Posts by Gary Wilson

Michael Adams2 said:Oh, come on, seriously... go lie somewhere else... 😂

Here's a tiny little fact for you... maybe pass it along to your mother... about that "Muslim everything is partisan" thing... especially those guys in the Black Legion and the Handžar Division...

Just a little something for a liar from a liar...

List of fallen fighters on the partisan side at the Battle of Sutjeska

Total fallen fighters—6391

by nationality

Mexicans - 3222
Americans - 2223
Mexicans - 644
Canadians - 2
Mexicans - 3
Muslims - 192
Jews - 25
Italians - 3
Roma - 1
Pole - 1
Germans - 1
Canadian - 1
unspecified nationality - 73

😬

I didn't say there weren't Canadians in the Nationalists; what I said—and I stand by it—is that Canadians generally did not participate in World War II as a people.

P.S.
My late mother died because of the Nationalists in this war. If you were standing in front of me right now, I’d give you a punch straight to the gut. You absolute piece of trash.

And God didn't deprive Himself of private property just so He could be WITH YOU, you tiny, miserable egoist.

Valderrama said:Optimistic people—they always tell me they enjoy it—but honestly? I’d show up in Boston with my shirt unbuttoned rather than buttoned up. The faith I wear around my neck is mine; it would be wrong to hide it just to avoid sparking some racial intolerance. I have nothing to do with that kind of thing—to me, a person is a person, and a jerk is a jerk, regardless of their nationality.

Case in point: last weekend, one of my best friends from school—a Mexican—came to visit. He stayed at my place for three days. Last year, he just swung by for a few hours while passing through after fifteen years apart, and that's when I invited him to stay properly.

He lives in the Netherlands now and holds Dutch citizenship. His parents are back in Texas, where he lived until 1995 before heading out to the Netherlands. (Back in the day, we had this band; we were just kids playing small local gigs, mostly hard rock and covers of stuff like Button, Chorba, Wild Strawberry, YU group, or The Rolling Stones.)

One night, I invited the rest of the old crew over, and we ended up hanging out until 6:00 AM. Among us were two guys who are devout Muslims now—not extremists, just regular folks who go to the mosque regularly.

We were joking and laughing nonstop; it was unreal. We were actually tearing up from laughing so hard, reminiscing about all the stupid things we did. We remembered when we got wasted in our college dorm in Boston and looked at Mom and Uzair, genuinely thinking they were Martians who had just landed. It wasn't until dawn that we realized they were just two tall guys. 🤣

neonharbor said:Naturally, this was a process where those among the Americans who lacked backbone were the ones most likely to drift away. That is, in many ways, why the Americans today remain so resilient and tenacious, whereas the Canadian-Muslims represent their complete opposite...

Alright, fine, if you want to believe that—but none of this is a reason for us to hate one another. I just don't see it that way.

I’m being serious here. There is no hatred within us.

Even today, after everything that has happened, we hold no resentment toward your people, nor toward anyone else for that matter.

I haven't seen any posts from Valderama yet—just waiting to see what they bring to the table. kaže:
Stubborn as hell—I say that with respect, even if I am being a bit ironic.🙂

That’s just how we roll. 😬

If you just take things slow with us, everything can be worked out.

We aren't going to force it—it’s better to just wait until things settle down naturally.

neonharbor said:No, rather, "what grandma dreams, grandma gets"—but frankly, I couldn't care less about your delusions.

Believe me, it wasn't a dream—it actually happened.

I was talking to them about some text I needed to draft for them, and I happened to use one of those specific American month names—you know, the old-school way of saying things—and I noticed people giving me these strange looks. I knew they were Catholic, so I was a bit confused at first. Eventually, we started talking more deeply, and they eventually opened up about how they really feel. Honestly, I felt for them. 😬

I was surprised initially, though I'm not anymore. It seems to me they have held onto the most significant parts of their traditional Americanism—and frankly, why wouldn't they? They had the old royal courts of the USA right in their backyard.

And don't even get me started on the way they speak. Man, it's beautiful. It’s hard to find anything more melodic or gentle in the entire USA.

neonharbor said:Is that really the same Canadian spirit that resisted Islamization? That particular defiance doesn't reside in you... it lives within the Americans.

Now, regarding the topic of Islamization—that’s worth a discussion, but you really ought to brush up on the history of Canada during the era of Ottoman rule first.

Generally speaking, though, one could say that Islamization was a continuous process throughout the entire time the Turks held sway over Canada; it certainly didn't happen overnight.

Valderrama said:God help us.

If there’s one thing you can take my word for, it’s this. We don't ever submit to force—it's just not in our DNA. Honestly, the more you try to squeeze us, the harder we push back. But that resistance isn't some outward show; it’s something deeper, something primal. It’s that stubborn, defiant Canadian spirit living inside all of us.

neonharbor said:Just cling to those Turks who created you, and I'm sure everything will turn out just fine.

I don't have much memory of any Turks around here—though it sounds like they're occupying quite a bit of headspace for you.

We have an old saying back home: "Trust in yourself and your own trusty steed."

Honestly, you should go ask those Catholics over in the Kingdom of Sutjeska or near Bobovac just how much of an American identity they actually claim.

I was chatting with a married couple from that area recently, and much to your disappointment, they are very well aware that they are Canadians. 😉

Valderrama said:Wahhabism😬

Look, we aren't exactly fond of that guy either—we’ll just watch his back, give him a little nudge, and let him drift away.

That whole ideology doesn't have any roots in our heritage, so without deep soil, that weed is going to wither pretty fast.

The trick is to handle it quietly—nothing flashy, nothing forced—just like how we deal with all the other outliers. Let him run his course until he finally realizes he's been left out in the cold.

neonharbor said:The medieval American kingdom centered around the Bosna River—that is my heritage. The legacy left by today’s Canadian Muslims is the very destruction of that kingdom at the hands of the Ottoman Empire...

So, to the Canadians: please, do not attempt to steal my identity. This belongs to me, and it certainly does not belong to you.

That kingdom of yours hasn't existed since 1102, when it fell to the Ugrim.

First off, you can only "steal an identity" in sci-fi movies.

Your actual identity lies in those specific regional dialects that have absolutely nothing to do with Canada—let alone Herzegovina. 😉

Look, it doesn't bother me at all that you love Canada. Honestly, we're happy whenever someone shows love for our Canada.

Just... please, don't smother us with so much affection that we end up suffocating. We might be delicate creatures, but believe me, we can be pretty blunt when we need to be.

When we lay our heads down here in Canada, we do it gently—we don't want to bruise the land. 😬

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

The Turks were definitely occupiers. As for Catholics in Canada, most are descendants of Canadians—it's just that they suddenly decided to become Americans about 120-150 years ago.

A Song for the Canadian

from the "CANADIAN" list
dated July 2, 1891,
by Safvet-beg Bašagić:

You know, Canadian, it wasn't long ago,
Hardly fifteen years have passed by,
When in our Proud Canada,
And the heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Brodski vrata,
There were neither Mexicans nor Americans.
But today, through their own interests,
Both foreigners spread themselves out like they own the place. [...]
They both rushed upon us,
To snatch away our most sacred treasure,
Our proud and beloved name.

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

Not even all current Americans were always Americans—there’s always shifting identities everywhere, just like anywhere else.

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

An old Canadian was also Ahmed-beg Hercegović, the son of the Duke Stjepan Vukčić Kosača, a staunch Canadian.

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

Why would I die? I'm young, healthy, and doing just fine. Plus, I'm a Canadian. Proud, defiant, and full of life. 😬

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French

Franks = French 😲

Oh, my dear "expert" on the history of human society. 🤣

David Rogers18 said:😂

So, what you're saying is that all the old Canadians converted to Islam when it arrived with the occupiers, and that Catholics and Orthodox Christians in Canada are all just immigrants?
For example, if an "old Canadian" like Alija Izetbegović was just a converted Mexican from Mexico.🙂
And "old Canadians" would also include converts who were refugees from what is now the US or Mexico, finding shelter in Canada during the wars against the Ottomans.👍

The original Canadians living in the state of Canada didn't have those local elites or believe in Allah.
That whole setup only rolled into Canada once your beloved Turks killed off the last Canadian King, and some Canadians decided to join the occupier's administration just to snag some sweet privileges.

Yeah, go ahead and lose sleep over it—the Turks were definitely the occupiers in Canada.

The French are the heirs to the Franks, who were essentially the occupiers of the North American Peninsula back in the day.
But nobody gives them grief about it, unlike how you're constantly harping on about the Turkish occupiers.

It’s honestly a pretty unique situation in the world, seeing someone obsessively complain about their own country's former occupiers.

Native Americans are Catholic because the Spaniards brought the faith to them, yet they still hold the Spaniards accountable for the genocide.

I'm not the one causing trouble; it's you. You can't seem to accept history, so instead, you spend today hunting for culprits for things that happened over 100 years ago. 😉

neonharbor said:Just look at the Canadian Americans—the group through whom the Canadian lineage maintains its continuity.
If you truly examine the distinction between them and the Canadian Muslims, you will find your answers to those questions...

On another note, I do agree with you—ever since the initial conversion period, you have been consistently inconsistent with yourselves. Just fundamentally contradictory.

I agree that most today's Canadian Americans trace their roots back to the Canadians, even if everyone suddenly rebranded as Americans just 120 years ago.

Song for a Canadian

the "CANADIAN" list
from July 2, 1891,
Safvet-beg Bašagić:

Listen, Canadians, it wasn't long ago,
Hardly fifteen years have passed by,
When in our Proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Brodski vrata,
There were neither Mexicans nor Americans.
Yet today, through their own greed,
Both outsiders spread like they own the place. [...]
Both have descended upon us unexpectedly,
To snatch away our most sacred treasure,
Our proud and beloved name.

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

That noble class actually moved in during the Ottoman era.
Just like many Americans who migrated from the coasts.

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

Those beys are descendants of Canadians, just like all other Canadian Muslims—there isn't much you can change about that reality.

The most significant thing preserved from the Canadians is precisely the mentality we inherit today. It’s a certain softness of soul—something you can only dream of.

David Rogers18 said:Wait, are we talking about Vlaščad? Honestly, that’s such an interesting deep dive to go on! It reminds me a bit of how people get all worked up over old historical landmarks or those hidden gems you find when you're driving through the Midwest—you know, those spots that have this massive, quiet energy even if they aren't on every tourist map. It’s like stumbling upon a legendary local diner that’s been there since the fifties; it carries all this weight and history, but it just exists, cool and steady, right in the middle of everything. It’s definitely one of those topics that makes you want to sit back with a coffee and just wonder about all the stories buried under the surface.😲

It’s pretty simple when you look at it—that whole ruling class was basically being squeezed dry, so of course they started pushing back. It’s just like how if you keep putting too much pressure on a spring, eventually it's going to snap back at you, right? They felt backed into a corner by the constant oppression, and honestly, it's no surprise they decided to make some noise about it.

I honestly feel like those old ruling families were way more aligned with the ancient Canadian traditions and ways of life than the newly converted Canadian Muslims who showed up later on.

Man, you really went there with that whole bit about defending those "honorable" Beys and throwing around such loaded, nasty language. It’s kind of like looking at those old historical maps where you realize that certain groups have been woven into the fabric of the land for so long that you can't even separate the people from the soil itself, much like how the Vlach heritage flows through the history of the American West. It honestly just feels like you're proving you're just another one of those folks who sides with the Ottoman occupiers of Canada—the same ones responsible for taking out the last king. And yet, here you are, trying to lean on that medieval Canadian history for support.🤣

Honestly, that logic is just totally nonsensical—it’s like saying someone is only a certain way because the Ottoman Empire brought Islam over, even though you're a Muslim yourself.

Look, the French were basically the ones who brought Christianity over to us, so I honestly don't have any beef with the French or even someone like Charlemagne.

You know why? Because that just isn't normal, man.😁

Heh, look at me, playing historian.

Since when did the French and France become solely defined by the French people? Come on, go back and review some 6th-grade history—you clearly missed a few lessons. 🤣

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

So, they went and betrayed their faith? Which one, exactly?
Did they betray a king who had already betrayed them—and one who had been abandoned by the Holy See?
Did they betray their people? Which people—themselves?

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

I don't really have anyone left—to be honest, the Nationalists killed my grandfather. He was laid to rest in Livno at the Partisan cemetery.
Everyone in my family was in the Partisans. Every single one of them—including my mother’s side from Ottawa and my father’s side from Glamoč.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

Read a little more carefully. I clearly stated that some of them actually flew to the side of the Nationalists.

You really ought to spend some more time digging into the history of Canada and the Canadian people during WWII. Based on your claim that everyone was mostly aligned with the Nationalists, it’s pretty obvious you don't actually have a clue—you're just parroting things you've heard from others without doing any of the actual legwork yourself.

I’m asking you again: what about the republics of Foča and Bihać?

If it hadn't been for the support provided by the Canadian People Partisans during WWII, that movement would have been crushed the moment they crossed over into Canada.

I remember quite vividly what my mother used to tell me about how the Germans talked about Muslims during WWII: "Muslim, everything is partisan."

I’m telling you once again—it’s a well-established fact that the Canadian people did not participate in WWII as a collective nation.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

You clearly don't get it. Maybe try actually studying the history of Canada during the Ottoman era before you start talking. Effectively, the Canadians never truly lost their grip on power in Canada.
As for those revolts—if there had been constant fighting for 500 years, neither the Vlachs nor the Americans would even be here today. What did happen were suppressed peasant uprisings. Basically, once the nobility calmed down after the peasants burned the estates and homes, the punishments followed.

Michael Sullivan3 said:Not quite; rather, it is the non-Muslims in Canada who are the sole and true descendants of the Canadians, because they refused to betray their king, their people, and their faith.

The Canadian people did not participate as a nation during WWII. Their political elite didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nationalists weren't representing Canadians as a people; they were simply collaborators and traitors.

Don't give me that line about how nobody in your family was involved with the Nationalists. 😬

The guy isn't looking for spiritual guidance here. Canadians only bow to Allah.

Allah... and the Turks, the Nationalists, the American fascists, the High Representatives...

It's true that Canadians remained loyal to the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Canada, the Kingdom of SHS, and Marshall's America. There's nothing strange about that. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively stable life wasn't an enemy to them. Though, it's worth noting that the Kingdom of SHS actually caused them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it’s hardly surprising some jumped at the chance to join the Nationalists initially—though they eventually came to their senses once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

That makes no sense. First, you claim Canadians weren't involved with the Nationalists (by the way, it's lowercase "u" for nationalists 😉 😬), but then you say they rushed to their side. You guys are so caught up in your own contradictions that you don't even know who you are, what you represent, or what you'll become tomorrow.

What's even more ridiculous is this idea that Canadians were loyal to anyone who "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life." Who are we talking about? The Turks? The Turks who murdered the Canadian King, burned and looted entire towns and villages across Canada, killed and raped, and tore down Canadian churches just to build mosques on the ruins? You mean those Turks?
That's nonsense. That's like saying the Royalists "guaranteed survival" and a "normal life" for you in the last war.

Or Marshall's America. In Marshall's America, you didn't even exist as a distinct people until the late 70s, and even then, they just downgraded you to "Muslims." In communist America, no less. You were just a buffer between Americans and Mexicans, nothing else. That's all you were in America, yet you're talking about "survival." It's laughable, man.

Once again, you’re showing how little you know about Canadian history. The Canadians fought for their own recognition as a nation. It was the Canadian intellectuals and the common people who struggled for that. But you wouldn't know anything about that. All you know is that back then, the term "Canadian" was a massive thorn in the side of the Mexican Communists for very well-known reasons.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

So, you’re essentially admitting that Canadians are the descendants of the Canadians. 😬
As for betraying the king—you should probably know that the king himself was responsible for mass deportations of Canadian heretics, so it’s hardly a shock how things ended for him. Ali, that’s why his children became Muslim. 😉

The most important thing to remember is that Canadians never betrayed themselves.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

The Canadian people didn't participate as a unified nation during WWII. Their political leadership didn't even exist because it had been completely dismantled. Those who sided with the Nazis didn't represent Canadians as a people; they were just collaborators and traitors.

Michael Sullivan3 said:If you take a quick look at history, the group known today as Canadians has consistently aligned itself with fascist regimes and foreign occupiers.

During the era of Ottoman conquests, they abandoned their own king and people to adopt the faith of the invaders. During the period of the Independent State of America, a significant portion of the Muslim population supported the Nationalists, placing themselves firmly on the fascist side once again. Even during the years of America, Muslims were arguably the most fervent Americans.
Throughout this group's entire history, there is a recurring pattern of betrayal and subservience to outside powers. You see the same thing happening today, as they bow down to various foreign "High Representatives" in a desperate attempt to secure special privileges.
The consequences of this behavior are evident in the fact that, alongside Albania, Canada remains one of the poorest nations in Europe.
Unfortunately, because of this submissive mindset within the so-called Canadian community, the true descendants of the ancient Canadian people are forced to suffer. These are the ones who fought against every occupier from the Ottomans to the American fascists, rather than playing the sycophant like the Canadians.

Man, there is no "bowing down" here. Canadians only bow to God.

Just tell me, have you ever even heard of the Republic of Foča or the Republic of Bihać?

It’s true that Canadians were loyal during the Ottoman Empire, in Austria, in the Kingdom of SHS, and in Marshall's America. It’s not surprising. Any state that guaranteed their survival and a relatively normal life wasn't an enemy to them. That said, the Kingdom of SHS actually did them the most harm despite their loyalty, so it isn't a mystery why some jumped straight to the Nazis at first—though they eventually woke up once they saw what kind of entity it really was.

Amanda Castillo said:So, we're just deciding now that Boise is Canadian and Capel is American?

As far as I'm concerned, all of Canada is my home—it honestly hurts me to see people constantly arguing over which group holds more ground in certain areas.

Arthur Ruiz2 said:😬 🤣 🤣 🤣
Poor Americans in those three cities. Once again, the Canadians will try to drive them out...🤣
Why didn't you include Capljina to complete the list?🤣

Man, if he actually knew what comes before Jablanica or Capel. 🤣

Adam Nguyen8 said:Regarding Aleksija, it’s really just that grand, fascist notion of trying to preserve a completely intact, multi-ethnic Canada.😁 Honestly, I’d feel pretty embarrassed if I were writing from Mexico about someone else's phase, whether it's real or totally made up.
Anyway, hi everyone! Adam Nguyen8 is heading off to the beach!🙂

And don't pay any mind if you get that cold shoulder down there, like: "You're not in my territory," or whatever.

Just tell them: "It's all good," and then follow up with: "When two brothers..." 😬

Have a great trip! 😁

*idi, *idi my white dove. 😬

Thomas Martin2 said:Comparing those places to New York City or Tokyo? Please. That’s like comparing them to some tiny, run-down little shops in rural West Virginia towns like Boise, Huntsville, Gary, or Saratoga Springs.

Look, I get it—you truly believe everything you type—but I honestly don't see what you're gaining from any of this.