Posts by Christian Anderson4

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Hey there. I’ve been hearing some talk about RIF devices—the ones that supposedly use specific frequencies for healing. Looking for some honest takes. Any pros or cons anyone can share?

placidjackal36 said:So, did you only sign up here just to run a little advertisement? 🙂

1) You can't lower blood sugar because of this; those two things aren't even remotely connected.
2) That stinging you're feeling is due to an increased concentration of OH- ions which, by the way, are actually bad for your skin.
3) "Belief" has no place in this conversation. Either the thing does what it claims to do, or it doesn't.

Nice one, Endymion. I've been following this forum from day one. I don't usually give out compliments, but I have to this time. You really tore them apart and showed just how superstitious people are these days.

wanderinghawk17 said:you said ...

Nobody is claiming that Noni is some magic potion that cures every single disease.

... and I arrived at that conclusion because of a statement from some "snake oil" salesman claiming that consuming Noni reduces tumors. 🤷 Is there anything else I need to add?

PS. With this last post, you finally dropped the act, though honestly, I expected nothing less from someone with such thick skin that they'll knowingly lie to people and exploit their misfortune. Sadly, people like you have been doing this for centuries and aren't going to stop. We've got all kinds out there...

Where did you read that I claim Noni cures tumors? You're lying again, as usual.
I mentioned that Noni is recommended for tumor-related conditions not as a cure, but as a supplement to therapy. Meaning, alongside medication and chemotherapy, many doctors recommend it to strengthen the body's resistance. And I'm talking about those doctors from "modern science."

wanderinghawk17 said:you said ...

Nobody is claiming that Noni is some magic potion that cures every single disease.

... and I arrived at that conclusion because of a statement from some "snake oil" salesman claiming that consuming Noni reduces tumors. 🤷 Is there anything else I need to add?

PS. With this last post, you finally dropped the act, though honestly, I expected nothing less from someone with such thick skin that they'll knowingly lie to people and exploit their misfortune. Sadly, people like you have been doing this for centuries and aren't going to stop. We've got all kinds out there...

I see you're the one wearing a mask. You even chose a profile picture with a mask. I haven't.
Since you're "fighting" so hard against pharmaceutical profits, why don't you, for example,
attack Npreta 1,3 D Glukan, which sells for $350 for $233 a single bottle of tablets derived from germs? Do you have any idea what the production cost for a box of those tablets actually is?
Or why don't you attack the pharmaceutical industry, which sits right behind banking as the most profitable sector in the world? The same industry that employs countless research centers, laboratories, respected doctors, and so on? Why target Noni juice specifically?
It's obvious it doesn't suit your interests, because you're clearly one of those people sucking money out of the pharma business.

wanderinghawk17 said:"My" people don't have anything to prove. It's the Noni manufacturers claiming their juice can fix this or that—so they're the ones who need to back it up. (And they haven't managed it in 20 years...).

I did read the arguments. They all boil down to substances that don't actually do anything for humans and aren't recognized by science as being effective. Plus, it keeps coming back to statements like "it's not useless." Well, a glass of water isn't useless either—but it doesn't cost $100!!!

Right now, you're just proving that you rely on lies and vague nonsense. No real need to waste much time debunking every single one of your falsehoods individually.
You only need to look at the last one: the cost. $100.
Noni juice can also be obtained for... $50 For a liter. Price will probably drop even further down the road, since more and more producers are popping up. It’s all happening because more people are drinking Noni juice. They don't need your evidence.
If it wasn't working for me, I wouldn't be ordering it again, drinking it, or recommending it to my friends and acquaintances.
There have always been "scientists" like you. In the name of science, they wanted to burn Galileo at the stake. They claimed the telephone was just a useless toy. They tried to ban the first automobiles. And so on.

wanderinghawk17 said:"My" people don't have anything to prove. It's the Noni manufacturers claiming their juice can fix this or that—so they're the ones who need to back it up. (And they haven't managed it in 20 years...).

I did read the arguments. They all boil down to substances that don't actually do anything for humans and aren't recognized by science as being effective. Plus, it keeps coming back to statements like "it's not useless." Well, a glass of water isn't useless either—but it doesn't cost $100!!!

Once again, it's clear your arguments are nonsense and LIES!!!!
It's not worth wasting time trying to debunk you. For example, look at the lie presented here about the cost of a glass $100. You can get Noni for $50 per liter. And as I already mentioned, the price will probably drop in the future due to high demand and more manufacturers entering the market. Those people don't need anything proven to them; they are already convinced that Noni juice helps them.
Science once wanted to burn Galilei at the stake. They claimed the telephone was useless, the car was dangerous, and that they should be banned. "Scientists" like you have always existed.

wanderinghawk17 said:Give me a break. What about all those blatant lies I've stumbled upon from "Noni" dealers? It’s just a mountain of fabrications and unproven claims. And honestly, that's just one of the good guys. There are hundreds of them out there. They’re just drawn to the easy money they can make off naive—and often desperate—people who are just trying to grab onto any straw they can find... 👎

The wide-ranging benefits of Noni can be attributed to the following components:😛Proxeronin, amino acids, enzymes, vitamins, minerals, xseronin, scopoletin, damnakantal, etc.

So, what are the primary beneficial properties of Noni?

The Noni fruit contains 800 times more Proxeronin than pineapple, which until recently was considered the primary source of this ingredient. Proxeronin and proxeronase are two key components that allow the human body to produce Xeronin, the most vital alkaloid for regenerating all molecules within bodily cells. It essentially regulates cellular function.

When there's an insufficient supply of Proxeronin, our proteins can't perform their intended roles, leading to a compromised physical state that can manifest as various serious illnesses and ailments. In other words, increasing Proxeronin intake directly addresses the underlying issue. That’s where the effectiveness of Noni juice comes into play. Someone with low levels of Xeronin will experience various issues due to their proteins failing to function properly. By consuming Noni juice, a person introduces Xeronin into their system, which facilitates healthy protein function—essentially leading to overall wellness. To some, this might seem like a "miracle." The reason so many people describe Noni juice as "miraculous" is naturally due to its Proxeronin content, backed up by the actual results seen in individuals who supplement their daily diet with Noni juice. By using Noni juice, we provide our bodies with the fundamental tools needed to activate all internal functions and processes. Noni juice supplies the body with Proxeronin, which then regulates and creates the necessary amount of Xeronin, while any excess is simply absorbed, meaning that excessive Proxeronin intake doesn't cause any harm or side effects..

Xeronin and proxeronin possess exceptional antidepressant effects. These substances promote the release of endorphins, which results in improved mood and a sense of well-being. Additionally, they help alleviate debilitating pain caused by joint inflammation without being addictive.

On top of all that, xseronin triggers the body's natural anti-inflammatory mechanisms and boosts resistance against bacteria and viruses. Because of this, Noni is recommended for anyone who frequently suffers from upper respiratory infections.

Thanks to its damnakantal content, Noni provides outstanding protection against malignant developments, specifically slowing down the growth of existing tumors. In cases where tumors develop in the body, the levels of the enzymes xseronin, proxeronin, and proxeronase—which Noni contains in significant amounts—decrease. Due to its adaptogenic properties, it is capable of normalizing cells that aren't functioning correctly. Regular use of Noni contributes significantly to effective tumor protection.

They call this stuff the "Queen of Fruits" for a reason. It’s packed with 18 different amino acids that basically act as building blocks for muscle growth while simultaneously keeping your body from breaking down existing muscle tissue. If you're hitting the gym regularly, that kind of support is a game-changer. Plus, it’s loaded with special substances that help shuttle nutrients between cells, giving it a real regenerative effect.

Then there's scopoletin. This compound helps keep your thyroid functioning smoothly and bumps up your serotonin and melatonin levels. In plain English, that means it helps stabilize your mood and keeps your sleep cycle in check so you can actually adjust to daily shifts without feeling totally wiped. Noni also helps relax your arteries, which plays a massive role in bringing down high blood pressure triggered by stress and tension. On top of that, it improves tissue circulation and lowers the risk of blood clots, essentially acting as a shield against heart attacks and strokes. Because it’s heavy on antioxidants, it fights off the oxidation of LDL cholesterol, meaning it contributes significantly to preventing cardiovascular disease.

Another heavyweight ingredient in Noni is damnacanthal. Think of it as a sort of supervisor for cell and tissue division—it basically makes sure things don't spiral out of control. Since it helps build up optimal levels of T-cells, B-cells, and other immune and lymphatic cells, it basically does the heavy lifting for your immune system, helping it stay sharp enough to take down illnesses.

Hello? Are you actually missing a few screws?🤷 What does that article have to do with my point that I don't think Noni is some miracle cure, but it isn't completely useless either? Where did you see me claiming what you're quoting?
I can only tell you that you're being an idiot. Go hang out with the BBBOys and deal with your frustrations there.
fuck off

wanderinghawk17 said:That’s quite a statement from someone who clearly only signed up just to try and "deal" some Noni juice.

Hypocritical...

...but honestly, I saw it coming. It’s been twenty years and they still can’t back up any of these claims with actual evidence, so when they run out of arguments, they just start attacking whoever they're talking to.

Why haven't your claims been proven for 20 years either? From what I can see, you're the one doing the attacking and spitting venom. You can't even manage to read someone else's arguments. If your only goal wasn't just arguing and insults, maybe you'd notice that I am personally against MLM marketing too. Even though there isn't serious research, the trend is toward increased consumption of Noni juice. In Germany, there are more than 30 registered companies selling it. People are drinking it; they aren't asking you for advice. And clearly, they are buying it again and recommending it, otherwise the market wouldn't be expanding the way it is. Noni juice is also sold for as low as €20, which is much more affordable than in an MLM. mlmuvjrojatno its price will drop even further in the future to bring it into more realistic ranges.

It’s beyond obvious that wanderinghawk17 works in pharma or is pulling commissions from them. That’s why people like him will trash not just Noni, but Aloe Vera, chamomile, lavender, and everything else. They’ll just dismiss it all as superstition. It's all a play to maximize their own profits. Honestly, wanderinghawk17, you’re exposed now. No need to pretend you're "protecting people's money" when you're really just trying to line your own pockets.👎

wanderinghawk17 said:And just like that, guys like our buddy Christian Anderson4 are totally exposed...

http://noni.worldwidewarning.net/www...ionquarantine/

Do yourself a favor and read up on this. Unless, of course, you're perfectly happy staying blissfully ignorant while people promise you the moon and the stars just to line their own pockets...

And why don't you recommend checking out the pages Zachary Castillo7 cited at the start of this thread? Why do you insist on sticking to your own supply? Let me be clear: No one is claiming Noni is a miracle cure for every ailment, but that doesn't mean it's worthless either.
There have always been critics and proponents of Noni. There will always be skeptics like you for everything and everyone.
It’s obvious you work for some pharmaceutical company—companies that are essentially nothing more than massive con artists.
After the banking sector, the pharmaceutical industry pulls in the largest profits in the world.
They even invent medical conditions, much like how menopause was declared. It used to be considered a normal stage of life; now you and your "researchers" label it a disease just to drive profit. Compared to the pharmaceutical industry, the money made from Noni juice is pocket change.

wanderinghawk17 said:Aren't you guys embarrassed selling "snake oil"? Honestly, where is your sense of decency?

Quote:
Andrew Weil, M.D.

Juice comes fra The noni or morinda tree found in The Polynesian islands as well as Hawaii. The tree produces a knobby, foul-smelling fruit that has been used as a traditional remedy by islanders, particularly as a laxative and topical application for skin ailments. Noni juice is a pricey, nasty smelling and sour tasting product aggressively promoted through multi-level marketing as a treatment for just about any health problem you can name: cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, arthritis, psoriasis, allergies, sinus infections, menstrual cramps, ulcers, depression, head lice and on and on. All this has resulted in $ 1 billion in worldwide sales for The company that manufactures and sells Noni Juice. Despite the health claims and the enthusiastic testimonials of customers, there is absolutely no scientific evidence that Noni Juice is an effective treatment for anything AT All. Although som laboratory research Has demonstrated potentially helpful effects on cancer cells, no human studies have been conducted so we have no way of knowing if the lab findings will translate into useful treatments for humans. A researcher in Hawaii received a small grant last year from the National Institutes of Health to conduct The First scientific study of Noni in human cancer patients. The most damage Noni Juice is likely to do is to your bank account. However, anyone with kidney disease should avoid it because its high potassium content could lead to high potassium levels , a danger when the kidneys aren't working normally. While IT is true that Noni Has been used in traditional Hawaiian medicina for many years, it was rarely taken internally, except as a laxative. Instead, parts of the plant were used for a poultice applied to wounds and used to treat skin disorders. You also might be interested to know that in 1998, the manufacturers of Noni Juice were charged by the Attorneys general of Arizona, California, New Jersey and Texas with Making unfounded health claims and were ordered to stop advertising the purported benefits until they could provide scientific backup. That hasn't happened . The government of Finland Has banned The sale of Noni Juice until ads are revised eliminating unsubstantiated health claims. My recommendation? Say "no" to Noni.

You really found some "experts" there. Why don't you cite actual scientific studies regarding 😁"but can someone who fell on the floor consume it?" or studies that go as far as declaring milk harmful?
The fact that these "studies" were conducted by "scientists" with questionable knowledge proves they don't even grasp the basics of the Noni fruit. They list specific islands, when in reality Noni grows all over Southeast Asia: Malaysia, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, India, and so on. It also grows in the Philippines, Cook Islands, parts of Australia, and parts of Africa. You can find it in Central America too. These scientists are trying to explain advanced mathematics when they haven't even mastered elementary school stuff.
It’s just like those local "experts" back in the former America who labeled goats as pests and ended up banning them from being raised altogether.

shadowtiger said:I'm actually curious about the price tag on this stuff—what does a liter run you these days?

Prices vary: American Noni goes for about $127, the 950 ml bottles sit around 250-$87, and Thai noni is roughly 150-$67. The main difference is that the pricier ones are produced in the US, whereas the Thai noni is processed right where it's harvested, in Thailand.

wanderinghawk17, thank God you finally left. You became exhausting, obsessing over the exact same thing over and over. It’s clear you have some internal issues; you obviously have no respect for anyone else's perspective or arguments. And yours are so pathetic that you're simply not worth the time anymore.

People who believe strictly in the material world just refuse to accept that life is actually more complex than that. If you can feel someone watching you, why wouldn't there be people capable of consciously projecting negative energy toward someone else?

As far as black and white magic goes, I know it exists and can actually work. But that’s a different conversation, not meant for this forum.

wanderinghawk17 said:...even though there isn't a shred of proof that the juice actually does any of that. It's not like taking a spoonful of honey with an apple, or eating some sauerkraut, or just grabbing fresh fruit and veggies.
I guess I'm just saying that I don't see much point in throwing my money at a group of people who seem to be profiting off others' misfortunes, especially when I'm surrounded by things that are actually PROVEN to work.

If it didn't work, it would have vanished from the market in a matter of months.

That's not really a solid argument when you consider there's an entire MLM army and a multi-million dollar industry backing the sales. It's like saying local psychics must be legit because they've been "breaking curses" for hundreds of years... are you seriously suggesting they actually work?

Besides, after all this time (Noni has been around for nearly 20 years), there still isn't a single study proving positive effects of Noni on humans. How does that even happen? Ever wonder why? Everything we have is just studies showing how certain components affect bacteria colonies or some mice in a lab.

Let me ask you something: do you honestly believe that L'Oréal anti-wrinkle cream reduces wrinkles by 65.3%? Do you truly believe Orbit gum whitens teeth, or that Axe deodorant makes you a magnet for people? So why the blind faith in Noni? 😕

I think you've got it wrong. In the MLM market, Noni is sold by: Tahitian noni International, Calivita, and partially by Lukasov Tahitian noni, which is also unjustifiably overpriced. There are companies that aren't in MLMs either. If a life insurance policy is a good thing, you shouldn't dismiss it as useless or pointless just because of various aggressive agents and salesmen.
In our market, there are teams basically selling nothing but "water with a good commercial." For example🙂 Npreta 1,3 D Glukan. In USA Today, The New York Times, and on the radio, there were constant ads claiming this product was up to "120 times stronger than similar products," and that it was "scientifically proven" you'd feel better after just 3-4 days, etc. The actual production cost of these tablets is peanuts. They probably invest everything $1667 into advertising. In America, we have tens of thousands of pharmacies. The product was sold—or is still being sold—for about $350 and maybe $233. If just one pharmacy sells 2-3 boxes of tablets, just calculate the profit. However, after people try it for a few months to a year, the excitement fades. This same crew had the exact same story with colostrum. We'll see what their next project is. No one has written against this racket—not The New York Times nor USA Today. They just pocketed the ad money. Noni, unlike those other products, isn't facing that fate; it's appearing more and more on the market, and prices are dropping to more realistic levels. It's similar to aloe vera and those kinds of preparations. This isn't just a trend in the US, but worldwide. As Zachary Castillo7 already pointed out, there clearly isn't any desire to investigate things thoroughly because it doesn't make money for the pharmaceutical industry, since they don't produce it. And they, of course, are the primary sources of funding for such research.

wanderinghawk17 said:My bad.

It really bugs me when people turn a profit off other people's misfortunes, and the Noni bandwagon basically launched on that exact premise: a miracle cure for everything under the sun. A bunch of lawsuits forced them to tone down the promises, but that doesn't suddenly make them Pasteur...

The reality is that people in MLMs are practically selling it as an elixir of youth. Like you said—without a shred of proof. The "evidence" usually boils down to compounds that show a positive effect on bacteria or mice...

And yeah, I bet you could find a ton of compounds in clover that act as antioxidants against bacterial colonies, too. It’s just that clover isn't "exciting" enough for multinational corporations that fleece (often sick) people to rake in millions. They need something exotic—a weird plant from Polynesia, bat wings, snake sweat...

I hope you get where I was coming from... You warned about hepatotoxicity, while I was warning about naivety.

Nobody here is claiming that Noni is a miracle drug that cures all diseases. But it's also a fact that many doctors recommend it to those suffering from carcinogenic diseases—NOT AS A CURE, but rather for strengthening and boosting the body's resistance, given how much chemotherapy and such can weaken the system. So, as a supplement.
The truth is you have to watch out for the people selling it in MLMs, because they really do overpromise. Specifically, the company Morinda, or Tahitian International, boasts about having 200 millionaires in their network and paying out billions of dollars to their associates. They promise you'll have a bigger paycheck than 20 $0.00 if you become a distributor. You have to be wary of them. As for Noni juice, like what Zachary Castillo7 has been explaining all this time, we just have to wait for its effects to be scientifically established. The mere fact that it's been used from 1996 until now in the US and European markets means something. If it weren't effective, it would have vanished from the scene in a matter of months.

Zachary Castillo7 said:That’s not quite right. Noni isn't the miracle cure they market it as, but it isn't completely useless either.
And that quote is total nonsense. Are we really going to judge a plant's activity and efficacy based solely on vitamin and flavonoid content?!
Other compounds play a much bigger role in Noni: there's a polysaccharide fraction that stimulates cytokine synthesis (TNF-alpha, IL-6, gamma interferon) similar to Echinacea species. Iridoids are also key components with anti-inflammatory and anti-tumor effects. The anthraquinones found in Noni extracts are interesting too...
Unfortunately, there aren't any double-blind, placebo-controlled studies yet to prove or disprove this plant's efficacy in humans. Even if there were, it wouldn't stop many doctors from denying its effectiveness. They can't patent it, so there are no billions of dollars in it for big pharma companies or the doctors pushing their products🙄. It’s enough to say that many doctors call St. John's Wort, hawthorn, or ginkgo biloba trash or nonsense, even though their efficacy has been proven in clinical studies! Luckily, not all doctors are like that (there are plenty who actually care about patient well-being rather than just lining their pockets)
. For anyone happily gulping down Noni juice—it is very likely hepatotoxic, so don't drink it like it's orange juice!!!
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...ubmed_RVDocSum
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Kudos to Zachary Castillo7. I have to tip my hat to your insight regarding so-called modern medicine and the pharmaceutical market. Also, thanks for the useful links. Just one small observation on drinking Noni juice: I personally saw people in parts of Thailand consuming it fresh, sour, and paired with chili and Thai curry. If they incorporate it into a regular diet like that, I don't think there should be much risk of overconsumption.

Hannah Sanders13 said:TAHITIAN NONI juice is the first and original product of its kind.

Give me a break. What a joke. I bet you're selling the stuff yourself while making claims like that. And of course, collecting massive commissions on top of it. How can Tahitian noni be "original" or "the first" when the people living where it actually grows have been using it for centuries, long before American companies showed up just to commercialize it and charge a premium for ancient indigenous knowledge?
Besides, Noni juice actually originates from Southeast Asia, not Tahiti.