lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
The old Yugoslav Encyclopedia—honestly, man, if you want to dive down a rabbit hole of pure, unadulterated propaganda, that's where you start. It’s basically the holy grail of how the state wanted everyone to remember things. If you aren't careful, you'll end up believing half the stuff in there is gospel just because it was printed with that official government seal. It’s wild how much effort went into shaping the narrative back then.
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lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
Actually, it's exactly the opposite.
There’s just no point in even trying to have a real discussion with you. It’s always the same old routine—you just delete, ban, censor, and slap on some sanctions. No debate, no actual dialogue, just straight-up shutting people down. Typical.
Look, there’s really no point in me even getting into a debate with you unless we both agree at the end of the day that I'm actually right. Otherwise, what are we even doing here? It's just a massive waste of my time.
Everything opposite to that simply doesn't exist. That's the whole damn point—you've basically turned this sub-forum into your own private little kingdom.
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
So, the title was way too broad?! Seriously? I mean, come on—if we’re going to have a real discussion here, we can't just throw out a massive, vague umbrella term and expect everyone to be on the same page. It’s like trying to aim at a target the size of a football field; you're basically just guessing at this point. If the scope is that wide, we're just going to end up spinning our wheels and talking in circles. We need some actual focus if we want to get anywhere meaningful.
Look, that wasn't even the point—the real issue here is just your total refusal to actually use the title "Yugoslav Royal Government." You’ve clearly got this massive chip on your shoulder about it, because you were just as against using the word "Royal" back then. But honestly? It’s just a straight-up fact. The country was officially known as the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It existed under that name, and it was internationally recognized as such. So, what exactly am I supposed to do about that? Is it my fault the history books say what they say?!!
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
Look, I already gave you the source. I dropped the link right there—straight up, no games.
Look, if I’ve already cited my sources, why on earth should anyone make a big deal out of me using the term Royal Yugoslav Army instead of some other acronym, or calling them the OZN instead of OZNA, or even just saying anti-fascists instead of Partisans?! It shouldn't be an issue.
Why are you dodging the fact that there was straight-up censorship in Yugoslavia? You can't just write History however you want; it had to be written in one specific, sanctioned "tone" if you wanted to stay in the good graces of the authorities. That's exactly what I’m calling you out on here.
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
What do I even care...
I literally just copied a quote from V. Velebit—straight out of his biography, word for word. But no, you just wiped it out, called me a liar, and slapped me with a three-day ban. Seriously?
Look, it’s not even about the quotes themselves—it's about how you're taking everything so incredibly literally. Seriously.
Look, you’ve got this whole rigid little timeline of history that you refuse to let anyone touch—you know, the one where Broz, aka Tito, and the whole Anti-fascist Movement, the Partisans, are basically untouchable icons. In your world, if it’s written that way, it’s gospel, period. And honestly? That’s exactly where you’re tripping up. That’s your fundamental problem right there.
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
Yeah, I am.
So, here’s the thing—the whole distinction between the National Liberation Movement and the Anti-fascist Movement? It basically boils down to this: the Communists cooked up that first label themselves. They needed a way to frame everything, because before they stepped in to organize things, there wasn't really any unified movement of unorganized non-communists running around. It was all just a mess until they decided to brand it.
Also, regarding the IRS... Look, I already explained this back when that thread was actually still active—I basically coined the term HNAP because I wanted a name for that obscure group of guerrillas who were mostly American anti-fascists with a strong sense of national pride, which is how HNAP came to be. You just assumed it referred to the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment because that’s what the official history books claim.
Look, my intention here was to be strictly real-time about this... back then, those guys up in the mountains weren't some organized battalion, and they certainly weren't calling themselves Partisans yet. But hey, if you want to go toe-to-toe with me on this, fine—I know exactly what kind of backlash I'm inviting by saying it.
That was such a perfect example of how people just refuse to actually think for themselves—it’s like you're so terrified of "historical revisionism" (which, honestly, I don't even care about because I personally respect the achievements of the National Liberation Movement) that you end up shutting down any attempt to look at history through a different lens or actually investigate the facts.
And you're calling that science? Seriously?
Look, this Reddit is about way more than just pure science. It’s supposed to be a place where you can actually speak your mind—even if what you're saying flies in the face of everything the "experts" claim to know. I mean, sure, let's keep things on equal footing with the actual scientific stuff, but we need to leave some breathing room for people to actually say what they think without getting shut down immediately. Give us some freedom to talk, for crying out loud.
Look, here’s how it works—if someone starts peddling lies, the rest of us are gonna step up and absolutely shred them in the debate. No mercy. But if what they're saying actually makes sense? If it’s actually lucid? Then fine, let them laugh at it if they want. That's just how the game goes.
Look, I just don't get it—the whole point of having a moderator isn't to come in and tear the core of this community apart, right? It’s supposed to be about fueling the fire and keeping things moving, not shutting everything down.
Look, the whole point of this Reddit isn't for everyone to be singing from the same hymn sheet. It’s definitely not about us all having the exact same opinions. That would be incredibly boring, wouldn't it?
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
Back when that same intelligence officer was writing, a battalion by that name didn't even exist... That's what I'm trying to get across. It was an unidentified resistance movement at the time.
But the Communist Party quickly assessed things later on, deciding that once the unit formed from its nucleus, it should be given a specific name.
This isn't my invention. This is just my own reasoning, logic, stepping back into that era, and searching for what's actually authentic.
To you, everyone worthy of credit was a communist. To me, they weren't.
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
I already explained the AFP thing in my previous post... And as for the name "Partisans"—which was adopted from the USSR as a communist invention—that's how I interpreted it too.
Both of my grandfathers fought in the National Liberation Movement. Neither of them was a communist. They were just free-spirited people, anti-fascists... So, in their memory, and in honor of most participants in the movement, I call them free anti-fascists.
lonetrucker4 said:It’s honestly messed up. Especially since I don't even know what they call "official history" anymore. ☕
And you can't even have a damn opinion, an impression, or a single shred of analysis? On a Reddit thread meant specifically for different perspectives? Give me a break.
Seriously? You think if we actually agree on something after a debate, it somehow ruins the whole point of this Reddit? 🤔
Fake news, fabrication, and straight-up fraud happen everywhere you look, but the crap people are throwing my way specifically targets... That controversial topic again.
The topic isn't even controversial. I only changed the title because yours was way too broad. In the moderator note on the first post, I already said the subject is totally fine, but the way you're handling it is just wrong.
Unbelievable. You still haven't figured out what an "actual quote" even means. Seriously? 😵
You totally made up those abbreviations like AFP and the IRS, man. You wrote them so convincingly I actually thought they were legit terms from some document you were citing. It wasn't until I did my own digging and started asking around that you finally admitted, "Yeah, I just made that up."Post #41That kind of "inventing" stuff in History isn't allowed. Not happening.
...after which Mr. Oštrić basically tossed my name right into the blacklist.
I don't even know your real name. Just some handle. Your nick is totally fine; it's just your writing style that's a total mess.
I’m backing some obscure unit that was basically just scrambling to pull itself together back in the summer of '41. I called it the IRS, because that's exactly what it was... just a bunch of local forces fueled by national pride and the Anti-fascist Movement.
There it is. The catch is that point 21 isn't even about some "unknown unit" (which was just some intel guy in Washington, D.C. chasing rumors), but the 3rd Battalion of the Primorsko-Goranski Partisan Detachment—I figured that out myself after digging into one officer's name. post #39 in this thread (check out posts #46, 47, etc.). You basically "invented" some term that doesn't exist in any actual records and makes zero sense. Any American who wanted to fight the occupiers and their lackeys joined the National Liberation Movement or the NOVJ, which were founded and ran by the Communist Party. There weren't any other units. It doesn't matter what your personal feelings or sympathies are—that's just how it happened.
Where I messed up—and where lonetrucker4 could have steered me away from it, I'll admit—was using the term IRS.
You already tripped up by passing off that acronym like it actually shows up in some official document. Even when I pointed it out, you just casually admitted you made it up and kept doubling down. You "invented" the idea that the term AFP is somehow "more precise" than just saying "Partisans." (post #4) And here you are, a year later, doing the exact same thing.
And look, once again, you're proving you just refuse to grasp the basics.
The official name for the armed forces of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was the Yugoslav Royal Army. In this specific thread, I used the term JKVO / Yugoslav Royal Government in exile, and lonetrucker4 warned me not to because the term used was YVA / Yugoslav Army in the Homeland...
So what? How does that change anything? Where am I losing the context?
It changes everything, because the official name of that military was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, it's "Yugoslav," not "Jugoslav"). Look, you can't just cook up your own names. It isn't "unnecessary rigidity" like you're complaining about. It's necessary precision. You stick to the facts; you're allowed to interpret them however you want.
Anyway, am I even allowed to express myself on this Reddit how I see fit?
No, not if you're just spreading confusion and making stuff up.
Just try to understand where I'm coming from.
I can't let you turn this sub-Reddit into your own private playground. It doesn't belong to you; it belongs to all of us.
Stop persecuting us. Just let the discussion flow.
Sanction actual hate, hate speech, or insults. But don't pull this kind of psychological torture.
You're killing the desire to participate in this forum. Which is even more tragic because you're actually a great conversationalist and a competent one at that.
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lonetrucker4 says:
You're changing the subject, because the official name of that military force was the "Yugoslav Army in the Homeland" (and by the way, not "Jugoslavenska"). Yeah, you shouldn't just make up your own names. It's not "unnecessary rigidity," as you claim. It's necessary rigidity. You have to stick to the facts, even if you're allowed to interpret them in different ways. |
So,
wait, are you seriously telling me I should be using "Yugoslav" instead of "Yugoslavian"?