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JESUS IS NOT A SINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drew Reed6 said:The Jews believed Jesus was the Messiah. Now, when we say "king," we aren't just talking about some figurehead; we all know that term implies actual political leadership. So, in their eyes, he was the legitimate king of Israel—the kind of ruler specifically chosen by God.

I suppose Christians are just as aware of these facts. They understand the Messiah is meant to be a king, but maybe what they struggle to fully grasp or accept is the whole aspect of politics and the actual governance of the state of Israel.

It really comes down to the fact that the political climate and historical circumstances during the first century forced the Jewish people to start thinking, through the lens of their faith, about how to break free from the Roman government. That’s why those various Messianic movements started popping up back then. I’m referring to all those different figures they looked to as their potential Messiahs. But, fundamentally, there’s God behind the concept of a Messiah. You could have priests pointing someone out as a candidate for a Messianic role, and that person might try to rally the people to revolt against Rome. But let's be real: Rome was a superpower at the time, the absolute strongest nation in the known world with an unbeatable military. Israel was just a small province, and unfortunately, it wasn't located on the outskirts of the empire where it might have had some rebellious neighbors to help out in a war. Instead, Israel sat right in a vital strategic location, with the main highways connecting the empire running straight through the Holy Land. Because of that, many people probably realized right away that fighting such a massive opponent was a losing battle, and Rome certainly wasn't going to let itself lose.

Still, groups like the Zealots did rebel against Rome, mostly because they placed all their trust in their faith and ancient prophecies. They were waiting for the Messiah to arrive and for God to step in and help. Their logic was basically: once the true Messiah sent by God arrives, the Romans will lose the war. In their view, if a Messiah dies, he clearly wasn't the real deal. That’s why I guess Joseph would categorize those other claimants to the Messianic title alongside sorcerers or false prophets—people who tried and failed to lead the nation in a fight against Rome.

Jesus also died on the cross, but unlike the others, his life sparked a global religion. Why did that happen? Why didn't he just end up being another failed Messiah, like Theudus or Judas the Galilean?

It’s honestly pretty hard to answer those questions, especially since we lack such solid historical documentation. I mean, the Bible itself isn't exactly a history textbook. But you could argue that a specific faith began to coalesce around Jesus. Up until the crucifixion, that faith stayed within the framework of Judaism, and Jesus was viewed primarily as the Jewish Messiah.

But after that, things shifted. His followers began believing that Messiah Jesus had been resurrected. From there, the belief in the Second Coming grew. The idea was that he would return on the clouds, seated at the right hand of God, to judge the world and bring justice. At that point, he wouldn't be the king of Israel anymore, but rather the king of God's kingdom in heaven. This was likely the core belief held by Jesus' disciples and the Jerusalem church from the resurrection until the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

The real question is whether this is a totally unique religious concept or if we've seen similar patterns before. A king fights for his crown, falls in battle, and then somehow rises from the dead to bring a new sense of hope. But instead of being a historical ruler of the living, he becomes the ruler of the dead?

If you look at the Middle East, you see something similar with Osiris, who continues to reign as the king of the underworld. Even though theology tries to explain it differently, at its heart, it feels like the same pattern.

So, Jesus is the heavenly ruler in God's kingdom. It seems like the deceased go to that place, where Jesus Christ reigns as the Messiah over a realm that is essentially a world of souls—the world of the dead.

It all comes down to the fact that He truly rose from the dead. Honestly, if that didn't happen, there’d be no proof of His divinity, and you wouldn't have had all those martyrs willing to die for Him. The resurrection is the ultimate smoking gun. Without it, everyone else just stayed dead, and their followers eventually drifted away.

Benjamin Taylor6, look, the whole point of everything boils down to love. Jesus did it all because He loves us. It wasn't some forced obligation—if it had been, it wouldn't have been just, right? But He stepped up and said He wanted to settle the debt on our behalf, and He saw the path ahead and ACCEPTED it. That’s why God is love; He did this for us. And honestly, it isn't my will to write such a long-winded post, it's His.

Spot on, Alex Ramos91. You hit the nail on the head—everything was covered perfectly, and you really nailed the topic.

Because of that original sin passed down from our parents, none of us are exempt from making mistakes.

It’s not just me, mistygull16—it's all of us, every single one of us

Look, there are plenty of people out there who don't act that way. It’s just so much easier to take the lazy route, generalize everything, and claim everyone is inherently bad just so you can check out. Sure, people are flawed—we all are—but it’s through Christ that we actually find the strength to fix ourselves.

Christ is the slain Lamb; that theme runs through the entire Bible, yet there’s just no clarity in your post

If you're comfortable with English, give this video a watch. It'll make things a lot clearer for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcsnciR6Jk

steelgardener22 said:If I remember right, the Father decided to sacrifice His Son. "Not my will, but Yours..."—which feels a bit clumsy if you ask me...

that's why we're justified in Him, because He is.

So this Father, instead of putting the Son first among all values because of His sacrifice, ends up making it look like the biggest sin is against the Holy Spirit—while anyone who beats the Son can basically be forgiven? Seriously? A real Father takes the hits himself and does everything to protect the Son's honor, right?

What do you mean "instead"? That is exactly what the Father does. He puts Jesus first through this act of devotion. Seriously, just read the Bible. Everyone will bow to Jesus forever because He did this, and the Father is giving Him all the glory.

No, I see it differently. To me, it’s proof that God is just, but He’s just as much about love as He is about justice. He could have chosen not to save us—that wouldn't make Him any less God—but we were the ones who turned our backs on Him. Yet, Jesus said in Heaven: "I will pay their debt because I love them!" He chose His life and His fate of His own free will. That is why we are justified through Him. He is the Lamb who redeemed humanity, the first person to ever stand before the Gates of Heaven and have them swing wide open for Him, because He truly earned it.

Jesus died to redeem us, acting as our shield against God's wrath.
2 Corinthians 5:21 God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.

Jesus sacrificed Himself so we could enter Paradise. All of God's anger was poured out on Jesus instead of us; He stepped right into our place and took the blow, all so we could be justified through Him.

🤦 Oh, come on, Gregory Jackson.... everyone else was just dying later on as martyrs for some political agenda... but hey, your logic is something else... 🤦