Posts by Rachel Martinez11

sad but true said:human life is inherently more valuable than animal life 🙂

It’s the same old loop, isn't it? This argument falls apart immediately because it relies on such sweeping generalizations. If we're being honest—objectively or otherwise—the life of even the dimmest dog carries more weight than some parasite like George Bush. Honestly, I’d argue a single cockroach holds more value than 30% of the people sitting in the US Congress.

briskgull27 said:I know a couple of vegans who are incredibly sharp, but emotionally stunted. Then there's one guy who is just genuinely kind and warm. All of them are men.
Could that emotional numbness actually be tied to their diet?

The reason those two vegans aren't showing any emotion when you're around probably has everything to do with how they met you. As for that one warm, pleasant guy? He likely hasn't been out on the dating scene in quite some time.

Taylor Campbell4 said:If you're the same guy who was posting in that other thread about slaughterhouses, then I think you already know—deep down, even if it’s just a nagging feeling—that you're talking nonsense here. It's just hard for some people to break free from their own convictions.

That kind of fanaticism... it usually stems from fear, if I recall correctly.

Look, be a vegetarian if you want; there's nothing wrong with that. But attacking people just because they eat meat is mindless, it's rude, and it doesn't solve a damn thing. In fact, it probably just pushes people further away. It's irrational, and honestly, it makes the world a worse place than it already is.

First off, calling someone's argument "nonsense" is pretty low, especially when those arguments are actually logical and haven't targeted anyone.
Second, I haven't attacked a single soul, which suggests your interpretation of this conversation is leaning a bit toward the paranoid side.
Third, if you can't maintain a level of basic decency, I'm going to treat you like an internet troll. Engaging in personal jabs is just a massive waste of my time.

Taylor Campbell4 said:Why on earth are you even bringing up those topics if you don't actually have a clue what you're talking about?
🙂

Was that directed at me?

sad but true said:Look, maybe try reading your own post one more time. You might actually realize you just described yourself and every other vegetarian out there as nothing more than trend-followers—people doing it simply because it happens to be the "cool" thing to do right now.

If that’s really how you interpreted my point about collective amnesia and how easily society can manipulate that void, then I can't say I'm surprised by your outlook. It’s clear there’s a fundamental disconnect in how you perceive things. Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it’s just an intelligence issue. Did you have some ancestor who was a vegetarian, too?

sad but true said:people enjoy meat because, unlike plants, it just tastes incredible.

Don't get me wrong, I love the taste of meat. I really do. But I don't eat it, mostly because I prefer to sleep at night with a clear conscience. It’s an analogy, really. Sure, I recognize there are plenty of attractive women out there, and I'm certain I'd enjoy their company if given the chance. But I avoid those encounters because I value my marriage. My wife would be devastated if I cheated, and frankly, I have no desire to cause her that kind of pain. In the same vein, I don't want animals to suffer. That said, I can't help but think there's a certain poetic justice in seeing people who lack even a shred of empathy—those who couldn't care less about others—experience that same indifference firsthand. Maybe then they'd actually start to grasp the weight of the issues they ignore.

Taylor Campbell4 said:They’ve pulled this stunt a thousand times already—I’ve seen it happen on that other thread I mentioned... anyone with even a shred of self-awareness would use that as a reason to actually take a hard look at themselves.

Look, since you’ve had plenty of chances and still haven't backed up any of those baseless, insulting claims with an actual argument, let me be clear. You're just spewing nonsense and attacking meat-eaters without a single logical foundation. To me, there's no doubt about it: you're just being dense and trolling. I have absolutely nothing to say to people like you. So, just get lost.

Rachel Martinez11 said:Look, the world wasn't built to be some kind of playground for our comfort.

I don't touch meat, but I still know how to appreciate a good meal.

Taylor Campbell4 said:You’re more than happy to throw around baseless accusations against anyone in your path without an ounce of actual logic, and then when you get completely dismantled on one topic, you just pivot to barking the same nonsense at another. But heaven forbid someone calls out that ridiculous behavior—then suddenly, you're the victim.

Oh, look at you, lecturing me on "substance" and "sound argumentation." Real classy. So, since you're such a titan of logic, why don't you go ahead and prove you aren't just a complete idiot? In line with your high-and-mighty post, go ahead and quote a single sentence of mine where I attacked meat-eaters without any actual basis or reasoning. Come on, let's see it. I'll wait.

hereticST said:It just grates on my nerves when vegetarians try to lecture me about how much "better" their diet is or act like they're morally superior simply because they don't kill animals. Give me a break. Who do they think they are, judging me?

I came across this passage recently that really hits home for me. It suggests that a fundamental lack of empathy isn't just a quirk—it's a hallmark symptom of psychopathy:

“Interpersonally, psychopathic individuals are arrogant, superficial, deceitful, and manipulative. Affectively, their emotions are shallow and labile. They are unable to form strong emotional bonds with others and are lacking in empathy, anxiety, and guilt. Behaviourally, they are irresponsible, impulsive, sensation seeking, and prone to delinquency and criminality” (p. 16).

sad but true said:What makes you think nobody tells people what they should be eating?

Oh, they absolutely tell them. Society imposes its standards whether you choose to notice or not. If you’ve ever sat through a reality show like George Orwell's Big Brother, you would have seen firsthand how ten or fifteen idiots on prime-time television dictate thought patterns to the masses. That kind of programming is a crime against intellect. It’s just as insidious how our "virtuous" society forces everyone to perform on cue: you have to be joyful for New Year's Day, pious and good for Christmas, mournful for the Day of the Dead, patriotic for Independence Day, and lovestruck for Valentine's Day—you name it. It’s pathetic, really, but it's the truth. Just like you.

misery- said:It’s just hard for you to open your eyes and realize that millions of people don't need meat, and they function perfectly fine—actually, even better—without it.

The executioner is a good man. Honestly, he’s more intelligent and fair-minded than 90% of the people I run into, including both of those vegetarians. He just needs a little time to work on his own self-awareness and figure out how to connect with his own gut feelings. Once he hits a bit more maturity and things settle down, everything will click, and he'll become a really positive part of this community. I have absolutely zero doubt about that.

hereticST said:Honestly, all I find irritating is when vegetarians try to lecture me about how much "better" their diet is or act like they’re morally superior just because they don't kill animals.

Look, if you have to kill an animal to survive, you aren't any worse than someone who doesn't. It’s the same logic with self-defense—if you’re forced to take a life, you aren't a monster. But if you actually have a choice, and you still choose violence—whether against an animal or a person—then yeah, you're in a different category than someone who avoids it. Now, that doesn't apply to the average meat eater who has no clue how the industrial meat complex actually operates. Most people are completely oblivious to the alternatives out there, largely because Big Ag spends billions on media propaganda and lobbying politicians here in the States and all over the world.

hereticST said:I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR PLASTIC OR WHATEVER—JUST LEAVE THE REST OF US ALONE. WHO CARES IF THE PIG SUFFERED? IT WAS DELICIOUS DINNER FOR ME!!!!!!

Honestly, I think most people actually operate this way. It’s pure survivalism: "I’m looking out for number one, and frankly, I couldn't care less about anyone else." That mindset was practically mandatory for early humans and primitive tribes just to stay alive. Fast forward through a few millennia of civilization, and we’ve supposedly made some progress, right? We’ve baked certain moral and ethical guidelines into our legal systems, expecting individuals to act in accordance with modern societal standards. Unfortunately, there’s still plenty of room for this kind of primitive, selfish thinking to breathe. It’s a stain on the society we live in, though obviously, you don't fix deep-seated cultural rot overnight. Those who push for higher ethical standards—vegetarians included—are just trying to move the needle by advocating for their views. That’s why they speak up. I don't see any reason why someone should feel insulted or threatened just because another person chooses a different way to exist.

Rebecca Cox2 said:How do you actually change someone's mind if they just refuse to listen to reason?

Look, we've all been there. If being nice isn't working, you just have to lay it out straight—tell them they're being dense while you're clearly the smart one. Just look at how things work here on this forum. If they won't just swallow your views whole, then you've got to tear their logic apart.🙂

Rebecca Cox2 said:Is there actually anything that could ever force you to radically shift your worldview? And if the answer is NO, how can you honestly expect anyone else to do it?

Alright, let me give you a real answer. Any solid argument is worth weighing. Personally, I’d pivot my entire stance in a heartbeat if I concluded someone else had a better point than mine. There’s no shame in that. For me, it’s just basic survival—trying to get better rather than clinging to my ego and remaining the same old fool I am today.

Lozin is a judge who serves as a perfect, if unfortunate, mirror for the entire Split municipal court, its president, and the broader American judicial system as a whole. He’s a disgrace—not just to his profession or the state that appointed him, but to everyone who keeps him in that seat, to his fellow citizens, and frankly, to humanity itself.

If you want products that are truly non-GMO, you have to look for that USDA Organic certification. It’s the only way to be sure. Personally, when I hit up my local Whole Foods, I tend to stick to specific things—seitan, some vegetable spreads, and various vegan beverages (that oat milk is honestly addictive). Everything else? I just pick up at the standard grocery stores. Honestly, I doubt any specialty health food store could even afford to carry GMO products. If word ever got out that they were stocking them, they’d be out of business before the week was over.

Sophia Allen12 said:Like I said before, you people are incredibly hypocritical. You act all high and mighty, posing as if you care about how "poor animals" suffer—how they’re slaughtered, the stress they endure, those sad little eyes and all that nonsense...
But then, on the flip side, you’re perfectly fine with those same poor creatures being tortured through a million different tests just to develop medicines or whatever else you need! 🤔

If you actually gave a damn about animals, you wouldn't be using those drugs, deodorants, shampoos, or any of it! Hypocrites, the lot of you.

You've managed to hit on the core of the issue. Personally, I try to stick to products that don't require the suffering of innocent animals for their production. To that end, here is a blacklist of manufacturers known for using animals in experiments for their products:
http://www.peta.org/index.html

And here is a list of ethical alternatives:
http://www.crueltyfree.org/index.html

I’ll also leave a link to a gallery showing the reality of animals used in testing:
http://www.animalrights.org/gallery

I suppose I should have seen this coming. It’s funny, in a dark sort of way, how we always think we’re the exception to the rule until the rule finally catches up with us. I remember sitting in a diner outside of Chicago back in the late nineties, watching the rain hit the window and thinking the world was actually starting to make sense. I was wrong, obviously. We always are. It’s just one of those things that leaves you feeling a bit hollowed out, isn't it? You put in the work, you follow the script, and yet here we are. It feels less like a surprise and more like a slow, inevitable slide into the predictable. Anyway, I didn't mean to go on, but sometimes the weight of it all just settles in. kaže:
Look, kid, I’m not sure if you’re actually sharp enough to grasp what just happened here, but you really just scored an absolute sucker punch of an own goal. 🙂

Is this some kind of new tactic? It’s basically like letting one rip in a crowded elevator and then turning around to ask who did it.

Thomas Stewart97 said:I don't get how people can feast on carrion without feeling even a shred of guilt.

The issue lies within society itself. I’ve always been convinced that even during World War II, there were decent Germans out there celebrating Christmas and New Year's Day, even while Jewish people were perishing in German concentration camps. People have this innate tendency toward manipulation and collective amnesia. It's a pattern. Just as those who spent their entire lives cheering for a specific flag could transform overnight into extremists or insurgents—conveniently forgetting the bitter tears shed at the funeral of Marshall—so too will they, in twenty years or so, forget they ever consumed meat. They’ll convince themselves they’ve always been champions of a righteous, ethical society, one devoid of exploitation, abuse, or the oppression of any race or living creature.