Posts by mistybear4

rustymoose54 said:Whatever, everyone talks about money, let's be real.

But what about sacrificing oneself for the sake of science? 😁

Science can handle that, though I suppose those who don't believe in it should probably foot the bill... 😉

Maybe I'll just shoot a documentary about it one day, something like "The Super Healthy Me." 😁

rustymoose54 said:Have you actually tested that on yourself yet? 😉

I haven't really bothered since I have a bit of a habit of just swallowing everything whole, though if enough decent people managed to congregate at a local sportsbook, I suppose we could try to strike a deal... 😉 😁

There isn’t a single food on this planet that actually packs everything the human body requires to function... 😢

but I’d bet my life that I’d stay perfectly healthy if I just lived off a single daily meal replacement shake. 🙂

mistybear4 said:It’s pretty obvious you don’t have much of a grasp on nutrition or how the body actually works. That chart you're obsessing over just lists what's typically found in certain foods, but those levels are steadily dropping because of environmental pollution, industrial farming, and poor storage methods. If you actually pick your food carefully, you can still hit your daily requirements, but you didn't bother to show us the actual nutritional guidelines you're using.

you're just brilliant... 😁 👍

My point was simply that back in the day, one apple might have done the trick, whereas today you'd probably need five to get the same amount of vitamins—I'm exaggerating, obviously—so go ahead and run the math on what you actually need to consume to stay healthy. 😉

Since you clearly have all the answers, why don't you enlighten the rest of us by listing out exactly what our daily recommended intake for every vitamin and mineral should be? 🙂

"Those amounts are getting smaller and smaller due to pollution, production methods, storage, and so on."

thank god... 🙏 .. you finally caught on. 👍

nimbleskipper13 said:I honestly think everyone here is stuck in a massive delusion. I have a friend who works as a food tech specialist for a local FDA inspectorate, overseeing everything from standard bakeries to those places selling so-called "whole grain" bread and other marketing nonsense—you know, the stuff labeled with "bran" or "extra fiber"—just so you realize how many additives and chemicals are actually packed into what we call healthy food...
The real question is: WHAT IS HEALTHY FOOD AND WHERE DO YOU EVEN FIND IT?
For instance, I grow tomatoes on my balcony every year because the plant itself releases a substance that naturally repels mosquitoes (it’s a proven effect), but do you really believe those tomatoes are truly healthy just because I don't use chemical growth stimulants, considering they're growing right in the middle of downtown?
What about all the various toxins and heavy metals in the air, the water, and the soil?
Do you really think you can neutralize all that just by avoiding white bread?
Every single breath pulls toxins into your system...
How are we supposed to avoid them? Move to a mountain peak?
Stop breathing? 😈

People have already talked about the scandals where bakers add certain additives to white flour just to change the color so they can sell it as whole grain... 😁
You walk into a discount grocery store and see an entire aisle labeled "healthy food," which makes you wonder what kind of junk the rest of it is. 😁

"Every single breath pulls toxins into your system... How are we supposed to avoid them? Move to a mountain peak?"

We can't prevent everything, but we can mitigate some of the damage. They say we ingest about 6 or 7 pounds of pure toxins a year—smokers even more (I'm saying "they say" just so nobody starts picking at me to prove it... 🙂 )
Between the air, the water, and our food, we are constantly taking in toxins and free radicals that attack our cells. If we consume enough antioxidants through our diet to stop those free radicals from "destroying" our cells, then we've found a partial solution—getting enough antioxidants... 🙂

maristella69 said:It’s not that you lack knowledge, rustymoose54, it’s just that you don't know how to shape it into something useful for people instead of just for books.
Reading your posts, I honestly can't tell if you're talking about enzymes or a Ferrari on the highway.
A collection of parts doesn't make a whole. There’s synergy in everything, including knowledge, isn't there?
But, I believe that one day you'll come down from your ivory tower and blush like an apple when you realize the power of a real, heartfelt conversation—one where you actually open yourself up to knowledge and experience.
And why are you so ashamed of your profession? Not everyone can be a doctor!🙂

Knowledge that you can't apply in practice isn't worth much, is it? .. 😉

Maybe you two would actually complement each other quite well... 👍 🙂

northernfalcon30 said:Instead of all this academic rambling from doctors, why don't we just get a straight answer? Is it actually better to go for the whole grain rice, whole wheat pasta, or those multi-grain cereals, or does the color of the food really not matter at this point, especially since looking at this thread, it feels like even God has lost track of what's actually healthy anymore?🙄

The white death: white sugar, white flour, white salt, white lard—what else belongs on that list?🤔

cocaine and heroin.. 😁 😁 😁

Well, we finally tracked down the data source I mentioned at the start, so I'm curious to hear what you all think now. Do you honestly believe that the fruits and vegetables you eat during your day actually provide all the vitamins and minerals your body needs to function?

alexxx said:A friend of my brother’s had to get knee surgery because her cartilage was basically worn down to nothing—I don't know the medical specifics, she’s an athlete, you know how it goes—and she eats meat like there's no tomorrow. Then there was this girl I went to elementary school with who couldn't even participate in gym class because her joints were shot and lacked lubrication or whatever, and she was eating plenty of meat too.

The thing is, when you eat meat, you're mostly getting saturated fats, which aren't exactly helping anyone, whereas those Omega-3s—those unsaturated fatty acids—come from things like fish or flaxseed oil, and that stuff is actually vital for keeping your joints lubricated and healthy, among other things...

Athletes really need to be mindful of that balance, especially since their joints are constantly taking a beating. 🙂

The whole point is ensuring you actually get enough Omega-3 into your system, and at the end of the day, it’s just a matter of whether you choose to act on that or not... and look, don't worry, you'll survive without taking any supplements, but when you eventually hit old age, you'll be as senile as my grandmother was, assuming you even make it that far. 😁

rustymoose54 said:unsaturated fatty acids.

fats are a different category entirely 😉

Yeah, you're right, unsaturated fatty acids... 🙏

I think I'll go step outside for some air now. 😁

rustymoose54 said:Every single amino acid has a peptide bond involving a carbonyl group—that's oxygen double-bonded to an sp2 carbon—which makes them all technically "unsaturated." Besides, omega-3s aren't amino acids at all, so you clearly just skimmed the surface there. We're talking about fatty acids.

You’re right, I’m losing my edge because I’m trying to juggle five different projects on my monitor at once; omega-3s are unsaturated FATTY acids, something I’ve pointed out a thousand times already, but somehow I typed amino acids this time... I know the science, it’s just this constant exhaustion and the jet lag from jumping time zones that's throwing me off my game. 😁

🙏

nimbledriver81 said:I hate to be the one to say it, but that doesn't count as an actual reference. A real citation needs authors, the paper title, the year, and the journal name.

Look, I get that it isn't a formal citation, but we have a solid trail leading back to where this was documented, so if anyone manages to dig up the primary source, just let us know..

For me, this is enough to prove I’m not just spinning yarns out of thin air; all the breadcrumbs I find point toward the reality of how depleted our food supply has become, and it’s clearly something that's been scientifically proven somewhere, even if it isn't common knowledge yet. 🙂

Hannah Rogers93 said:I don't just eyeball it; I take that powder every single time right after my workout!!

Well, that's still basically "eyeballing it"... 😉

Since you aren't getting enough protein through your regular meals—you know, things like chicken, eggs, or tofu—just relying on a shake after the gym isn't going to cut it, which is really the whole point here... 🙂

PS: How tall are you and what do you weigh? I can run the numbers for you to figure out the absolute minimum daily protein intake you actually need... 🙂

nimbledriver81 said:Chemically speaking, there isn't a shred of difference between "natural" and "synthetic" vitamins. I thought we moved past this debate years ago. 🙄 Those labels really just describe how they're sourced—either pulled from actual produce or cooked up in a lab to make a pill. The real kicker is that whole piece of fruit comes with a whole entourage of other nutrients that actually help your body absorb the good stuff.

Sure, they might look identical on a molecular level, but the real test is whether they actually do anything once they hit your system... and if they don't, then the whole expensive charade of manufacturing "synthetic" versions starts looking pretty pointless, wouldn't you agree?

nimbledriver81 said:You’ve dropped four different links for the exact same table, all pulled from daily newspapers. If you can't pin down the actual reference—if the study was even officially published to begin with—just admit you don't have the right source.

Quelle: 1996. Pfizer, FDA / Mayo Clinic

But there's an actual source cited here, so you can see we're trying to track down the original document... 🙂

mistybear4 said:thanks, this breakdown regarding synthetic vitamins is actually pretty crucial for me.. 🙂
it really backs up that whole idea that "synthetic stuff just doesn't pack the same punch as the natural version".. 👍

ps: if you're interested in Dr. Louis Ignarro’s book (No More Heart Disease), I can lend it to you—it's in English, so I'm still wrestling with it myself.. 🙂

nimbledriver81 said:Are natural vitamins actually better?
Balance and bioavailability are key, and when it comes to those synthetic multivitamins you see on drugstore shelves, they pretty much fall short.

Nutrients are absorbed most effectively when they are "built into" plant structures. The physical state—the colloid—plays a massive role here. Additionally, provitamins always present in plants (precursors) have a positive influence on the usability (absorption) of nutrients.

The rest of this page is just a breakdown of various vitamins and minerals and how they function in your metabolism.

Thanks, this breakdown regarding synthetic vitamins is actually pretty important to me... 🙂
it backs up the whole idea that "artificial stuff just doesn't pack the same punch as the natural version." 👍

http://www.nahrungsergaenzung.de/dow..._1986_2002.pdf

http://home.hccnet.nl/henk.dewit/ver..._onderzoek.htm

http://www.perfektegesundheit.de/cms...t.php?idcat=28

http://www.canadian-vitamins.com/themenspecial/was.html

👋

nimbledriver81 said:Ahem. It could just be anything from San Francisco to a local Food Testing Lab—though it’s probably just some quality control facility, much like the ones they have over at Pfizer in Chicago. But without an actual name or a direct link to us, it doesn't really get us anywhere.

you're right, that's exactly it, an American public health institute...
found it, thanks... 👍

http://www.wolframkober.de/Interesse...htvitamine.htm

now we just need someone who actually speaks German to sit down and translate this whole mess for us... anyone here up for the task? 🙂 :klap: 😉

Hannah Rogers93 said:Look, if I want my quads to actually get stronger, I need to be eating meat
or taking supplements. Once those muscles are strong enough,
the pressure won't just be hitting my knee anymore—that’s the whole idea.

You're missing part of the picture; it's really both, strengthening the muscle while also nourishing the joint itself with things like omega-3 fatty acids. 🙂

That "vege fuel" stuff seems fine on paper—it's mostly soy proteins, which you definitely need if you aren't eating meat—but I'd honestly suggest talking to a sports medicine specialist before committing to it. There are other options out there:

http://www.agram89.com/?tgb=sportske_ozljede

Also, don't just eyeball your daily protein intake; you should probably get a professional opinion on exactly how much your body needs. 😉