Schizophrenia - General Discussion

The side effects are what interest me: How can a patient actually tell the difference between a side effect and the actual symptoms of the illness?

David Vaughn75 said:Usually, doctors throw Haldol at patients who are spiraling out of control or use it on seniors when nothing else seems to touch their agitation

But honestly? In most other scenarios, that stuff is just straight-up evil—it comes with a massive, nasty list of side effects that’ll make you regret ever taking it

I mean, you've got things like tremors, muscle stiffness, shaking, restlessness, spasms, or weird involuntary movements in your tongue, face, jaw, or throat—even eyes rolling back.😲No way in hell am I ever taking that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Has anyone else here noticed, heard, or perhaps experienced firsthand that psychiatrists tend to start patients off on those older-generation medications first, only moving toward the newer atypical antipsychotics—like Seroquel, for instance—once the old stuff fails to do the trick?
I’ve heard that’s the standard playbook, and honestly, I’ve felt that cycle playing out with my own treatment, though since my meds are constantly being shuffled around, I can't say for certain if there's a definitive pattern at work. ☕

wiredmason56 said:I mean, you've got things like tremors, muscle stiffness, shaking, restlessness, spasms, or weird involuntary movements in your tongue, face, jaw, or throat—even eyes rolling back.😲No way in hell am I ever taking that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

The only reason to take that is if you're heading out to some dance club or something similar🙂

Noah Garcia4 said:Has anyone else here noticed, heard, or perhaps experienced firsthand that psychiatrists tend to start patients off on those older-generation medications first, only moving toward the newer atypical antipsychotics—like Seroquel, for instance—once the old stuff fails to do the trick?
I’ve heard that’s the standard playbook, and honestly, I’ve felt that cycle playing out with my own treatment, though since my meds are constantly being shuffled around, I can't say for certain if there's a definitive pattern at work. ☕

In my case, they went straight for the Zyprexa, which is actually pretty modern stuff compared to the old stuff.

Noah Garcia4 said:Has anyone else here noticed, heard, or perhaps experienced firsthand that psychiatrists tend to start patients off on those older-generation medications first, only moving toward the newer atypical antipsychotics—like Seroquel, for instance—once the old stuff fails to do the trick?
I’ve heard that’s the standard playbook, and honestly, I’ve felt that cycle playing out with my own treatment, though since my meds are constantly being shuffled around, I can't say for certain if there's a definitive pattern at work. ☕

In my experience—if you can even call it that—it was pretty much exactly like that. Back when I was first losing my grip and stuck in the hospital, they were pumping me full of those modern nonsense drugs. But the moment I was discharged and saw my private doctor, everything changed; I was immediately put on a newer antipsychotic (I was taking the standard Zyprexa back when it was actually easy to swallow, not this current mess). On the flip side, back in 2008, when things hit the fan for me, they tried giving me Serdolect—which is supposedly "new" but is basically just a drug with massive gaps in its effectiveness. After three and a half months of that, once I was out, I ended up on a cocktail of Seroquel and that garbage Moditen. Recently, though, I finally managed to fight my way through the bureaucracy at the local county mental health clinic to get prescribed Seroquel XR and Zyprexa, along with a few other add-ons. So, there’s my story—draw your own conclusions from that mess. My gut feeling? In state-run facilities, they try to squeeze every last cent out of the old, cheap medications before they even consider the better stuff.

A friend of mine pointed out these videos to me yesterday, so I thought I’d pass them along to the group. Who knows, maybe there's something useful here.

Using niacin (Vitamin B3) to combat depression.



Then there's this second video—it covers various natural remedies for things like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, ADHD, and depression.


The second clip discusses Linus Pauling, a two-time Nobel Prize winner—one for his work with Vitamin C—who essentially pioneered the field of orthomolecular medicine.

I’ve also included the transcript here for those who prefer reading over watching.
http://encognitive.com/node/1112

A true, natural remedy for schizophrenia and all these other maladies would only exist if we hadn’t been dropped into this absolute dumpster fire of a world to begin with—if we had actually been born into some semblance of a sane, beautiful reality instead of this mess.

Who can say for sure? Of course, if you want to actually stick to a strict diet and juggle all those supplements, you really need to have some genuine passion for it.

Sam Wright21 said:Who can say for sure? Of course, if you want to actually stick to a strict diet and juggle all those supplements, you really need to have some genuine passion for it.

Personally, I’m practically swimming in B vitamins—I take plenty of Omega-3s, magnesium, calcium, zinc, plus multivitamins, amino acids, and a handful of other extras—but let me tell you... when I cut my dosage down by more than half for just five or six days, I felt the hit immediately. It wasn't exactly a walk in the park, and I certainly don't think it made things any better.

Is AP considered an antipsychotic?

Sam Wright21 said:Is AP considered an antipsychotic?

Yes, it is.

Noah Garcia4 said:Has anyone else here noticed, heard, or perhaps experienced firsthand that psychiatrists tend to start patients off on those older-generation medications first, only moving toward the newer atypical antipsychotics—like Seroquel, for instance—once the old stuff fails to do the trick?
I’ve heard that’s the standard playbook, and honestly, I’ve felt that cycle playing out with my own treatment, though since my meds are constantly being shuffled around, I can't say for certain if there's a definitive pattern at work. ☕

we shouldn't generalize

wiredmason56 said:Just checking in to say hi—I finally made it to my follow-up appointment with the psychiatrist. He asked if I’ve been staying on top of my unknown, and I had to admit I’m hit or miss with it, though honestly, I’m really hoping to phase it out soon. Last time he prescribed it and noted F29 on my chart, but now looking at the paperwork, there's also F32.1 mentioned, along with F20. On top of everything, he added Haldol 5mg and Cogentin, one pill each. I haven't actually started the Haldol yet, and to be truthful, I'm having second thoughts about whether I'll even pick it up. Right now, I'm still taking Effexor, plus some unknown and Clonazepam whenever things get rough. If anyone here has experience with Haldol—or has been on it before—could you let me know how it actually feels? ☕

Maya, you’re just out here collecting "achievements" like they actually mean something—so what is even happening?😢

I’m with you on not making sweeping generalizations; honestly, when I first started taking Risperdal, it felt like absolutely nothing was happening—just a whole lot of nothing in between that initial period. But now? That same dose of Risperdal is working wonders for me, to the point where I don't even need to touch my Lithium anymore. If OnlyForYou were reading this, they’d probably argue that Lithium isn't even worth mentioning, but let's be real, that's just not the case. 😛

In any case, I’ve been doing some digging myself regarding Vitamin B and Vitamin C supplementation.
Here is the link I found:

http://www.valetudo-drroso.com/site/...zofrenija.html

Larry Lewis said:A true, natural remedy for schizophrenia and all these other maladies would only exist if we hadn’t been dropped into this absolute dumpster fire of a world to begin with—if we had actually been born into some semblance of a sane, beautiful reality instead of this mess.

That’s the truth of it. ☕

Larry Lewis said:The only reason to take that is if you're heading out to some dance club or something similar🙂

Hehe, people would probably be wondering what's actually going on with them. A buddy told me about back in high school, he and his friend decided to mess around and snatch a couple of pills. They hopped on a subway, just grabbed onto the overhead rails, and ended up stuck in that exact same position for hours... totally out of it. And man, that thing where your eyelids roll back? I bet some people would call an exorcist if they saw that...😂

Larry Lewis said:Maya, you’re just out here collecting "achievements" like they actually mean something—so what is even happening?😢

Man, I guess that’s just my luck lately. My headspace has been all over the place. I wouldn't say I'm feeling totally depressed anymore—well, okay, that depends on which day you catch me—but those intrusive thoughts? They’re relentless. It’s like they take over. Nighttime is always the absolute worst part of the day. As soon as I try to settle in, these thoughts start circling my brain like sharks. They’re my own thoughts, obviously, but they get so loud that I can't seem to shut them out. It's like having a radio stuck on full volume in a small room. Eventually, I just have to take some Lorsilan il Rivotril to quiet everything down so I can finally drift off.

http://www.alternativa-forum.com/psi...zofrenija.html

For anyone interested, I’ve stumbled upon this massive pile of information regarding schizophrenia ☕

My apologies—there’s actually a fair amount of useful data here if you’re the type of person who enjoys diving into these kinds of rabbit holes.

Robin Lopez2 said:The side effects are what interest me: How can a patient actually tell the difference between a side effect and the actual symptoms of the illness?

Any issue or symptom that emerges after starting a medication, which wasn't present before, qualifies as a side effect.

A patient might not always be able to make that distinction on their own, though a doctor or someone else usually can.

These side effects can manifest immediately, or they can surface a significant amount of time after someone begins a new prescription.