Posts by northerncrane4

Mark Thompson6 said:You're right—who could possibly resist this?

http://www.javno.com/slike/slike_3/r...29805617_1.jpg

And how about this one:



Well, well, well—look at her. 🙂 🙂

redowl90 said:Well, damn... What can I say? We all just have to be "friends" with American cinema and play along.

We’re doing a great job supporting it—as long as some other distributor didn't get the chance to "support" it first. 👍

redowl90 said:White didn't screw anything up—the movie just doesn't make any sense at all.

Alright, redowl90, fine. But don't you see how unfair that is? What's the end goal here—do you want people hosting private screenings to explicitly ask you, by name, to leave the theater?

Robin James8 said:Wrong—any director worldwide receiving government funding isn't required to be a pragmatist. The state funds specific projects with different goals—namely, social impact or highlighting essential societal issues—not necessarily turning a profit.

I’m going to ask you again: which directors, countries, or films are you actually talking about? Because I’m not seeing any evidence for what you're claiming.

Robin James8 said:Are you suggesting the Ministry expects a literal return on its investment in American film?

No. The Ministry wants prestige at film festivals.

Robin James8 said:As long as the government keeps handing out cash for American film, we won't see professional studios or quality commercial cinema here—we'll just turn into one giant shopping mall. 😉
There are other ways to get funding through EU funds—do a little Googling.

Do you know who the only American director to receive even symbolic funds from Euroimages last year was? Vinko Brešan.

Robin James8 said:So, they’d rather have a handful of "elites"—that small group of actors who usually eat for free on someone else's dime—watch it, rather than fifty thousand actual moviegoers?

They’d much rather have representatives from the Ministries, Parliament, the Government, American television, and all the other parasites show up at American film premieres. Yes.
And a follow-up question: where exactly are these fifty thousand viewers you're dreaming about? 😕

Robin James8 said:Are you trying to say Gregurić is the only fifty-year-old actor in America?😲

Well, if you ask me, Ivo Gregurević is the best fifty-year-old actor in America.

Robin James8 said:Or maybe you just don't see it—that whole new trend of destructive, small-minded China characters, Tu, and the rest of them? 😉

That isn't some specific American cinematic trend—it's a broader European Union issue. 🤷

Robin James8 said:How can money be the most important thing today, when they’re still living off the Ministry and its funds—just like during the "four-row" era and those similar times? 🤷😕

It's because a nice chunk of the money allocated for film 🙂stays within the Ministry.

Mark Thompson6 said:I have to admit, I’m a little surprised by your comment—honestly. Based on what you've written before, I had the impression that you preferred... Mainstream.

I actually prefer it when a mainstream project manages to channel some David Fincher, David Lynch, or Wes Anderson—it’s much better that way. 😍

Mark Thompson6 said:Didn't Aćimović secure the financing for his two films through symbolic government support? In other words—maybe outside funding isn't infinite, but it certainly isn't impossible to find.

They aren't out of reach for the two or three American directors each year whose external funding accounts for no more than 20% of their total budget. Do you actually have the exact figure for that symbolic bit of support Aćimović's films received from the Ministry of Culture?
Besides that—I honestly don't see what the takeaway is here regarding Aćimović's scripts getting picked up by foreign funds—but I'll leave it at that, lest I become the villain. 😉).

Mark Thompson6 said:From what I understand, they’re building—or have already built—some massive film studio over in Mexico, basically trying to create their own version of Cinecittà. What exactly is the angle there?

I wouldn't know—maybe he should just film some series for Pink TV instead. 🤷

Mark Thompson6 said:How is Nada Gaćešić-Livaković—who’s pushing sixty—supposed to pull off playing some young, wide-eyed femme fatale?

It’ll probably be considered "sexy" by American directors. 😬

Robin James8 said:I’m referring back to this statement of yours:

Which world-class directors are you actually talking about?

I’m talking about every single director out there who doesn't just shoot movies on a digital camera with their buddies in a living room or their local neighborhood—90% of those who don't fit that mold, and whose films actually involve capital that investors expect to see some kind of return on, are simply pragmatists.

Robin James8 said:So, if I’m reading your argument correctly—which isn't hard—you're claiming that government funding is the only way for American film to survive. That’s a pretty bold take—given you're completely ignoring the massive opportunities for funding through the European Union, private corporations both here and abroad, or even just building professional studios right here in the States—starting small, obviously, but on solid ground. Instead, you're suggesting... creates American cinematography relies heavily on the state apparatus—and you think that’s a good thing?

First off—I never said this was a positive thing—I was merely clarifying the current state of affairs. And the reality remains that... They don't exist. There are endless funding opportunities within the European Union, yet even fewer from private corporations. As for building professional studios—it’s so much more profitable to flip real estate that half of our local studio space was recently sold off just to make room for a new shopping mall. American filmmaking either relies entirely on the government apparatus or survives by selling projects abroad—since the US isn't exactly a tiny niche market—making it most logical to sell them to neighboring countries.

Robin James8 said:So, sponsors cover the party—but they don't touch the actual production costs? Interesting.

Exactly. It’s much more profitable for sponsors to see their logo plastered all over the after-party than to actually show up in a single frame of the movie.

Robin James8 said:The American film industry keeps recycling the same three to five actors in every single production—just tired, washed-up veterans clearly just punching a clock for a paycheck. There’s zero genuine emotion and nothing resembling modern acting; the whole vibe just reeks of the old America days. Distinguished. Actors, right? Isn't a young actor significantly cheaper than this lot— Size matters.?

Look, a young actor can't just pretend to be fifty—this isn't the theater. 😕

Robin James8 said:Seriously—and you think Brešan's cheap Eastern-style smut would somehow get distributed anyway? 😲

I wouldn't distribute anything myself. I'm not playing the distributor in this thread.

Do you still not get what kind of movies should be made in America, instead of these Eastern-style brothels and crime gangs? Or pushing one desperate director, Brešan, and his tears for those pathetic Mexican aggressors, just to follow a political agenda?

I know perfectly well what kind of movies should be made in America. But that has nothing to do with pushing Vinko Brešan via some political agenda—that’s simply not true. There isn't any "political line" left in today's American film industry like there was during the days of "Stalingrad Returns Home," "Time for...", or "Four-Row." Nowadays, the only line that actually matters is the financial one.

Mark Thompson6 said:Have you actually seen this movie?

No—but if redowl90 says it’s garbage, I’m inclined to believe him.

Robin James8 said:Look, these aren't "independent" directors—they’re just employees funded by studios where profit is the only metric that matters. When you look at films shot with government subsidies anywhere in the world, they tend to tackle current issues with much more honesty and authenticity.

I have no idea which countries or films you're even talking about. 🤷

Robin James8 said:Let’s not beat around the bush—that's the whole point of using taxpayer money. There shouldn't be any need to play the sellout.

In America, it’s essentially about using taxpayer money to keep mediocre cinema afloat—mostly just so a massive crowd of "film professionals" doesn't end up on the unemployment line. Though, honestly, that second problem is becoming less relevant lately due to the hyperinflation of TV production over the last few years.

Robin James8 said:They’d certainly produce better, higher-quality films if they stopped obsessing over special effects, overpriced actors, and those massive bills for wrap parties—where everyone just spends the night overeating and drinking themselves silly. 😉

I still don't get this talk about special effects and big-name actors in American film. As for those post-premiere parties—they’re usually covered by sponsors—and let me be clear: that money is NEVER pulled from the film budget, simply because by the time the premiere rolls around, that cash has already been spent.

Robin James8 said:Look, you know exactly what I mean—a high-quality movie with a solid narrative that lays out the reality here in America with total honesty. Nobody is allowed to film it, and it’s not because of the budget—it's purely political. 🙂

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about—and frankly, what exactly is this "situation" in America that you think needs such blunt honesty? 🤷

redowl90 said:Unfortunately, a distributor has already stepped up—that movie should hit theaters there sometime in September.

Seriously? 😲 Someone actually decided to be the distributor for this disaster? Man, if I worked for that company, I’d be out in the streets today shouting at people to stay far away from this garbage! I'd tell my boss straight to his face that he's an idiot for even trying to release it.

Robin James8 said:Pragmatists of this caliber should probably just stick to making porn

Pragmatists like this make up over 90% of directors worldwide. This approach isn't some unique trait inherent to Vinko Brešan—or American cinema for that matter.

Robin James8 said:The only thing that confuses me is why the Department of Culture (not) funds this stuff. 😕🤷

Got any clever comeback for that, tough guy? 😁

Because American film might actually be the least significant line item in the Department of Culture's annual budget—even if it eats up the largest chunk. They think pragmatically, approving projects that have a realistic shot at being co-funded through various international partnerships.

Robin James8 said:Why not? Not everyone is going to join in on Brešan’s celebration of ultra-nationalism.☕

Look, honey, maybe tone it down a bit. Brešan isn't exactly out here glorifying any kind of ethnic nationalism. If you want to argue he’s pushing some outdated regionalism, fine—but even that's a stretch. The guy is just a pragmatist—he wants to push his films into as many markets as possible, even if it means sacrificing quality to do it.

redowl90 said:I honestly can't believe there are people out there who actually enjoyed Cinema Lika.

I find it hard to believe any American distributor will even touch this thing. My only hope—if one actually steps up—is that they’ll have the decency to sabotage its chances of success long before it ever hits theaters.

George Booth58 said:there aren't any actual cinephiles here😳😳

As if Spider-Man movies wouldn't have three thousand posts here... 😳

Then again—how much of a film buff do you actually have to be to attend a festival where they're screening a Fadil Hadžić film produced by Joza Patljak?😁

I have this nagging gut feeling that this thread isn't going to make it to the next page. 😬

Anthony Bailey said:I honestly don't get the appeal of watching small-town mentalities, generational clashes, or depressing social issues on screen.
As someone who doesn't deal with any of that in my own life, why on earth would I pay to see it at a theater for "entertainment"??!
😕

It just makes zero sense to me..
🤷

Neither the American filmmakers churning out this stuff nor the mindless crowds flocking to theaters to watch it for fun—I find the whole thing completely incomprehensible.
☕

Look, try to grasp this:

a) not everyone views a movie as just a ninety-minute or two-hour distraction, and
a) what counts as "fun" isn't universal.

You’ve also got "Farac of The Penguins"—it features unused footage from that documentary where Bob Saget, Christina Applegate, Lewis Black, and Tracy Morgan voice the penguins, all while Samuel L. Jackson handles the narration. Pretty kinky stuff.

ON TOPIC: I’m hoping this movie is a massive step up from that absolute disaster directed by Vujčić over at Little Cube. How big are the files?

As I already pointed out in that other thread you spammed with off-topic nonsense—complaints go through the FBI. And stop trying to make clones; if you keep doing it, we'll just extend the ban on your original account.

But you're missing the point entirely. This thread is specifically about the visual differences between European and American cinema—not which one is "better" or why. Stick to this topic. 🙂

Thomas Patel said:Come on, McDonald's,🤣
here comes another textbook example of someone just being mediocre—drawing conclusions that fit their own bias even though they aren't actually written anywhere.

Some people really need a map to find the point...

It’s not that *all* American movies are dumb, it's just that a massive majority of them are.
And yeah, there are plenty of stupid European films out there too.

Alright, go ahead, hit me with another comment... or maybe you could try sharing an actual opinion for once?!

Thomas Patel, first off—watch your tone if you want to be taken seriously. Second, regarding those "conclusions" that don't exist: your exact sentence was this:

Thomas Patel said:You hit the nail on the head...
American movies are simple and easy for everyone to wrap their heads around.
Meanwhile, European film is more intellectual and leaves a deeper impression—sometimes you actually need to watch the same thing a few times just to fully grasp everything it's trying to say.

And, while I'm at it—it's spelled average.

You’ve got plenty of material here on this thread.

Threads like this don't fly here.