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Susan Gomez33 said:Look, my friend, these are just empty slogans; no matter how much you try to learn them, you still manage to display an enviable level of ignorance regarding the most basic fundamentals.

That’s exactly what a decent portion of the people here are trying to make clear. To hawk Herbalife, you don't actually need any real expertise; all you need is a handful of catchy buzzwords like "cellular nutrition" to sound important. But look, you stepped into a debate about chemistry, biology, and physiology alongside actual biologists and biochemists—people who, unlike you, actually have a grasp on the science behind the jargon they're using.

Lesson number one: you aren't going to find "N.O." written that way anywhere, because it doesn't actually mean anything; if you want to be correct, it's just NO.
And once again, unlike you, I actually understand what Nitric Oxid is; I’ve spent enough time digging through the original Ignarrov papers for my own work to know the real deal, whereas if I were ever forced to sit through a lecture on Nitric Oxid or basic vitamins and minerals delivered by an ignorant person of your caliber, I’d probably just commit ritual suicide right then and there.

"My dear"... really? 😉 Thanks. 😁
You're right that I don't have all the answers yet, but I know exactly where I'm headed, and whether anyone else decides to help me get there or just stands by is honestly irrelevant—I'll reach that goal eventually, it's just a matter of how much time it takes. I've never been one for surface-level shortcuts; I want to actually grasp the mechanics of how things work rather than just blindly following whatever some expert says, you feel me?

I didn't step into this debate by choice; I was dragged into it, which is a massive distinction. I let my guard down and allowed myself to be pulled onto unfamiliar ground just so they could try to take me down, but that’s an impossible task—I always end up coming out of these things even stronger and more unhinged than before. 😁
When people come at me with attacks, I just try to process them through logic and my own perspective, but when it comes to insults, I tend to give back exactly what I get—if not a little more. 😎
If people actually used a bit of common sense, they’d take a second to click through the links I stumble upon and actually consider the points I'm making, rather than just burning all their energy trying to pick a fight with me. 🙂

Ignarrov doesn't reveal everything he knows or the full mechanics behind how that product actually works in those papers; he’s just laying out the general principles, while the real secret remains patented and locked away within that one specific formula. Since you clearly have a much deeper handle on this than I do, I really don't want to get into a back-and-forth about it, but all I can say is that the core trick lies in converting citrulline into arginine—I haven't quite wrapped my head around the science of that yet, though I'll certainly try to figure it out.

At the end of his lecture, he just looked out at us and said, "If you can wrap your head around how aspirin and Viagra work, then you’re more than capable of understanding nitric oxid." It was one of those lines that hangs in the air, making you realize how much we overcomplicate things. I remember sitting in a similar seminar back in Chicago years ago, thinking the exact same thing while staring at my coffee.
I haven't quite wrapped my head around the full implications of that sentence yet, but I figure there's no point dwelling on aspirin or Viagra—everyone already knows the drill with those. So, we're left with Nitric Oxid. It’s the only thing left worth looking into, and if I have to spend some time figuring out how it actually works, well, I suppose I will. 😎

I’m not out here trying to lecture anyone; if anything, I’m just looking to pick the brains of people who actually know more than I do. That doesn't give anyone the right to dismiss me as some clueless salesman, though. You should probably drop the ego, too—who knows, maybe we’ll all end up heading down to Santa Barbara this July for his seminar on Nitric Oxid. 🙂
Rachel Brooks63 said:You know what the real issue is?

Luca, Sarah Gomez52, kumek, rustymoose54, and I—I’m sorry if I missed anyone, I really didn't mean to leave anyone out—all know that he’s just talking out of his ass, essentially acting like a loudmouth who spends way too much time hoarding links. But the rest of the people on this forum don't have that context, and it creates this unsettling situation where they might end up choosing between actual expertise and someone who simply writes a lot and sounds convincing. It’s honestly pretty scary, because some people will inevitably decide to trust him just because they assume the real experts don't actually know what they're talking about anyway.

Do I come across as convincing? (Thanks for the recommendation...) 😉
I’m not trying to sit here and claim that the experts have absolutely no clue what they’re doing—that isn't my point at all. What I am saying is that the level of knowledge some of you carry simply isn't enough to offer real-world, practical help to people. If we were actually sharing recommendations based on honest, proven results, we could show people how to improve their health without having to rely on those shady medical advice loops and endless prescriptions.
Of course this hits a nerve for some people; if things actually become transparent, they won't be able to charge those exorbitant fees anymore, and I honestly get why there's so much pushback here. But trying to paint me as some clueless amateur just because I don't hold a degree in chemical engineering or nutritional science feels like a bit of a cheap shot, frankly.
The advice I pass along to people out in the field is really just a tiny fraction of what the top-tier experts in this industry share with me, and frankly, I can pick and choose whatever bits actually interest me. The real question is whether I even need all that extra depth, because I’ve already realized I have a tendency to overcomplicate things far more than necessary.

I’ve crossed paths with enough doctors, nutritionists, and chemists to know that skepticism is usually just a phase. I remember talking to a researcher back in Chicago who was just as dismissive as you are now, but his entire outlook shifted the moment he actually felt the effects of the product and grasped the underlying science of how it works. It's inevitable, really; whether it takes you one year or ten, I am certain you'll eventually find yourselves repeating my exact words once you experience it firsthand. 😉
Why am I so certain? It’s because, despite all that massive ego on display, I actually believe you guys are reasonable, intelligent people; my goal in life has always been to learn from those who possess actual sense rather than wasting my breath on pointless bickering. 🙂

If you think I’m being stubborn or just digging my heels in to defend my position, honestly, it's only because I know exactly what I'm talking about. If any of you had actually stood where I was standing and lived through what I did, you probably wouldn't be arguing; you'd be explaining it to everyone else with a lot more nuance and a lot less certainty. 🙂
nimbledriver81 said:Take it easy, Rachel Brooks63, don't let him get under your skin. You can see he's just digging his own grave deeper with every single post he makes. 😁 Just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show; honestly, this is better than anything on Netflix right now.

Exactly—it’s the best defense, I suppose... I try to back up my points with actual facts or some kind of logical reasoning, though I completely get why you find the whole thing hilarious, because even I have to laugh at myself sometimes for putting in this much effort when I know you all have your own version of the "truth," leaving me to just wait, much like you are, until it becomes obvious that everything I'm saying is actually perfectly logical and true. 😁
Sarah Gomez52 said:There are NO abbreviations for chemical formulas!!! And when it comes to naming chemical compounds here in America, we use American terminology, not English!!!
Sit down.

Look, I already told you I wasn't abbreviating a chemical formula, I was just shortening the phrase Nitric Oxide, but you can be real prickly sometimes... 😁

Sarah Gomez52 said:God, I just love this syndrome where illiterate, frustrated people jump at any chance to emphasize that they once sat in on some doctor's lecture—and get this, they even took a photo with him!!!

The point isn't that I personally hung out with him or snapped a selfie; it’s more that anyone can do that. If some uneducated guy can manage it, then actual experts like yourself have the exact same opportunity if you actually bother to try... 😉

And if I were actually as brilliant and specialized as you claim to be, I probably would have used the meeting to discuss technical topics, but honestly, just being in his presence was enough for me... 😉
nimbledriver81 said:It’s not that we’re acting superior; it’s just that your level of understanding is so low you can't even follow what we're saying. You don't grasp basic concepts or how the human body actually functions. You just pick up some random tidbit somewhere and start throwing definitions and advice around without having a clue. You've proven that more than once. Maybe you should get real and realize there isn't exactly a hungry market for your products here. People who actually care about their health can manage just fine without your help.

I might not have everything figured out quite as perfectly as you do, but I see the results these products deliver right in front of me, and my enthusiasm is far too great for me to sit here and provide a hundred percent scientific breakdown... which usually leads me into certain traps when I try to "think out loud" to explain things to myself and everyone else. A real salesman would probably just take a "take it or leave it" approach, but I'm no salesman, and I suppose that's my curse. 😎

I can't say I agree with your assumption that everyone knows exactly what's best for their own health, especially when you look at the state of things everywhere you turn... even doctors and physicians seem to be getting sicker these days. 😢
Rachel Brooks63 said:YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BASIC CHEMISTRY, LIKE SEVENTH GRADE MATERIAL!!!!!!!!

Did someone's ego just get a little too loud? .. very nice .. 😁

Rachel Brooks63 said:Did you even finish middle school? You definitely didn't finish high school, because any high school chemistry teacher would feel terrible knowing one of their students doesn't know it's Nitric Oxide, not N.O. !!!!!!!!!!
What is N.O.????? Nitric Oxide? Is there some specific way to say it in American English? Do you have a textbook on this? You don't even know how to spell a chemical compound, which just shows you don't know how to write anything at all!!!!!!!!!1

You’re being ridiculous; I didn't write N.O. to label a specific compound, I was just using it as an abbreviation... and I honestly don't get why you're getting so worked up... 😕
As for NO (thanks so much for pointing out my lack of periods 😁 ), I just know what I read here:

http://www.nrg-fit.com/luis_ignnaro.asp

along with some extra explanations I heard during a lecture by Dr. Luis Ignarro....
It's perfectly normal that I don't grasp half of it yet—given my background on the subject—but that doesn't mean I haven't caught the general point...
All that knowledge you think you have right now isn't worth even 0.1% of what I actually HAVE, which is a product that can actually help someone, so save the arrogance for someone else; you aren't impressing me with all this posturing.. 😎

Rachel Brooks63 said:>EVERYONE, DON'T READ WHAT THIS FRAUD IS WRITING, HE HAS NO CLUE WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT!!!!


haha, why all the hysterics? 😁
Sure, if you don't believe me, go ahead and read it yourself here:

http://www.weightlossline.com/heart/niteworks.html

http://www.niteworksinfo.com/

👋
nimbledriver81 said:🤣 Honestly, I couldn't care less... whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant.

haha, I just wanted to let you know that I actually respect anyone who puts in the effort to explain themselves here, rather than just picking fights for the sake of it.. 😉

you don't look quite as "ugly" as you seem to be, either.. 😁
Susan Gomez33 said:Just a little more regarding the organic side of things... 😉

"Mark Hughes, Herbalife's Founder, unknown
Mark Hughes, Herbalife's Founder, unknown
Stephen Barrett

In May 2002, Herbalife founder, chairman, and chief executive officer Mark Reynold Hughes, was found dead at his $27 million oceanfront mansion in Malibu, California. In a series of articles about the death, David Evans (Bloomberg News) reported:

Hughes died after a 4-day drinking binge, apparently from an overdose of alcohol and the antidepressant drug doxepin.
His blood alcohol level was 0.21% (more than double the "drunk driving" level).
He was being treated by a psychiatrist for a drinking problem.
Hughes said many times that he had been inspired to start his company after his mother (Jo Ann Hartman) died from taking diet pills. However, unknown
This article was posted on December 17, 2004.

I'm glad this topic caught your eye. 😁

News outlets can spin just about anything—which I suppose is their job—but the reality is that Mark Hughes (the guy who started Herbalife) ended up poisoned during one of those massive parties he used to throw at his place in Malibu, California, back in 2000. It isn't exactly hard to guess who might have wanted him out of the way; he was a thorn in the side of quite a few people. 😕
The way people try to label someone as crazy just because they had a vision back in the early 80s when Herbalife was born, or simply because they believed nutrition was linked to overall health—it’s all pretty predictable. Honestly, that's a concept most people accept as common sense nowadays, so I don't see what the big deal is. 😁

His whole reason for starting Herbalife was to make sure nobody else suffered through dangerous diets like his mother, Jo Ann Hartman, did. She was an actress who was constantly trying to maintain a certain look through various diets, eventually passing away at 36 due to a bad reaction to some medications. 😢
For a slightly softer version of the story, you can check here:

http://www.nrg-fit.com/herbalife_prica.asp

Got any other "arguments" to throw out? 😁
Hannah Cox22 said:Honestly, I don't get why MacProphet feels the need to muddy the waters every single time a nutrition topic comes up.

I find it strange that people even bother arguing with him in the first place.

👎

They argue because they don't actually know much about nutrition... 😉
they argue because they're desperate to prove I have no clue what I'm talking about... 😎
and they argue because they think having a basic grasp of chemistry somehow qualifies them to give dietary advice... 😁

I'm just defending myself against their jabs, but unfortunately, that's how we end up drifting away from the actual topic... 😲
Susan Gomez33 said:Look, my dear "personal nutrition advisor"—someone who clearly lacks even a passing familiarity with basic chemistry or how the human body actually functions—I'm not getting worked up; I simply asked you a question that you didn't have the answer to.

You could probably peddle those little stories about laboratory miracles to the ignorant types—people like yourself who desperately need something to believe in, whether it’s some miracle cure or just the idea of "natural vitamins." 🙏

If you want to have a serious discussion about anything at all, you actually need some basic knowledge, which is clearly lacking here—it’s pretty obvious from your posts to anyone who spent even a little bit of time paying attention in high school biology or chemistry class instead of just sitting around being restless.

Have you ever actually sat down and read one of the scientific papers by the men you keep citing? If you have, I seriously doubt you grasped any of it, especially since you've already admitted your English isn't exactly top-tier, and honestly, you need more than just basic literacy to make sense of those studies. For instance, do you even know what specific scientific contribution earned Ignarro the Nobel Prize?

I mean, have you actually ever stepped foot inside a chemical or biological lab? Unless you've spent enough time around test tubes to know what you're talking about, claiming that the lab at UCLA is the best in the world is a pretty massive stretch. You really seem to be struggling with the most basic concepts here.

Look, if you want my advice, just grab some decent high school textbooks and start studying; you really need to wrap your head around the basics first.

Every time I run into a question I can't answer right away, it just gives me a little extra push to go out and find the solution, which honestly ends up being a decent excuse to learn something new along the way. 🙂
There's nothing really shameful about being uninformed, but there is something deeply exhausting about people who refuse to learn while simultaneously acting like they have all the answers.

I’ve had plenty of conversations with experts who haven't the slightest clue what I actually do for a living, and when I casually ask them about the reputation of UCLA, they all say the same thing—that it's the gold standard globally when it comes to research, equipment, and actual results. I've seen enough citations to back that up myself, but hey, if you want to keep believing your own little lab is the pinnacle of science and that you're the smartest person in the room, go right ahead; I'm certainly not going to be the one to burst that bubble for you. 😉

When it comes to the basics of what actually works for your health, you don't need a PhD in biochemistry or a degree in biology. All I really need is proof of who it worked for, and honestly, I have more than enough of those stories to last a lifetime; I’ve personally met hundreds of people who have seen these results firsthand, and I know thousands more through the grapevine. That kind of real-world evidence should be more than enough to convince anyone, but unfortunately, I keep finding myself on this impossible mission, trying to explain common sense to people who seem to think they've already mastered all the wisdom in the world—which is why I always end up stuck in these exhausting little arguments.

I know Ignarro actually won a Nobel Prize for his research on nitric oxide, and if you're interested in checking out the book he wrote, you can always borrow it from me. 😉
He finally figured out how to manipulate nitric oxide levels to help protect people from heart attacks—since our bodies just don't produce enough of it on their own.
If you’re actually interested in his lecture, you can probably sign up for it if you really want to.
Even though Ignarro is a total genius when it comes to this field, he still ended up carrying an extra 70 pounds before he used Herbalife products to drop it all in just a single year. That experience clearly changed everything for him; he fell in love with the company, and now he’s working side-by-side with David Heber to refine their entire lineup and develop new formulas. They're even working on that famous "Night Works" formula, which is designed to help prevent heart attacks and move cardiac patients out of that high-risk category and into a much safer one.
I had a bit of a realization about nitric oxide while listening to his lecture; if you're actually interested in hearing about it, I might try to walk you through it some other time. 😉

5 - I’m just focusing on what actually interests me—nutrition trends and plant research—and when it comes to that, I'm pretty sure UCLA is the gold standard. Everything else is just noise to me. 😉

6 - I appreciate the advice, really, but I'm already following it; I'm basically going back to basics so that one day I might actually be able to give a lecture to someone like you.
To be honest, I've picked up a lot here on this forum, though it's a bit exhausting seeing how much negativity there is whenever someone tries to share what they know... everyone seems to be acting so "high and mighty" (is it the degrees?) which honestly doesn't impress me at all. The people I grew up with and spent my time with weren't these kinds of snobs; they were just regular, down-to-earth people who were actually easy to talk to. 😁
Sarah Gomez52 said:Got anything to offer? Maybe that thing between your legs?
Thanks, but I already have plenty of that in my life, and I enjoy it quite regularly 😎

Well, now we see who's actually dwelling on nonsense; please stop trying to force your own half-baked thoughts onto me... 😁
nimbledriver81 said:You're cutting back on protein way too much.
How does your clothing fit lately? If you haven't noticed any change in scale, it’s entirely possible you just swapped out some fat for muscle. Muscle is significantly denser than fat, so you could be sitting at the exact same weight while your body composition actually improves.

nimbledriver81, you've hit the nail on the head right there, and honestly, despite our past disagreements, I find myself completely agreeing with you. 😉
fadedtrucker19 said:1... "it’s very important WHO finds this exhausting ???" ...
Anyone who isn't involved in Multi-level marketing.

2..."people just like you thought it was the biggest joke in 1984 when they claimed omega 3 was good for health (21 years ago), while today we know it's true.."
A pathetic attempt at disqualification based on zero facts and even fewer arguments, all while trying to act like the smartest person in the room.
It fails on every single level.

3.... "the question is what will you realize in the next 5-10 years?"
Look, even if I somehow realized one day that Multi-level marketing actually works—which is about as likely as it raining axes—I wouldn't buy anything from someone who can't even write properly.

4... You've already shown your level of chemistry knowledge, so I won't bother... I've clearly forgotten more chemistry than you'll ever learn.

5... "but I am sure that the most modern and prestigious lab of its kind in the world is at UCLA, so you don't have to agree with that, that's your problem" - And that's an argument... what kind?

6... "esteemed American nutrition experts, on this (following) link you also have the email for Dr. David Heber, so ask him everything since you don't believe me"
- And that big doctor is...? I don't think anyone would send an email to a Multi-level marketing distributor... it's like asking a sheep if meat is healthy.

7... "is it not true that diet can affect cancer?? .."
- I didn't say that. I said your Herbalife is definitely a cure for cancer. And AIDS.

8... "you could educate yourselves a bit and go to lectures by my teachers:"
- Your teachers are websites? Just as I thought...

1 - This isn't about Multi-level marketing; I'm providing information about things that can help people. Whether you buy it at a local health food store or from a distributor (Multi-level marketing) is irrelevant... the main point is understanding that natural plant products offer better health benefits than pharmaceuticals... 🙂

2 - I can't find the original document right now (too many years have passed), but the pharmaceutical industry sued Herbalife in a US court back in 1984 when they started producing omega 3 for "slander," "lies," and spreading "misinformation" regarding omega 3 (and claims that it was good for human health). The court ruled in their favor and fined Herbalife $750,000, which they paid before moving on (they were too small back then to fight them on equal footing)

3 - "buying from someone illiterate" is a problem for many, especially those with oversized egos; in that case, just go to a pharmacy and let some "expert" sell you some poison... 😁
My take on this business is that I do know a thing or two about it, but even what I know now is far too much for people like you... 😉

4 - For me, knowing chemistry isn't even necessary for this work; it feels like I'm trying to convince someone, but really I'm just defending myself against stupid, baseless attacks from people who don't know how to apply their knowledge in practice... 😎

5 - What kind of argument is that? The kind where that lab is named after the Herbalife founder, Mark Hughes—"MARK HUGHES CELLULAR & MOLECULAR NUTRITION LAB"

http://www.nrg-fit.com/molecular_nutrion_lab.asp

6 - Dr. David Heber is a scientist and doesn't deal in sales; he's with Herbalife simply because Herbalife is No. 1 and he knows that through Herbalife, he can best expand his nutritional findings across the world, which is the fundamental mission of Louis Ignarro and all the others (the 160-170 top experts).

7 - Look, Herbalife isn't some medical miracle; it's just food. Once you actually wrap your head around that, you can start thinking about this much more constructively. Despite how much power Big Pharma holds over us, Herbalife tries to show that people can take their health into their own hands through nutrition instead of just sitting around waiting for some doctor's mercy—not to mention those endless six-month waits for an appointment. The body is basically a perfect machine, and if you fuel it right, it runs beautifully. Even if things have gone sideways, it's not all lost because the human organism is constantly regenerating itself; once you realize that and start giving it exactly what it needs, you can help it recover and heal, even if "cure" is a bit of a stretch... 😉

8 - Don't play dumb, or you might just end up staying that way... though, honestly, sorry, looks like I'm a little late with that warning... 😂
The rising demand for wellness tourism in Health ·
If you want to dig a little deeper into the world of wellness, you can find some insights right here:

http://www.wellness-hr.net/opis.htm

"Without health, intelligence is useless, talent goes unseen, strength cannot be demonstrated, wealth loses its purpose, and intellect becomes impossible to apply."

Basically, what I'm getting at is that nutrition and physical health are the foundation of everything else; if you’re feeling like death, all those fancy hot tubs, saunas, or even a massage aren't going to do much for you.. 😁
Food and Wellness in Health ·
Walter Wilson said:- That was just an inside joke aimed more at "George" than you! Don't let it get to you. Cheers!🙂 👋

Walter Wilson said:- Come on, please don't derail my thread! I'm still being polite here! 🙂

It’s funny how you find it hilarious to poke fun at others, yet when the tables turn, suddenly it isn't a joke anymore... maybe if you worked on that, your allergies might actually clear up. 😁
fadedtrucker19 said:I’m honestly just fascinated by his sheer audacity.

Ten different people on this board tell him he's being dense and exhausting, yet he just keeps doubling down on his own nonsense...

Even when we call out his ignorance or catch him in a blatant lie, he just sails right past it as if nothing happened...

You've already made your level of intelligence quite clear, and frankly, I have no interest in discussing it further; being called "stupid" doesn't really rattle me when I see who's throwing the insult around... 😁

As for whether I'm being "exhausting," that's a whole other conversation...
The real question is WHO am I being exhausting to?
Back in the day, people would have called you crazy for suggesting Omega-3 was actually good for you, but twenty years later, everyone treats it as common knowledge... 😁
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what you all finally realize in the next five or ten years. 😁

Susan Gomez33 said:Can you actually explain how they isolate "those plant substances," and where this isolation happens if it isn't in a laboratory? 😕

Why are you getting so worked up? 😕
Of course it's done in a lab, but the point is where those components are coming from—whether they are pulled straight from plants or manufactured in some "magic box." 😁

Susan Gomez33 said:In the holy temple of Herbalife, equipped with every high-tech marvel like GC-MS, HPLC, and all sorts of scientific wizardry the rest of the academic world hasn't even dreamed of yet... I bet half these biologists and chemists would fall flat on their faces if they ever laid eyes on a single GC-MS machine.

Don't get hung up on a passing comment, but I'm certain that UCLA houses some of the most cutting-edge, prestigious labs of its kind in the world; you don't have to agree with me, that's your prerogative. 😉

http://www.ucla.edu/about/nobelwinners/index.html

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http://www.ucla.edu/about/nobelwinners/ignarro.html

http://www.mbcrc.med.ucla.edu/MemberBios/MmbrHeber.htm

http://www.today.ucla.edu/2004/04112...pe-doctor.html

http://www.herbalife.com/hl/template...ompany/sab.jsp

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http://cancerresources.mednet.ucla.e...0605_heber.htm

http://www.socgen.ucla.edu/nurture/speakers.htm

To all the American nutrition experts out there, you can find Dr. David Heber’s email at this next link, so feel free to grill him yourself since none of you seem inclined to take my word for anything... 😉

http://www.ora.med.ucla.edu/obesity_..._treatment.htm

And is it really such a stretch to suggest that diet might actually play a role in cancer? 😉

http://cancerresources.mednet.ucla.e...tion_heber.htm

Or perhaps...
NIH Research Project (William Aronson, John Glaspy, Dilbrit Bagga, Pinchas Cohen, David Heber)

http://www.urology.medsch.ucla.edu/p...e-projects.htm

If you're looking to actually educate yourselves, you could always attend a lecture by my former professors:

http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~scoles/meetings/future.html

http://www.imresidency.med.ucla.edu/...%20Faculty.htm
Sarah Gomez52 said:So, you got any pills you can recommend?🙂 🙂 🙂

Whatever it is you're looking for isn't going to be found in a pill bottle... 😁

PS: Don't take this little back-and-forth too personally; I've got nothing against you, but there's really no point in bashing something until you've actually looked into it—or tried it on yourself. 😉
nimbledriver81 said:Sarah Gomez52, what McProp is bringing up is just my translation of some German text. I think when they use the word "artificial" in that context, they're referring to standard multivitamin pills. He actually sent me a link that shuts down everything he’s claiming, but he can't see the distinction because his biology knowledge is basically zero.

Sarah Gomez52 is so full of herself that she can't even distinguish between what I'm saying and what was written in professional journals, which is almost impressive in its own way... 😁

Multivitamins also vary depending on whether they were created through pure "chemical tinkering" or if the vitamins were extracted from ACTUAL plants—though I’d love to believe the pharmaceutical industry gets their vitamins from nature, some people I know who work in big pharma tell me a much different story... and I maintain that the vitamin compresses I'm talking about are 100% natural in origin!!! 🙂

"Are natural vitamins better?
What matters most is how balanced the mixture is and its bioavailability.
Hallelujah! And you get all that just by eating fruit and vegetables."

Yeah, sure, like the produce you pick up at the local farmer's market still has even 30% of the vitamins it used to have... check again (if you don't understand German, just ask nimbledriver81 to translate for you)... 😁 :

)http://www.wolframkober.de/Interesse...htvitamine.htm

http://www.nahrungsergaenzung.de/dow..._1986_2002.pdf

Sarah Gomez52 said:To each their own, right? It’s all about the vitamin itself! And it's the EXACT same thing, whether it's isolated from a plant or synthesized in a lab.

Haha, they might look the same and have the same structure, but they DON'T act the same... and you aren't going to convince me otherwise with that logic.🙂

Sarah Gomez52 said:if you isolate it from a plant and put it in Mistybear4 tablets, then there's NOTHING else there except that single vitamin—there's NO help from the other substances found in the plant!!! GET IT???
If you eat fruit or vegetables, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!

You're a real piece of work; who says you only isolate one vitamin for a compress rather than including those "plant substances" too?
The people extracting them from plants actually have that option, while those in a lab synthesizing them artificially can only dream of it... 🙂 😉>

Sarah Gomez52 said:but mistybear4 isn't actually selling produce; they're peddling vitamins isolated from plants, though I suspect the real side effect is the way they seem to rinse your brain clean.
maybe that just makes it easier for the body to absorb the stuff.


it honestly looks like your brain was scrubbed clean by heavy chemicals a long time ago, and I genuinely feel for you since those neurons don't exactly regenerate—they just die off. 😁

ps: "Imagination is like a parachute—it doesn't work unless it's open." - Albert Einstein
(from what I can tell, yours is still packed tightly in the backpack. 😁
Sarah Gomez52 said:You don't just glance at vitamin similarities under a microscope or eyeball them to act superior—you look at their molecular structure and chemical formula, which happens to be EXACTLY identical whether they’re synthetic or isolated from nature.
Besides, what does "natural" versus "artificial" actually mean? If you isolate them and line them up side-by-side, not even God could tell the difference, let alone you.

Sure, talking about molecular structures and formulas is just a more technical way of saying the same thing, but the real issue lies elsewhere... specifically in how they actually function in the body, a distinction you seem to be missing. 😉

http://www.wolframkober.de/Interesse...htvitamine.htm

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Are natural vitamins better?
The key is primarily the balance of the blend and high bioavailability, which tends to be near zero when dealing with synthetic
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Are natural vitamins better?
The most important factors are a balanced mixture and high bioavailability. With synthetic (multi) vitamins, bioavailability leans toward zero.

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Nutrients are best absorbed when they are "built into" plant matter. Apparently, the physical state (colloidal) plays a major role. Additionally, the provitamins always present in plants have a positive effect on nutrient absorption.

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Nutrients are absorbed most effectively when they are "integrated" into plant parts. In this process, the physical state (colloidal) plays a significant role. Furthermore, the provitamins naturally found in plants have a beneficial impact on nutrient uptake.

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Yeah, when the metabolism starts acting nonsensical like that, we're looking at actual metabolic dysfunction—whether it's gaining weight despite eating like a bird or losing weight while consuming a massive amount of calories.
So, your precious little equation remains intact, but the human element, with all its unique biological quirks, is what determines the final outcome.
It’s entirely possible to eat small, healthy portions and still see the scale creep up.
Or the other way around.
But that doesn't mean—and this is where people usually get it wrong—that you should just start eating junk food.

On the contrary, you need to eat nutritiously (though "nutritious" is a moving target, so here's some more context😁 ) because eventually, the bill comes due, regardless of when that deadline hits or how much it costs you personally.
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This is exactly why I keep trying to hammer home the concept of cellular nutrition on this forum...

The core idea behind cellular nutrition—feeding the body at a cellular level—is the daily intake of ALL essential nutrients. That's the only way the body can truly regulate itself; in layman's terms, it picks what it desperately needs and simply discards the excess, provided we've already supplied the basics through real food...

The issue is that modern medicine and the big pharmaceutical companies don't have the answers yet. Even when they identify a deficiency, like iron or calcium, they haven't quite mastered how the body actually absorbs and utilizes those elements effectively. You see it all the time: people popping iron and calcium supplements left and right, yet their lab results remain terrible... or only marginally better...

It turns out the real secret lies in the ratios, because certain vitamins and minerals function best when they arrive together as a package deal...
That's the response to the chemists who claim synthetic vitamins are identical to natural ones under a microscope; they look the same, but they lack the potency because nature always delivers them alongside specific co-factors. It's that ratio that holds the key... and honestly, who knows the full truth? There are researchers out there spending twenty-five years just trying to crack that one code... 😎 😁

So, during the weight loss process—which is inherently a shock to the system—it is vital to ensure adequate nutrient intake so you don't end up damaging your body. We see it constantly: fad diets leaving people with long-term health issues and wrecked metabolisms... 😢

Ultimately, you have to treat every person as an individual. Everyone has different needs and existing deficiencies resulting from years of uneven nutrition, since no two Americans have eaten the exact same diet over the same period of time... 😉 ...and the results follow suit. Some people see progress quickly, others slowly, but anyone can reach their goal if they stay consistent and stop expecting miracles overnight... 🙂