaled back my medication dosage.😲
Right now, I’m on 50mg of Seroquel and 1mg of Risperdal; I’ve cut out the Xanax entirely, though I still take 20mg of Lexapro in the morning.
The antipsychotics are at a bare minimum now, while the Lexapro—my antidepressant—remains at a standard, higher dose.
Still, I make sure to treat myself occasionally, whether it's getting my nails done or other little luxuries.😬
I’m keeping up with all my responsibilities, too. Some days it’s a massive uphill battle to get moving, but then I just force myself to do it—and let's be real, isn't that what "normal" people do anyway?😉
(Essentially, the guy ended up in exile, so I’ve managed to "survive" without chatting with him, and now there's a divorce looming on the horizon.)
I'm also being mindful of my diet; we're entering the third month now, and I have absolutely no intention of outgrowing my favorite pair of jeans.
I've picked up a few new hobbies around town—not that I want to get into the weeds with the details—so we'll just see how things play out.
I’ve spent some time catching up on all the movies that were nominated for an Oscar, and... yeah, that's about it.

As for your mother-in-law, I really don't know. But if she could just open up a little and try to communicate—even just through the small stuff—she might find that her own family knows how to help her. That's the only thing that comes to mind.
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#3245 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Let me run that back: my goal is to actually be happy in this life, and for me, that only happens if I have something to believe in.

So, what does science have to say about that? Is there some kind of pill for happiness? 🙂

Healthy people are just naturally happy—with or without faith, it doesn't matter!

If someone slips into psychosis, then finding happiness can become a real struggle.

Science suggests the real remedy for happiness is chocolate. 🙂
Anthony Lopez8 Anthony Lopez8 Active Member
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#3246 ·
Robin Lopez2 said:Healthy people are just naturally happy—with or without faith, it doesn't matter!

If someone slips into psychosis, then finding happiness can become a real struggle.

Science suggests the real remedy for happiness is chocolate. 🙂

I find myself in complete agreement here. In fact, I’ve always leaned toward a somewhat extreme theory suggesting that happiness and misery—or more accurately, a profound, deep-seated depressive state—are primarily products of chemical equilibrium within the brain. Aren't all the "reasons" we concoct to justify our moods merely convenient rationalizations used to explain away what is actually happening under the hood? Of course, life isn't quite that reductionist, but I suspect the biological foundations play a far more significant role than most people are willing to admit.
steeleagle23 steeleagle23 Newcomer
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#3247 ·
Brian Hayes43 said:Yes, I certainly understand what you mean, and honestly, that sounds like a potential lifeline. It really just comes down to needing someone to lean on. However, I haven't been able to build that kind of bond with anyone yet, not even with my own mother. I find myself questioning whether the disconnect lies within me or if she simply doesn't grasp the situation—though I suppose it's hard for anyone else to understand since I haven't explicitly opened up about my struggles to anyone. Most people just assume I'm antisocial or haven't quite "figured life out" yet, even though, by all standard measures, I should be at the stage where I have a car, a house, and a kid in middle school.

Thanks for getting back to me! I was thinking that having someone close might take some of the weight off—if there's actual love and trust involved—but I wasn't sure if that was realistic or if I was just wishful thinking.

The fact that you haven't shared what's going on with anyone might be exactly why people feel kept at arm's length. In my humble opinion, keeping things bottled up just creates distance, which then leads to a lack of trust.
I don't think you need to lay your entire soul bare to every person you meet, but when there's someone you truly care about (and who cares about you), being open should theoretically make things easier and bring you closer together. I think it takes a certain amount of that courage you mentioned—just being brave enough to let someone in and let them actually reach you.
Brian Hayes43 Brian Hayes43 Member
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#3248 ·
steeleagle23 said:Thanks for getting back to me! I was thinking that having someone close might take some of the weight off—if there's actual love and trust involved—but I wasn't sure if that was realistic or if I was just wishful thinking.

The fact that you haven't shared what's going on with anyone might be exactly why people feel kept at arm's length. In my humble opinion, keeping things bottled up just creates distance, which then leads to a lack of trust.
I don't think you need to lay your entire soul bare to every person you meet, but when there's someone you truly care about (and who cares about you), being open should theoretically make things easier and bring you closer together. I think it takes a certain amount of that courage you mentioned—just being brave enough to let someone in and let them actually reach you.

Unfortunately, I don't have anyone like that in my life right now.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#3249 ·
William Evans10 said:It’s exactly everything you just listed... it's happening to her right now. And on top of all that... she doesn't care about herself or basic hygiene at all. It's just cigarettes, cigarettes, cigarettes.

And to top it all off, the medical report states: "Given her age and the nature of these disturbances, the prognosis is poor."

Is there ever any hope for improvement? Because the doctor's words aren't exactly encouraging, and they leave me feeling pretty hopeless. Based on what he said, I feel like I can only wait for the day she becomes completely bedridden and loses all touch with reality.

Because nothing interests her anymore. She doesn't even want to talk. She just wants to lie there.
She lives with us, but her condition hasn't changed one bit. If I ask her to do something simple, like take a shower, she won't do it... I literally have to command her to do it.

The doctor mentioned that while her current medication should keep the illness under control, hallucinations could still emerge... and honestly, he admitted he doesn't even know for sure.

Is there really no cure? No hope?

There is no cure in the sense of a total recovery, unfortunately. She takes medication that manages the symptoms just enough to prevent them from spiraling further. As for hope, there is always hope. 🙂
I know it's difficult, but this is a chronic, lifelong condition. Even residual symptoms mean the schizophrenia remains.😢
The priority is using therapy to prevent worsening and hallucinations.
If she has enough work history, apply for her Social Security disability benefits; with an F-22 diagnosis, she will certainly meet the medical criteria.
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#3250 ·
turning table said:It is strange how you feel that way; I have experienced the same thing through my own history and by watching my father undergo treatment for schizophrenia.

Your inquiry regarding a therapist has been moved to the appropriate thread. click
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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#3251 ·
William Evans10 said:It’s exactly everything you just listed... it's happening to her right now. And on top of all that... she doesn't care about herself or basic hygiene at all. It's just cigarettes, cigarettes, cigarettes.

And to top it all off, the medical report states: "Given her age and the nature of these disturbances, the prognosis is poor."

Is there ever any hope for improvement? Because the doctor's words aren't exactly encouraging, and they leave me feeling pretty hopeless. Based on what he said, I feel like I can only wait for the day she becomes completely bedridden and loses all touch with reality.

Because nothing interests her anymore. She doesn't even want to talk. She just wants to lie there.
She lives with us, but her condition hasn't changed one bit. If I ask her to do something simple, like take a shower, she won't do it... I literally have to command her to do it.

The doctor mentioned that while her current medication should keep the illness under control, hallucinations could still emerge... and honestly, he admitted he doesn't even know for sure.

Is there really no cure? No hope?

I find myself compelled to comment on this bolded section; it represents just one episode from my past that I can laugh about endlessly today, though at the time, it felt exactly as I am about to describe.

After spending a few days at the Los Angeles facility while they kept me under observation for absolutely no reason—even though I was perfectly fine, if you can believe the irony—a male nurse approached me to tell me I needed to take a shower. I felt a momentary flash of pride because I understood exactly what he was asking for, though I kept my mouth shut just to avoid giving him any more ammunition to label me as unstable, since anyone would grasp such a basic instruction. I sat there weighing my response before the realization hit me that there aren't actually any showers here. I could hear the sound of running water coming from the bathroom, but I knew instinctively it was nothing more than a recording playing through a speaker, a hollow imitation of reality. There were moments when I questioned my own sanity, wondering if the lack of showers was merely a trick of my mind, but I refused to ask him if the plumbing was real or if it was just audio, simply because I didn't want to confirm his worst suspicions about me.

After he spent some time badgering me, the guy finally convinced me to go take a look, and I followed him along, fully certain there was nothing to see since showers apparently don't exist in this place. We stepped into the bathroom where I could hear the sound of running water—which, in my mind, served only as proof that the showers weren't actually there—but then we rounded the corner and discovered actual, functional showers that you could genuinely use.

I have finally come to the realization that this entire situation is orchestrated against me, especially since no sane person would go so far as to hide the showers from view just to ensure honest people can't find them.

I wouldn't have even bothered showering on that trip if two more hospital staff hadn't shown up to bolster the team.

I never really had the heart to shower in hospitals, mostly because I found certain issues within those bathrooms that weighed heavily on me, though whether that was due to my own declining health or the facilities themselves remains a matter of some debate.

I can't speak to any kind of cure or the possibility of hope, but generally speaking, if you can manage to resolve everything during that first and only hospital stay, you might stand a chance, because anything beyond that point tends to become significantly more complicated.

My prognoses varied wildly, ranging from the absolute worst-case scenarios to slightly less grim outlooks, yet none of them offered much genuine hope. Then my primary psychiatrist told me, after three or four years of this, that it had all been a relatively minor case, almost nothing at all. It caught me completely off guard; I was bracing myself for some heavy warnings or dire precautions, but there was nothing. He simply said I was as healthy as anyone else and that I could finally walk out those doors without giving them a second thought. So I walked out, and this time, the victory felt final. I felt no urge to prove anything to anyone, no need to slam the doors until they shattered, and no craving for praise, apologies, or that submissive fear that used to be the telltale sign of my illness every time I passed through those doors before. That last time, I left knowing I wouldn't be coming back—and even if I did return, it wouldn't be because it was my first time leaving. I never told him how incredibly sorry I felt about not seeing him again, feeling like the chapter was closed, though given that one of my main struggles was severely disrupted emotions, I'm not entirely sure why I felt that way when all I had wanted for months was to get outside and slam those double glass doors so hard they’d break on both sides.
Harold Harris20 Harold Harris20 Member
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#3252 ·
Look, I’m just gonna be totally real with you guys for a second...
I've been sinking into such a deep depression over my brother's situation and how much it's tearing our family apart that I've actually started thinking about suicide. I'm considering giving power of attorney to someone who can sell his car and give that money to my mom and brother so they're taken care of. I’m even planning to write out a detailed email listing all my accounts so they automatically inherit everything if I die. Honestly, I just don't see the point in any of this anymore. It's Friday, and they wouldn't even let him come home for the weekend because they say it's not a good idea. And they're right—he’s just so restless and on edge. Right now, he's on the max dose of Xarelto, plus Lariam and some Xanax. And none of it is working. He saw a psychologist today and apparently bombed some test—something about drawing geometric shapes or whatever. We barely managed to convince him to stay put today so he could get a sedative injection. They're even starting him on Zyprexa tonight (not sure what the dosage is). I get the feeling they've lost hope in him. He's been stuck in this since February 20th. I feel like there's no hope left, and honestly, I feel useless. My heart is just breaking; I don't know what to do. What's the point of my life if he can't even get better enough to stop having these manic episodes every couple of days?
driftinggull21 driftinggull21 Active Member
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#3253 ·
Harold Harris20 said:Look, I’m just gonna be totally real with you guys for a second...
I've been sinking into such a deep depression over my brother's situation and how much it's tearing our family apart that I've actually started thinking about suicide. I'm considering giving power of attorney to someone who can sell his car and give that money to my mom and brother so they're taken care of. I’m even planning to write out a detailed email listing all my accounts so they automatically inherit everything if I die. Honestly, I just don't see the point in any of this anymore. It's Friday, and they wouldn't even let him come home for the weekend because they say it's not a good idea. And they're right—he’s just so restless and on edge. Right now, he's on the max dose of Xarelto, plus Lariam and some Xanax. And none of it is working. He saw a psychologist today and apparently bombed some test—something about drawing geometric shapes or whatever. We barely managed to convince him to stay put today so he could get a sedative injection. They're even starting him on Zyprexa tonight (not sure what the dosage is). I get the feeling they've lost hope in him. He's been stuck in this since February 20th. I feel like there's no hope left, and honestly, I feel useless. My heart is just breaking; I don't know what to do. What's the point of my life if he can't even get better enough to stop having these manic episodes every couple of days?

I understand this is difficult, but you must not dwell on suicide. You certainly won't be able to help your mother or brother that way.
It is common for patients to remain hospitalized for two or three months just to stabilize; recovery does not happen overnight, and often multiple medication combinations must be tested to find what works best.
If you are feeling this low, perhaps you should seek psychological support for yourself to help navigate this devastating period.
Stay strong; this will not last forever.🙂
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#3254 ·
Robin Lopez2 said:Healthy people are just naturally happy—with or without faith, it doesn't matter!

If someone slips into psychosis, then finding happiness can become a real struggle.

Science suggests the real remedy for happiness is chocolate. 🙂

Do you honestly think those 400,000 Americans sitting around without a job are just having a stroke of good luck? Or do you really believe they’re all just walking around in terrible health? It’s a bit of a loaded question, isn't it—kind of implies there's some grand design behind the struggle, which, let's be real, is a pretty grim way to look at things. 🙂 Do you seriously think people out there are having a blast because they can't find a decent meal or even basic medicine? Like, give me a break. It’s easy to sit here behind a screen and act like struggle is some kind of "authentic experience," but let's get real—it's nothing but misery. There's nothing poetic about starving or being unable to grab something simple like Tylenol when you're hurting. It sucks, plain and simple.

Look, sadness is just baked into the human experience—it’s part of the deal because let's be real, life is never actually perfect. But the weirdest thing? When our brains start hitting those low points, they don't just feel sad; they go totally off the rails and convince us that we've been abducted by aliens or some other sci-fi nonsense. It’s wild how much our heads can play tricks on us when things get heavy.
Harold Harris20 Harold Harris20 Member
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#3255 ·
driftinggull21 said:I understand this is difficult, but you must not dwell on suicide. You certainly won't be able to help your mother or brother that way.
It is common for patients to remain hospitalized for two or three months just to stabilize; recovery does not happen overnight, and often multiple medication combinations must be tested to find what works best.
If you are feeling this low, perhaps you should seek psychological support for yourself to help navigate this devastating period.
Stay strong; this will not last forever.🙂


Thank you so much... Honestly, I'd trade places with her in a heartbeat if it meant he could feel better. I just can't wrap my head around why he's barely reacting at all to such a massive dose of meds. At the end of the day, I just pray to God that he's okay, regardless of what happens to me.
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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#3256 ·
David Vaughn75 said:Do you honestly think those 400,000 Americans sitting around without a job are just having a stroke of good luck? Or do you really believe they’re all just walking around in terrible health? It’s a bit of a loaded question, isn't it—kind of implies there's some grand design behind the struggle, which, let's be real, is a pretty grim way to look at things. 🙂 Do you seriously think people out there are having a blast because they can't find a decent meal or even basic medicine? Like, give me a break. It’s easy to sit here behind a screen and act like struggle is some kind of "authentic experience," but let's get real—it's nothing but misery. There's nothing poetic about starving or being unable to grab something simple like Tylenol when you're hurting. It sucks, plain and simple.

Look, sadness is just baked into the human experience—it’s part of the deal because let's be real, life is never actually perfect. But the weirdest thing? When our brains start hitting those low points, they don't just feel sad; they go totally off the rails and convince us that we've been abducted by aliens or some other sci-fi nonsense. It’s wild how much our heads can play tricks on us when things get heavy.

If you’ve been following this thread, it should be obvious that faith isn't going to put food on the table, find someone a job, or provide necessary medication. It won't make anyone happier.

I'll say it again: faith is dangerous for psychotic individuals. This is the topic at hand, yet the conversation keeps drifting into an unrealistic fantasy world. For those dealing with psychosis, their own thoughts are the primary enemy. You have to cling to proven reality like a lifeline. You need to toss any irrational thought out of your head the moment it surfaces, and antipsychotics are what help you do that. The most critical step is admitting to yourself that something is wrong; only then can we use medication to discard the delusions.

It is a hard truth to swallow, but during my worst psychotic episode, I truly believed I was right and doing the right thing. Everyone feels that way. It wasn't until I received the correct treatment that I realized everything I had said about faith and spirituality was nothing but total nonsense.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#3257 ·
Robin Lopez2 said:If you’ve been following this thread, it should be obvious that faith isn't going to put food on the table, find someone a job, or provide necessary medication. It won't make anyone happier.

I'll say it again: faith is dangerous for psychotic individuals. This is the topic at hand, yet the conversation keeps drifting into an unrealistic fantasy world. For those dealing with psychosis, their own thoughts are the primary enemy. You have to cling to proven reality like a lifeline. You need to toss any irrational thought out of your head the moment it surfaces, and antipsychotics are what help you do that. The most critical step is admitting to yourself that something is wrong; only then can we use medication to discard the delusions.

It is a hard truth to swallow, but during my worst psychotic episode, I truly believed I was right and doing the right thing. Everyone feels that way. It wasn't until I received the correct treatment that I realized everything I had said about faith and spirituality was nothing but total nonsense.

And don't you see? This whole thing where you reject faith and spirituality... that's just another kind of faith in itself. 🙂
Eric Mitchell55 Eric Mitchell55 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#3258 ·
How do you tell the difference between what's actually happening and everything we're going through?
Do you ever realize when you're starting to hallucinate?
Robin Lopez2 Robin Lopez2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#3259 ·
David Vaughn75 said:And don't you see? This whole thing where you reject faith and spirituality... that's just another kind of faith in itself. 🙂

That’s what believers always say, but it’s just semantics. I don't have an issue with religion itself; my problem is when people try to force their views and dogmas on me. To me, religious people are just a bit eccentric, which is fine—as long as they don't burden me with their convictions. At the end of the day, I am my own priority, especially since I've dealt with mental health struggles. My peace of mind is paramount, and my personal faith is the least important factor in that.

Just remember, no matter the topic, I will always find a way to justify my stance, whether it involves religion or anything else. Everyone thinks they're the smartest person in the room; it's human nature. If brains were sold at a local farmer's market, everyone would still insist on buying their own.

Think about it: if I stood up today in the 21st century and claimed to be the son of God, people would think I'd lost it. I don't even need to tell you that during a psychotic episode, I might actually believe that myself. So, officially, I'm considered psychotic, yet the man who made that claim 2,000 years ago isn't.
Eric Gray2 Eric Gray2 Regular
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#3260 ·
Alright, let's get back to the actual topic at hand, shall we?

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