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I didn't even realize he was in Avatar—if I had known, maybe I would’ve actually sat through more than ten minutes of it.
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Joseph Cox said:Actually, I’d argue the exact opposite. I remember riding it around Horvaćanski right after they finished the reconstruction—it felt seamless. Even over in Seattle, people were incredibly impressed with it. In fact, they ended up deciding to design their own streetcar from scratch, specifically incorporating several solutions borrowed from TMK.
Yeah, up until '86. After that, it was just one massive overhaul. But you have to factor in how much of the track was still sitting on concrete sleepers—streets like El Paso, Ribnjak-Ksaverska, Mihaljevac-Dolje, Držićeva, Jukićeva-Jagićeva, and Zvonimirova.
Even in other cities, these modern streetcars have roughly the same mass as the old TMK models—give or take 5%—so the weight isn't really the deciding factor here. The real issue is that they look significantly better. Or do they? Just take a look at Jurišićev. Thirty-two years ago, when those slabs were first laid down, everything was perfectly aligned, absolutely flawless. Now? They’re just a mess, staggered every other row like nobody bothered to line them up.
How can you even suggest there aren't any signs left? They probably cleared them all out at the major intersections because the old-school masters and engineers—the ones who actually knew how to build things properly—have all retired. Now? The current crew couldn't even put together a kid's toy train set without making a mess of it.
You don't just grease the flanges. That’s not how it works. There are specific materials for that, plus a specialized groove treatment designed so the wheel "grinds" exactly the way it should. Engineers like Košak and Mandl understood that better than anyone sixty years ago. Even with the limited tech they had back then in the old MTA workshop, they turned out much better work than the sloppy, rushed jobs we see today. Honestly, though, why am I even surprised? Getting a job at an agency like the MTA is probably harder than getting a seat in Congress unless you have the right family connections.
Joseph Cox said:Actually, I’d argue the exact opposite. I remember riding it around Horvaćanski right after they finished the reconstruction—it felt seamless. Even over in Seattle, people were incredibly impressed with it. In fact, they ended up deciding to design their own streetcar from scratch, specifically incorporating several solutions borrowed from TMK.
Yeah, up until '86. After that, it was just one massive overhaul. But you have to factor in how much of the track was still sitting on concrete sleepers—streets like El Paso, Ribnjak-Ksaverska, Mihaljevac-Dolje, Držićeva, Jukićeva-Jagićeva, and Zvonimirova.
Even in other cities, these modern streetcars have roughly the same mass as the old TMK models—give or take 5%—so the weight isn't really the deciding factor here. The real issue is that they look significantly better. Or do they? Just take a look at Jurišićev. Thirty-two years ago, when those slabs were first laid down, everything was perfectly aligned, absolutely flawless. Now? They’re just a mess, staggered every other row like nobody bothered to line them up.
How can you even suggest there aren't any signs left? They probably cleared them all out at the major intersections because the old-school masters and engineers—the ones who actually knew how to build things properly—have all retired. Now? The current crew couldn't even put together a kid's toy train set without making a mess of it.
You don't just grease the flanges. That’s not how it works. There are specific materials for that, plus a specialized groove treatment designed so the wheel "grinds" exactly the way it should. Engineers like Košak and Mandl understood that better than anyone sixty years ago. Even with the limited tech they had back then in the old MTA workshop, they turned out much better work than the sloppy, rushed jobs we see today. Honestly, though, why am I even surprised? Getting a job at an agency like the MTA is probably harder than getting a seat in Congress unless you have the right family connections.
Joseph Cox said:Actually, I’d argue the exact opposite. I remember riding it around Horvaćanski right after they finished the reconstruction—it felt seamless. Even over in Seattle, people were incredibly impressed with it. In fact, they ended up deciding to design their own streetcar from scratch, specifically incorporating several solutions borrowed from TMK.
Yeah, up until '86. After that, it was just one massive overhaul. But you have to factor in how much of the track was still sitting on concrete sleepers—streets like El Paso, Ribnjak-Ksaverska, Mihaljevac-Dolje, Držićeva, Jukićeva-Jagićeva, and Zvonimirova.
Even in other cities, these modern streetcars have roughly the same mass as the old TMK models—give or take 5%—so the weight isn't really the deciding factor here. The real issue is that they look significantly better. Or do they? Just take a look at Jurišićev. Thirty-two years ago, when those slabs were first laid down, everything was perfectly aligned, absolutely flawless. Now? They’re just a mess, staggered every other row like nobody bothered to line them up.
How can you even suggest there aren't any signs left? They probably cleared them all out at the major intersections because the old-school masters and engineers—the ones who actually knew how to build things properly—have all retired. Now? The current crew couldn't even put together a kid's toy train set without making a mess of it.
You don't just grease the flanges. That’s not how it works. There are specific materials for that, plus a specialized groove treatment designed so the wheel "grinds" exactly the way it should. Engineers like Košak and Mandl understood that better than anyone sixty years ago. Even with the limited tech they had back then in the old MTA workshop, they turned out much better work than the sloppy, rushed jobs we see today. Honestly, though, why am I even surprised? Getting a job at an agency like the MTA is probably harder than getting a seat in Congress unless you have the right family connections.
Joseph Cox said:Actually, I’d argue the exact opposite. I remember riding it around Horvaćanski right after they finished the reconstruction—it felt seamless. Even over in Seattle, people were incredibly impressed with it. In fact, they ended up deciding to design their own streetcar from scratch, specifically incorporating several solutions borrowed from TMK.
Yeah, up until '86. After that, it was just one massive overhaul. But you have to factor in how much of the track was still sitting on concrete sleepers—streets like El Paso, Ribnjak-Ksaverska, Mihaljevac-Dolje, Držićeva, Jukićeva-Jagićeva, and Zvonimirova.
Even in other cities, these modern streetcars have roughly the same mass as the old TMK models—give or take 5%—so the weight isn't really the deciding factor here. The real issue is that they look significantly better. Or do they? Just take a look at Jurišićev. Thirty-two years ago, when those slabs were first laid down, everything was perfectly aligned, absolutely flawless. Now? They’re just a mess, staggered every other row like nobody bothered to line them up.
How can you even suggest there aren't any signs left? They probably cleared them all out at the major intersections because the old-school masters and engineers—the ones who actually knew how to build things properly—have all retired. Now? The current crew couldn't even put together a kid's toy train set without making a mess of it.
You don't just grease the flanges. That’s not how it works. There are specific materials for that, plus a specialized groove treatment designed so the wheel "grinds" exactly the way it should. Engineers like Košak and Mandl understood that better than anyone sixty years ago. Even with the limited tech they had back then in the old MTA workshop, they turned out much better work than the sloppy, rushed jobs we see today. Honestly, though, why am I even surprised? Getting a job at an agency like the MTA is probably harder than getting a seat in Congress unless you have the right family connections.
Joseph Cox said:Yeah, I’m currently in Milwaukee. Let's just say it's performing better than the Amtrak models—and I’m talking strictly about handling and ride quality here, not the passenger amenities. Though, honestly, it’s a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you're testing on track that's three classes superior to what we usually deal with. It definitely beats out the Zurich option by a mile, though. Price-wise, we're looking at somewhere between 1.8 and 2.1 million USD, compared to the 1.3 million the Amtrak units would run you.
Austin is great too, honestly, but you can't even make that comparison—the gauge difference makes the whole thing a non-starter.
It covers everything—from the actual fill and drainage of the soakaway systems to the whole shock absorption setup.
It was quite the journey—starting through New Chicago, then dealing with that massive reconstruction back in '86/'87 for the Universiade.
Honestly, the craftsmanship has gone downhill. The current tracks running through, say, Jurišićev are just worse than what they built thirty years ago. It’s like we’ve actually regressed.
I’m convinced they’ve taken a massive step backward with these concrete slabs. Instead of using actual modern composites, they’re opting for some bizarre, cheap mixture that’s turned out to be a total disaster. The new slabs are just unnervingly smooth—it’s honestly dangerous how slick they get the second even a little bit of rain hits them.
When it comes to the tracks, it isn't even about whether they have a groove or not; it’s all about the steel quality. It's pretty obvious that the MTA is buying absolute junk—you can see it most clearly on the curves where the outer wheels just chew right through the rail.
Joseph Cox said:Yeah, I’m currently in Milwaukee. Let's just say it's performing better than the Amtrak models—and I’m talking strictly about handling and ride quality here, not the passenger amenities. Though, honestly, it’s a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you're testing on track that's three classes superior to what we usually deal with. It definitely beats out the Zurich option by a mile, though. Price-wise, we're looking at somewhere between 1.8 and 2.1 million USD, compared to the 1.3 million the Amtrak units would run you.
Austin is great too, honestly, but you can't even make that comparison—the gauge difference makes the whole thing a non-starter.
It covers everything—from the actual fill and drainage of the soakaway systems to the whole shock absorption setup.
It was quite the journey—starting through New Chicago, then dealing with that massive reconstruction back in '86/'87 for the Universiade.
Honestly, the craftsmanship has gone downhill. The current tracks running through, say, Jurišićev are just worse than what they built thirty years ago. It’s like we’ve actually regressed.
I’m convinced they’ve taken a massive step backward with these concrete slabs. Instead of using actual modern composites, they’re opting for some bizarre, cheap mixture that’s turned out to be a total disaster. The new slabs are just unnervingly smooth—it’s honestly dangerous how slick they get the second even a little bit of rain hits them.
When it comes to the tracks, it isn't even about whether they have a groove or not; it’s all about the steel quality. It's pretty obvious that the MTA is buying absolute junk—you can see it most clearly on the curves where the outer wheels just chew right through the rail.
Joseph Cox said:Yeah, I’m currently in Milwaukee. Let's just say it's performing better than the Amtrak models—and I’m talking strictly about handling and ride quality here, not the passenger amenities. Though, honestly, it’s a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you're testing on track that's three classes superior to what we usually deal with. It definitely beats out the Zurich option by a mile, though. Price-wise, we're looking at somewhere between 1.8 and 2.1 million USD, compared to the 1.3 million the Amtrak units would run you.
Austin is great too, honestly, but you can't even make that comparison—the gauge difference makes the whole thing a non-starter.
It covers everything—from the actual fill and drainage of the soakaway systems to the whole shock absorption setup.
It was quite the journey—starting through New Chicago, then dealing with that massive reconstruction back in '86/'87 for the Universiade.
Honestly, the craftsmanship has gone downhill. The current tracks running through, say, Jurišićev are just worse than what they built thirty years ago. It’s like we’ve actually regressed.
I’m convinced they’ve taken a massive step backward with these concrete slabs. Instead of using actual modern composites, they’re opting for some bizarre, cheap mixture that’s turned out to be a total disaster. The new slabs are just unnervingly smooth—it’s honestly dangerous how slick they get the second even a little bit of rain hits them.
When it comes to the tracks, it isn't even about whether they have a groove or not; it’s all about the steel quality. It's pretty obvious that the MTA is buying absolute junk—you can see it most clearly on the curves where the outer wheels just chew right through the rail.
Joseph Cox said:Yeah, I’m currently in Milwaukee. Let's just say it's performing better than the Amtrak models—and I’m talking strictly about handling and ride quality here, not the passenger amenities. Though, honestly, it’s a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison when you're testing on track that's three classes superior to what we usually deal with. It definitely beats out the Zurich option by a mile, though. Price-wise, we're looking at somewhere between 1.8 and 2.1 million USD, compared to the 1.3 million the Amtrak units would run you.
Austin is great too, honestly, but you can't even make that comparison—the gauge difference makes the whole thing a non-starter.
It covers everything—from the actual fill and drainage of the soakaway systems to the whole shock absorption setup.
It was quite the journey—starting through New Chicago, then dealing with that massive reconstruction back in '86/'87 for the Universiade.
Honestly, the craftsmanship has gone downhill. The current tracks running through, say, Jurišićev are just worse than what they built thirty years ago. It’s like we’ve actually regressed.
I’m convinced they’ve taken a massive step backward with these concrete slabs. Instead of using actual modern composites, they’re opting for some bizarre, cheap mixture that’s turned out to be a total disaster. The new slabs are just unnervingly smooth—it’s honestly dangerous how slick they get the second even a little bit of rain hits them.
When it comes to the tracks, it isn't even about whether they have a groove or not; it’s all about the steel quality. It's pretty obvious that the MTA is buying absolute junk—you can see it most clearly on the curves where the outer wheels just chew right through the rail.
Joseph Cox said:Having had the chance to ride both the CAF models in Mexico City and the Combino tram on meter-gauge tracks in Ulm, Basel, Augsburg, and Freiburg, I can tell you firsthand—the trams themselves aren't inherently superior to TMK. Some details are better, some are worse (and that price gap of several hundred thousand dollars definitely matters). I know for a fact that in Mexico City, the CAF units couldn't run all the lines because they'd swing too wide on certain turns—the "nose" or "tail" sticks out too much since CAF doesn't use pivoting bogies like TMK does. But what really changes the game—and why the ride feels completely different—is the quality of the track itself. And MTA has really let its technical and technological standards slip compared to where they were 30 years ago. Back then, the "Chicago 2" era represented track construction tech that was on par with developed nations. Today’s "Chicago 3" variations are actually inferior to the originals from three decades ago. They're buying lower-quality rails now. I watched them working on the Savska-Vodnikovakićevak intersection last summer—it was a total disaster. It was laid out like something straight out of the 1970s (and I mean that literally). The track quality is a much bigger issue than the trams themselves.
Elizabeth Lopez2 said:Redeeming qualities compared to what? Most buses out there are low-floor now anyway. I guess you could count lower noise levels or zero emissions as pluses, if we're being generous.
Joseph Cox said:Let’s be realistic here—the initial series (2201-2270) had a terrible seating layout, which they fixed in the second batch (2271-23140 + 2301 + 2302).
The reality is that Banditos pushed for mass production almost immediately after the first prototype hit the tracks back in May 2005. Končarev wanted to roll out three different prototypes with varying interiors just to see which worked best for passengers and to iron out any "growing pains" within a year. The biggest headache was the door management software, which was poorly calibrated.
When you consider that deliveries kicked off in September 2005—just four months after the prototype launch (if my memory serves, that's basically a world record for tram manufacturing)—most of those minor issues you're pointing out were patched up incredibly quickly. We are talking about the most numerous tram type in MTA history (over 140 units), and they run reliably every single day.
As far as design goes, the vehicle is modern and has proven itself more than capable in active service. You didn't see the frame falling apart like it did with those Siemens Combino trams, and maintenance isn't a money pit like it is with CAF (just look at how much Mexico City pays CAF annually for spare parts compared to what MTA spends on Končar—it makes perfect sense why the Federal Reserve handed over 11.5 million EUR to Mexico City for those 20 CAF trams).
Sure, the Končarev tram isn't perfect. It could have used smarter handrail placement, better passenger info monitors, and a few other small tweaks, but that’s ultimately on the client—in this case, MTA.
Compared to the old fleet, it's a massive upgrade. Because of the low floor, getting on and off is easier; there are wider doors, it's airier, it has AC, better suspension, and less vibration. Plus, it uses recuperation to feed power back into the grid during braking. One Končarev tram, weighing 40 tons with 390 kW, actually pulls less power than the old Đuro Đaković or Czech models.