Transgender Corner

rustydrifter10 said:Honestly, regardless of which subforum you're on, you can have those talks if you're dealing with a decent interlocutor. If you're talking to someone who’s just going to take shots at you because you're a woman, a leftist, a blonde, or religious... well, there's really no point in even trying to argue with them, is there?

And please don't try telling me that I can find this kind of thing on other boards, because even a superficial glance at, say, Politics, Religion, or the Women's Corner is enough to prove me wrong.

But look, anyone can jump into discussions about politics or religion on the politics and religion boards.
And on MK and the Women's Corner, people can talk about pretty much anything they want.

Of course, everyone still needs to play by the rules.

The arguments that get thrown around constantly on those specific boards—stuff like "you're a man/woman," "you're a leftist/rightist," "you're Christian/Muslim/Jewish," or "you're a Mexican/American/Uzbek"—are, if you'll excuse my language, incredibly obnoxious, totally invalid, and just plain exhausting.

And why on earth would you even want to engage with people who use those kinds of things as their primary arguments? It doesn't matter what subforum it is. On the Women's Corner, you've got singles; over on the US board, it's people who are married; and on the Lifestyle board, it's... well, we all know who that is. 😬
If they're a good conversationalist, they won't throw those cheap shots at you. And if they do, you just ignore them.

Oh, I haven't even gone that far! I wasn't even mentioning those people who actually take shots at me personally. Those folks are a whole different level of difficult! I was just talking about people who use those kinds of logical fallacies in their arguments, and I don't think that necessarily means they’re judging me for, say, being a woman.

Well, anyone can discuss politics or religion on the politics and religion boards.
On MK and Women's Corner, anyone can talk about absolutely anything.
Of course, everyone needs to follow the rules.

Actually, it's not quite like that... I noticed that on MK, there's a certain vibe where women's posts seem to be strictly monitored. In fact, the rules for that entire subforum mention that women don't really have much sway there. I actually read through them before I tried to reply to a thread on the front page once.
And goodness knows, if anyone thinks I'm judging them for that—please, if they want their own little corner, they should have it! If they've had enough of women, then fine; I'm certainly not so rude that I'd start a fight when their own rules basically say they want a little break from us.
Now, I feel like I have to defend myself in advance, because I have a sneaking suspicion someone is going to latch onto this and jump to some totally wrong conclusions. But really, I have nothing against MK or its existence or its rules; I'm just expressing myself here because I think it would be great to establish a similar subforum here.

And why on earth would you want to talk to people who use those things as arguments? Regardless of the subforum.

Honestly, it's just because I feel like it's polite to answer any question someone asks me. Even if I completely disagree with them, or even if I get the impression they're trying to be a bit rude to me, if they ask, I'll give them an answer.

feralpilot0 said:That’s just not true; it's obvious you've only skimmed through these PDFs. Ad hominem attacks are penalized everywhere.

Enyh, I think briskpuma23 was actually talking about moving past gender as a primary trait, not about a lack of meaningful, argued topics—after all, who’s stopping you from starting or encouraging them if they're missing?

Besides, if we stop categorizing people by gender, looks, nationality, orientation, or preferences, what's left for us?

A ghost town of PDFs. 😲

Look, it truly hasn't happened to me even once where someone replies with, "Well, of course you think that since you're a woman/leftist/Martian from Jupiter." And those posts weren't penalized, and honestly, I don't think they should have been, because that would just be pointless on a forum like this.

My whole point was that I thought it would be wonderful to have a subforum where people couldn't care less if I were a Martian from Jupiter while we're busy discussing how much fertilizer a pear seedling needs.

Enyh, I honestly think briskpuma23 was talking about transcending gender as the main point here, rather than saying we shouldn't have meaningful or well-argued topics (I mean, who's going to stop you from starting them if you feel like they're missing?).

It's beautifully put: "To clarify using our usual forum lingo—let's just call this subforum for genderless Americans, anationalists, stateless people, and xenophiles."
Generally speaking, I'm not one to go around opening new threads all the time; I usually only jump in to start one when I'm feeling genuinely stumped by something.

Besides, if we don't divide ourselves up and debate based on things like gender, looks, nationality, orientation, or preferences, what's actually left for us to do?
A PDF of ghosts. 😲

Well, discussing actual topics remains! That could easily become the core reason for the forum's existence in the first place.

Nicholas King said:That is simply, quite frankly, untrue.

I’ll admit—I don't exactly have the spare time or the burning desire to go hunting for specific examples right now—but they are out there in abundance.

If ad hominem attacks were always being penalized everywhere, we would see a massive spike in bans—and while certain forum users might find that appealing, at some point, it logically stops being economically viable for a platform to function.

Now, I’m not suggesting that turning a blind eye is intentional, organized, or even encouraged—but honestly, that’s beside the point; the claim itself just doesn't hold water.

It doesn't hold because it doesn't hold? Seriously?

The reason there are bans is precisely because the rule holds—you're always free to report when you feel targeted or provide counterexamples; otherwise, you're just trolling.

Let's just open a PDF that practically screams for a 24-hour moderator on duty—it's the same logic used for the LGBTQ+ corner. Yeah, because that'll definitely solve everything.

Matthew Grant9 said:Oh, I haven't even gone that far! I wasn't even mentioning those people who actually take shots at me personally. Those folks are a whole different level of difficult! I was just talking about people who use those kinds of logical fallacies in their arguments, and I don't think that necessarily means they’re judging me for, say, being a woman.

Well, anyone can discuss politics or religion on the politics and religion boards.
On MK and Women's Corner, anyone can talk about absolutely anything.
Of course, everyone needs to follow the rules.

Actually, it's not quite like that... I noticed that on MK, there's a certain vibe where women's posts seem to be strictly monitored. In fact, the rules for that entire subforum mention that women don't really have much sway there. I actually read through them before I tried to reply to a thread on the front page once.
And goodness knows, if anyone thinks I'm judging them for that—please, if they want their own little corner, they should have it! If they've had enough of women, then fine; I'm certainly not so rude that I'd start a fight when their own rules basically say they want a little break from us.
Now, I feel like I have to defend myself in advance, because I have a sneaking suspicion someone is going to latch onto this and jump to some totally wrong conclusions. But really, I have nothing against MK or its existence or its rules; I'm just expressing myself here because I think it would be great to establish a similar subforum here.

And why on earth would you want to talk to people who use those things as arguments? Regardless of the subforum.

Honestly, it's just because I feel like it's polite to answer any question someone asks me. Even if I completely disagree with them, or even if I get the impression they're trying to be a bit rude to me, if they ask, I'll give them an answer.

Look, it truly hasn't happened to me even once where someone replies with, "Well, of course you think that since you're a woman/leftist/Martian from Jupiter." And those posts weren't penalized, and honestly, I don't think they should have been, because that would just be pointless on a forum like this.

My whole point was that I thought it would be wonderful to have a subforum where people couldn't care less if I were a Martian from Jupiter while we're busy discussing how much fertilizer a pear seedling needs.

Enyh, I honestly think briskpuma23 was talking about transcending gender as the main point here, rather than saying we shouldn't have meaningful or well-argued topics (I mean, who's going to stop you from starting them if you feel like they're missing?).

It's beautifully put: "To clarify using our usual forum lingo—let's just call this subforum for genderless Americans, anationalists, stateless people, and xenophiles."
Generally speaking, I'm not one to go around opening new threads all the time; I usually only jump in to start one when I'm feeling genuinely stumped by something.

Besides, if we don't divide ourselves up and debate based on things like gender, looks, nationality, orientation, or preferences, what's actually left for us to do?
A PDF of ghosts. 😲

Well, discussing actual topics remains! That could easily become the core reason for the forum's existence in the first place.

But it won't ever run perfectly—in fact, because of the disclaimers, it’ll likely work the exact opposite way.

There will always be the random trolls, the offended types, and the nitpickers—there always are. At the end of the day, the quality of the discussions and the level of moderation? That's entirely up to us, wherever we go. 🤷

Matthew Grant9 said:Oh, I haven't even gone that far! I wasn't even mentioning those people who actually take shots at me personally. Those folks are a whole different level of difficult! I was just talking about people who use those kinds of logical fallacies in their arguments, and I don't think that necessarily means they’re judging me for, say, being a woman.

Well, anyone can discuss politics or religion on the politics and religion boards.
On MK and Women's Corner, anyone can talk about absolutely anything.
Of course, everyone needs to follow the rules.

Actually, it's not quite like that... I noticed that on MK, there's a certain vibe where women's posts seem to be strictly monitored. In fact, the rules for that entire subforum mention that women don't really have much sway there. I actually read through them before I tried to reply to a thread on the front page once.
And goodness knows, if anyone thinks I'm judging them for that—please, if they want their own little corner, they should have it! If they've had enough of women, then fine; I'm certainly not so rude that I'd start a fight when their own rules basically say they want a little break from us.
Now, I feel like I have to defend myself in advance, because I have a sneaking suspicion someone is going to latch onto this and jump to some totally wrong conclusions. But really, I have nothing against MK or its existence or its rules; I'm just expressing myself here because I think it would be great to establish a similar subforum here.

And why on earth would you want to talk to people who use those things as arguments? Regardless of the subforum.

Honestly, it's just because I feel like it's polite to answer any question someone asks me. Even if I completely disagree with them, or even if I get the impression they're trying to be a bit rude to me, if they ask, I'll give them an answer.

Look, it truly hasn't happened to me even once where someone replies with, "Well, of course you think that since you're a woman/leftist/Martian from Jupiter." And those posts weren't penalized, and honestly, I don't think they should have been, because that would just be pointless on a forum like this.

My whole point was that I thought it would be wonderful to have a subforum where people couldn't care less if I were a Martian from Jupiter while we're busy discussing how much fertilizer a pear seedling needs.

Enyh, I honestly think briskpuma23 was talking about transcending gender as the main point here, rather than saying we shouldn't have meaningful or well-argued topics (I mean, who's going to stop you from starting them if you feel like they're missing?).

It's beautifully put: "To clarify using our usual forum lingo—let's just call this subforum for genderless Americans, anationalists, stateless people, and xenophiles."
Generally speaking, I'm not one to go around opening new threads all the time; I usually only jump in to start one when I'm feeling genuinely stumped by something.

Besides, if we don't divide ourselves up and debate based on things like gender, looks, nationality, orientation, or preferences, what's actually left for us to do?
A PDF of ghosts. 😲

Well, discussing actual topics remains! That could easily become the core reason for the forum's existence in the first place.

It’s actually incredibly easy to sit down with people like that and walk them through why their whole argument doesn't even hold water.

Well, that’s not exactly how it works... I actually saw a chat over on MK where people are basically just rubber-stamping those entries for the Women's Corner.

I actually just dropped a few posts over there too! 🙂
They didn't actually ban me or anything, they just pulled me aside and told me that my post didn't really fit within the community guidelines here, so they went ahead and deleted it.
Thanks for pointing that out, Khuf! 😘
Thanks so much, Deedy/Mikey, for taking the time to unbox this one for us! 😘

Honestly, I just feel like it’s only polite to answer whenever someone directs a question my way. Even if we’re on completely different pages, or even if I get the distinct impression that someone is being intentionally provocative or trying to take a dig at me, I'm still going to give them an answer. It's just how I operate.

Look, if someone is being rude to you, it’s because they are just a fundamentally rude person—period. It isn't some reaction to you typing something specific or hitting "post" on a comment; their attitude is entirely their own issue, regardless of what you choose to say.

feralpilot0 said:It doesn't hold because it doesn't hold? Seriously?

The reason there are bans is precisely because the rule holds—you're always free to report when you feel targeted or provide counterexamples; otherwise, you're just trolling.

Let's just open a PDF that practically screams for a 24-hour moderator on duty—it's the same logic used for the LGBTQ+ corner. Yeah, because that'll definitely solve everything.

I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the specific sub-forum😁 for the gay crowd over at NYU.👍(okay, not a PDF, but close enough..)

I went in expecting a massive workload—constant deletions, heavy moderation, all that jazz... but it turns out it isn't nearly as intense as I feared. And I know people are reading. Let them read. 😍 Sure, people have tried to throw insults our way, but honestly, it's significantly less frequent than what you see on other threads covering the same subject. 🙂

feralpilot0 said:But it won't ever run perfectly—in fact, because of the disclaimers, it’ll likely work the exact opposite way.

There will always be the random trolls, the offended types, and the nitpickers—there always are. At the end of the day, the quality of the discussions and the level of moderation? That's entirely up to us, wherever we go. 🤷

Oh boy, I think we are totally talking past each other here....
It wasn't even my intention to feel insulted by that, it's more like I just don't know how to handle it! Like, how am I supposed to respond—and I mean anyone, using this as an example—when someone hits back at me in that specific tone? I honestly have no clue how to carry on a discussion when the "argument" is just of course you'd think that way since you're a woman?
And does anyone seriously believe that just because I tend to lean towards the left, everything I say must be fundamentally flawed or biased?

slywolf45 said:I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised by the specific sub-forum😁 for the gay crowd over at NYU.👍(okay, not a PDF, but close enough..)

I went in expecting a massive workload—constant deletions, heavy moderation, all that jazz... but it turns out it isn't nearly as intense as I feared. And I know people are reading. Let them read. 😍 Sure, people have tried to throw insults our way, but honestly, it's significantly less frequent than what you see on other threads covering the same subject. 🙂

Cool. But I think the proposed PDF requires its own specific set of regulations—for reasons that remain somewhat hazy for a group that doesn't even exist in reality...

Matthew Grant9 said:Oh boy, I think we are totally talking past each other here....
It wasn't even my intention to feel insulted by that, it's more like I just don't know how to handle it! Like, how am I supposed to respond—and I mean anyone, using this as an example—when someone hits back at me in that specific tone? I honestly have no clue how to carry on a discussion when the "argument" is just of course you'd think that way since you're a woman?
And does anyone seriously believe that just because I tend to lean towards the left, everything I say must be fundamentally flawed or biased?

I know exactly what you mean.
The solution is simple—just put those types on ignore and get back to your business. It works. 😁

feralpilot0 said:Cool. But I think the proposed PDF requires its own specific set of regulations—for reasons that remain somewhat hazy for a group that doesn't even exist in reality...

I know exactly what you mean.
The solution is simple—just put those types on ignore and get back to your business. It works. 😁

I don't even know what my take would be on a transgender corner.
The whole subject of being transgender is so incredibly layered that you could probably argue about it until the internet itself goes offline. 😲😁

As for specific regulations... look, I suspect order could be established fairly quickly. People tend to make a huge scene and throw a tantrum at first, but once they realize their protest isn't gaining any traction, most just move on.
I'm just not sure there would be much interest in that particular PDF. It seems pretty thin to me. I haven't seen anything remotely similar over on Psychology (or any other sub-forum).
Maybe it exists somewhere, but I certainly haven't come across it.🤷

rustydrifter10 said:It’s actually incredibly easy to sit down with people like that and walk them through why their whole argument doesn't even hold water.

Well, that’s not exactly how it works... I actually saw a chat over on MK where people are basically just rubber-stamping those entries for the Women's Corner.

I actually just dropped a few posts over there too! 🙂
They didn't actually ban me or anything, they just pulled me aside and told me that my post didn't really fit within the community guidelines here, so they went ahead and deleted it.
Thanks for pointing that out, Khuf! 😘
Thanks so much, Deedy/Mikey, for taking the time to unbox this one for us! 😘

Honestly, I just feel like it’s only polite to answer whenever someone directs a question my way. Even if we’re on completely different pages, or even if I get the distinct impression that someone is being intentionally provocative or trying to take a dig at me, I'm still going to give them an answer. It's just how I operate.

Look, if someone is being rude to you, it’s because they are just a fundamentally rude person—period. It isn't some reaction to you typing something specific or hitting "post" on a comment; their attitude is entirely their own issue, regardless of what you choose to say.

Wait, am I being off topic now? Is it because my little observation—that this whole thing isn't even really the main subject—is somehow serving as an excuse for them to throw even more questions at me?

I dropped a few posts over there too. 🙂
They didn't ban me or anything, they just told me that according to the rules I shouldn't be posting there and then deleted them.
Thanks, Khuf, for pointing that out. 😘
And thanks, Deedy/Mayki, for not banning me! 😘

Aha, so you're one of those people who doesn't bother reading the rules, huh?🙂

Someone is being rude to you simply because they are a rude person, not because you aren't allowed to post there.

Good grief, I honestly feel like I've stepped right into the Twilight Zone here🤣.
I don't think they're being rude specifically because of that... ahhh...😢....😠

feralpilot0 said:Cool. But I think the proposed PDF requires its own specific set of regulations—for reasons that remain somewhat hazy for a group that doesn't even exist in reality...

I know exactly what you mean.
The solution is simple—just put those types on ignore and get back to your business. It works. 😁

Okay, that's definitely one way to go about it (even though, personally, I don't really use those features). But... couldn't there just be a specific corner for things like what briskpuma23 is describing, so that nobody would ever have to ignore anyone else?

feralpilot0 said:It doesn't hold because it doesn't hold? Seriously?

The reason there are bans is precisely because the rule holds—you're always free to report when you feel targeted or provide counterexamples; otherwise, you're just trolling.

Let's just open a PDF that practically screams for a 24-hour moderator on duty—it's the same logic used for the LGBTQ+ corner. Yeah, because that'll definitely solve everything.

Look, I already said it—I don't have the luxury of digging through old threads; I actually have work to do. If people want to believe what they want, fine; I couldn't care less about anyone else. My only reason for speaking up was that I think the claim that ad hominem attacks are regularly spotted and penalized—which is, frankly, a total falsehood—is a pretty terrible foundation for discussing this topic at all.

you're always free to report whenever you feel targeted

I have never felt threatened, nor have I ever reported attacks directed at me. I fight my own battles.

either provide opposing examples, otherwise you're just trolling.

Fine, then I'm trolling. If I really have to choose between getting banned from the forum or missing deadlines, I’ll take the ban every single time.

Matthew Grant9 said:Wait, am I being off topic now? Is it because my little observation—that this whole thing isn't even really the main subject—is somehow serving as an excuse for them to throw even more questions at me?

I dropped a few posts over there too. 🙂
They didn't ban me or anything, they just told me that according to the rules I shouldn't be posting there and then deleted them.
Thanks, Khuf, for pointing that out. 😘
And thanks, Deedy/Mayki, for not banning me! 😘

Aha, so you're one of those people who doesn't bother reading the rules, huh?🙂

Someone is being rude to you simply because they are a rude person, not because you aren't allowed to post there.

Good grief, I honestly feel like I've stepped right into the Twilight Zone here🤣.
I don't think they're being rude specifically because of that... ahhh...😢....😠

Okay, that's definitely one way to go about it (even though, personally, I don't really use those features). But... couldn't there just be a specific corner for things like what briskpuma23 is describing, so that nobody would ever have to ignore anyone else?

Well, you could just wrap that thought into the rest of your post. 😁
Or, honestly, you can just ignore the person entirely. Or shoot them a private message.

Oh, so you're one of those people who doesn't actually read the rules, huh?🙂

I totally thought this was supposed to be that Women's Corner area. 🙈

Good grief, I feel like I've stepped straight into the Twilight Zone right now🤣.
I don't think they're being intentionally rude... ahhhh...😢....😠

Look, if someone tries to tell me my opinion doesn't matter just because I'm a woman, I'm not even going to bother engaging. I usually just don't have the energy or the desire to sit there and explain myself.
And frankly, I see that as a failure on the part of that user, not a flaw in the forum itself.

rustydrifter10 As if I could ever say anything without overthinking it! It’s like my brain just goes into overdrive sometimes, trying to find the perfect way to express myself, only to end up stumbling over my own words in a way that's probably more charmingly awkward than intentional. Anyway, here's what was said:
I mean, honestly, it could totally just be tucked right into the rest of the post! 😁
Honestly, you could just totally ignore that person if you wanted to, or if you're feeling a bit more proactive, you could always just shoot them a quick private message!

I mean, sure, it all fits together in the grand scheme of things, but people just always seem to zero in on that one specific point! Honestly, I just can't—well, I actually won't—just turn a blind eye when someone is asking me direct questions or addressing me personally. I've already written my response, and I'm more than happy to stand by it and say it once more!

Honestly, if someone tries to tell me that my opinion doesn't carry any weight just because I'm a woman, I don't even bother getting into a whole argument with them! It’s just not worth my energy to dive into a debate like that, so I usually just smile and move on.

Well, they aren't actually saying that! I didn't even go so far as to claim that they're saying it—honestly, I suspect they don't even mean it that way. (I am just absolutely obsessed with how that sentence turned out!)
I'm really not trying to sound chauvinistic here... honestly, I'm just throwing up my hands in defeat! I truly don't think I can explain my point any better than I already have in my previous posts, so I'll just leave it at that!

Honestly, if you ask me, the real issue here isn't that PDF file at all—it's actually just a lack of character on that particular forum member's part!

And who else happens to feel differently about all this?

I feel like I have to ask... are you still picking at me over that whole situation back when we were rooting for the Dodgers, or what? Honestly, I’ve got more patience than anyone could possibly expect, but it really isn't okay to act like this. When someone reaches out to the administration to ask for help, it feels pretty terrible when you just dismiss all that hard work by leaning right back into the very thing they're trying so desperately to move past!

Matthew Grant9 said:

rustydrifter10 As if I could ever say anything without overthinking it! It’s like my brain just goes into overdrive sometimes, trying to find the perfect way to express myself, only to end up stumbling over my own words in a way that's probably more charmingly awkward than intentional. Anyway, here's what was said:
I mean, honestly, it could totally just be tucked right into the rest of the post! 😁
Honestly, you could just totally ignore that person if you wanted to, or if you're feeling a bit more proactive, you could always just shoot them a quick private message!

I mean, sure, it all fits together in the grand scheme of things, but people just always seem to zero in on that one specific point! Honestly, I just can't—well, I actually won't—just turn a blind eye when someone is asking me direct questions or addressing me personally. I've already written my response, and I'm more than happy to stand by it and say it once more!

Honestly, if someone tries to tell me that my opinion doesn't carry any weight just because I'm a woman, I don't even bother getting into a whole argument with them! It’s just not worth my energy to dive into a debate like that, so I usually just smile and move on.

Well, they aren't actually saying that! I didn't even go so far as to claim that they're saying it—honestly, I suspect they don't even mean it that way. (I am just absolutely obsessed with how that sentence turned out!)
I'm really not trying to sound chauvinistic here... honestly, I'm just throwing up my hands in defeat! I truly don't think I can explain my point any better than I already have in my previous posts, so I'll just leave it at that!

Honestly, if you ask me, the real issue here isn't that PDF file at all—it's actually just a lack of character on that particular forum member's part!

And who else happens to feel differently about all this?

I feel like I have to ask... are you still picking at me over that whole situation back when we were rooting for the Dodgers, or what? Honestly, I’ve got more patience than anyone could possibly expect, but it really isn't okay to act like this. When someone reaches out to the administration to ask for help, it feels pretty terrible when you just dismiss all that hard work by leaning right back into the very thing they're trying so desperately to move past!

No.

But if you actually believe the administration is going to take a more realistic look at your request for a PDF—one that isn't cluttered with these totally unnecessary counterarguments—just because I'm not here to bicker with you, then fine, I'll stop the discussion right now.

Otherwise, if you ask me, all this extra drama being thrown into the mix just to get a hold of a single PDF seems way more intense than it ever needed to be.

rustydrifter10 said:No.

But if you actually believe the administration is going to take a more realistic look at your request for a PDF—one that isn't cluttered with these totally unnecessary counterarguments—just because I'm not here to bicker with you, then fine, I'll stop the discussion right now.

Otherwise, if you ask me, all this extra drama being thrown into the mix just to get a hold of a single PDF seems way more intense than it ever needed to be.

Alright then, thanks! I am more than happy to keep explaining my thoughts for as long as it takes to clear things up.

But if you think the admins might take a more realistic look at your request for a PDF without any (un)founded counterarguments just because I stop arguing with you, then fine, I'll end the discussion.

Honestly, I have absolutely no clue what would actually convince the administration to consider—or better yet, respect—a request, I just really didn't want this to feel like I was intentionally undermining the process.
I am so sorry if I came across as harsh; I honestly thought you were just being sarcastic with me!

Anyway, it seems to me that the approach used here to try and get that PDF is way more intense than it needs to be for this section.

I don't know about that... if I (or even some guy from down the street) tried to start a thread in the General Chat titled something like: Does anyone know where Ivo Sanders finally ended up sitting? with an intro where I'm questioning how much of our hard-earned tax money goes toward paying the salaries of Congress members and journalists while they spend hours obsessing over someone else's chair, only for them to feed us that nonsense in the news constantly and annoy us with stuff that never seems to end...
The moderators in General Chat would, quite rightfully, either:
a.) delete it entirely, with or without a penalty point
b.) move it to Politics, where they’d probably label me left-wing or right-wing almost immediately before locking it down
c.) move it to Business, since I'm technically mentioning money there

That is the kind of thread I'd love to start, I just can't see a place where I could actually host it (without getting banned and still having a decent discussion)!

briskpuma23 said:It’s been common knowledge for a long time that this forum is mostly dominated by a narrow, small-minded mindset, and I have no interest in debating that.

What actually shook my delicate soul today was something else—something different, yet equally telling. This forum doesn't offer a space for people who don't fit into the binary of male or female.

Germany, a country that has always led the way—sometimes through genocide, sometimes through tolerance, depending on which way the wind blows—recognizes five genders.

I'm not suggesting we should immediately adopt everything from the decaying West, even if it comes from the only nation we love besides our own homeland, but let's be honest with ourselves: there are all kinds of people out there. Not everyone identifies according to medieval standards.

If there’s a Women's Corner—which, let's be objective, hasn't offered an original thought since the idea that women can think—and a Men's Corner, which is only conditional at best and serves as a sanctuary for unlived adolescents, then I see no reason why we shouldn't provide a subforum for those who don't feel like men or women, yet still crave a sense of belonging. To put it in forum terminology - let's call it a subforum for gender-neutral cosmopolitans, anationalists, stateless people, and xenophiles.

I don't need to prove that a transgender subforum couldn't be even more ridiculous than, say, the Alternative section, or that its residents will certainly have more coherent thoughts than the crowd in Spirituality, be more mentally stable than the group in Psychology, or show a higher level of tolerance than the folks in Politics—that much is already obvious. The important thing is that such a subforum could serve as a refuge for anyone who feels stifled by the existing two gender-defined sections.

And I don't doubt for a second that once this subforum comes to life—and it will, whether now or in three years—it will eventually sink into petty conformism. People there will likely be mocked for defending the only logical thesis: that every human is a gender unto themselves, and therefore there are as many genders as there are human beings. But it doesn't matter! Transgender people have a right to be petty too! Let's give them that.

Thanks for listening.

Look, if some niche little corner for the transgender / stateless / whatever label you want to slap on today crowd means that people like you will never be allowed inside the actual, functioning brain of the Women's Corner... then honestly, I’m all for setting up your own little bubble. 👍

Matthew Grant9 said:Alright then, thanks! I am more than happy to keep explaining my thoughts for as long as it takes to clear things up.

But if you think the admins might take a more realistic look at your request for a PDF without any (un)founded counterarguments just because I stop arguing with you, then fine, I'll end the discussion.

Honestly, I have absolutely no clue what would actually convince the administration to consider—or better yet, respect—a request, I just really didn't want this to feel like I was intentionally undermining the process.
I am so sorry if I came across as harsh; I honestly thought you were just being sarcastic with me!

Anyway, it seems to me that the approach used here to try and get that PDF is way more intense than it needs to be for this section.

I don't know about that... if I (or even some guy from down the street) tried to start a thread in the General Chat titled something like: Does anyone know where Ivo Sanders finally ended up sitting? with an intro where I'm questioning how much of our hard-earned tax money goes toward paying the salaries of Congress members and journalists while they spend hours obsessing over someone else's chair, only for them to feed us that nonsense in the news constantly and annoy us with stuff that never seems to end...
The moderators in General Chat would, quite rightfully, either:
a.) delete it entirely, with or without a penalty point
b.) move it to Politics, where they’d probably label me left-wing or right-wing almost immediately before locking it down
c.) move it to Business, since I'm technically mentioning money there

That is the kind of thread I'd love to start, I just can't see a place where I could actually host it (without getting banned and still having a decent discussion)!

Go ahead, open that thread on the Random board and I promise I'll jump in and reply, even though I'm rarely ever hanging out on that specific subforum. 😁
I'll even stick my neck out and defend it, even if they end up banning me for life! 😳

rustydrifter10 said:Go ahead, open that thread on the Random board and I promise I'll jump in and reply, even though I'm rarely ever hanging out on that specific subforum. 😁
I'll even stick my neck out and defend it, even if they end up banning me for life! 😳

🙂
You're honestly tempting me to act totally ridiculous here.
😍
But I really don't want to go around making a complete fool of myself on purpose.

Is there going to be any word from the staff members who are in charge of setting up the new subforums?
I mean, I am just absolutely, positively, incredibly loving this idea—like, seriously, I would love it so much if we could get a dedicated Women's Corner established... so, please, give us a little hint if there's actually a chance we can make this happen!

lovely 🙂 for 😉

I don't quite follow—how would they be any more mentally stable than the crowd over at the Psychology department? I guess there’s a certain logic to introducing something like a "trans-forum," especially regarding the Women's Corner. Back at my psych department, we recently had a session centered on specific questions about being transgender, and we also had dedicated "corners" for gay topics and analyses of homophobia. And, well, America could probably stomach that, of course. These are usually active, widely read subjects. Topics on feminism could also fall under that umbrella—or maybe even discussions on androgyny. Then there's the whole role-playing aspect on forums—adopting an opposite-gender handle (which isn't very common, though apparently some advanced folks do it). And finally, all that fluff Oprah would dive into—fashion transformations, Saša Broz's secret hairstyles... things like what color underwear you wear, your bedroom setup, or why Danijela Trbović was so irritating to certain people, or why Dražen Ilinčić is almost never annoying to anyone. It would probably generate quite a bit of buzz, both in the media and regionally.

Theoretically speaking, if we actually did this, who on earth would moderate it?

😁

hollowtrucker77 said:So, from what I’ve gathered so far, the idea is that they’re opening up a subforum where basically anyone can start a thread about whatever random thing pops into their head, and then we just let the forum members descend into total chaos debating it?

I mean, honestly, I think we basically already have that.
It’s called 🤔off topic. 😁