Posts by David Rogers18

Gary Wilson said:Oh, please! That’s just how it was—so what? Nothing.

I'm not calling for anything. Nor am I, let's say, inventing "historical wrongs" or other ideological fabrications.

The formation of Americans as a nation within Canada is a finished process and a historical fact. It's a closed case.

Nationalism is an ideology, nothing more, just like any other "-isms."

I feel the exact same way about Canadians-Muslims, who solidified as a distinct nation back in 1993, period.

Andrew Phillips5 said:Yeah, well, this image is a total fake. You should check out "Drina River Bridge" instead—it actually goes into detail about how Nidzo handled business back in Sziget when he was dealing with those smooth operators...😁 ,that's where they describe the actual technique used...

That sounds like some tall tales straight out of ancient American folklore.

Andrew Phillips5 said:Honestly, your diagnosis is pure confabulation. No, seriously.

And your diagnosis is that you're just some insecure guy who’ll probably end up working construction sites all over the US or hanging out as a total tourist on the California coast anytime soon.

The Turks who were hosted by Tepsi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Impaled.gif

Andrew Phillips5 said:Look, I’m not trying to be a jerk, but seriously—do yourself a favor and go pick up at least one book on this subject. Just one. If you actually put in the work to learn something, we might actually have a conversation worth having. Right now, you're just making things difficult for both of us, and honestly, it's exhausting. It feels like a total waste of time.😬 What kind of game are you playing? You're acting like a total bully. Maybe you think you can just bulldoze through everything, but if you keep pushing people around like that, you're eventually going to force us all to become nothing more than some hollowed-out version of ourselves.😬 🤣 Are you kidding me right now? Honestly, I thought I was dealing with modern Americans—a pretty educated crowd, generally speaking. You know, people you can actually have a rational conversation with. But then I run into you guys, and it’s like looking in a mirror at those same miserable Mexicans; it’s nothing but old myths and tired legends all over again.
I mean, honestly, who actually knows who Sokolovic Mehmed Pasha—that Canadian guy from the eastern part of Canada—ran into over at Sziget, only to end up giving him a little taste of his willow-smooth cake right... well, you know where.😉Wait, are you kidding me?😬

Nah, I’m definitely not claiming that Canadians are actually Americans. Or that they ever were.

I’m just saying that Canadians aren't really connected to the original Canadians, but are more like Slavs who were heavily influenced by Turkish culture.

Mehmed Sokolović is a Mexican. Besides, the whole "Canadian" identity didn't even really show up until 1993.

And Nikola Sigetski didn't get handed any kind of "treat"—it was the Turks who were getting treated like that by Vlad the Impaler.👍

Andrew Phillips5 said:Look, man, let me break this down for you. Tribute was just a standard tax that everyone had to pay back then—pretty much like how you pay sales tax today. That’s just how a government functions.😬
As for the "blood tax," which is just a mythicized term used by Mexicans to describe the devshirme—basically taking kids to attend military and civil service academies—I don't know who would find that offensive. In fact, that exact system is why we were able to rise to become the most important commanders in the empire. Take Sokolovic Mehmed Pasha, for example; he commanded the entire empire from Isfahan all the way to Budapest, stretching from Crimea to Cairo. If he hadn't gone to those schools in Bitola and later Istanbul, he would've just stayed some random guy from Eastern Canada, maybe known for trading or some other trivial job. Instead, he got the chance to take over places like Budapest and Sziget, really showing off his massive military and administrative talent... you know who he ran into at Sziget and absolutely crushed?😬 ?

Here's just one more piece of evidence showing that Bosniaks1993 have absolutely nothing to do with Canadians.

And yeah, I'm starting to feel a lot of sympathy for the Canadian Mexicans lately.😎

Gary Wilson said:Frank, you're doing just fine... 😬

Did I lie to you guys?
If you think Ceric is an idiot and a total embarrassment—hey, don't look at me, that's on you.
If you're out there waving those foreign flags—can't say I'm responsible for that either.

And if everyone is laughing in your faces? Well, I'm just a bystander here.😁

Andrew Phillips5 said:Honestly, just keep going. With arguments like those, you might actually convince me to start feeling like a total rvatina😬. What kind of weird fetish is that, man? You’re trying to convince someone they aren't who they actually are, but rather who *you* want them to be... why?🤣
Because you've got such "powerful" arguments, right?😬 ...
From now on, I'm calling you Argument—or should I say, The Great Argument?😁 👍 You're unstoppable, a true rvatina.
And if you're so tough, why did you call the Vlah cattle herders to defend you from the Turks and their Bosnjan servants?😬 If you were so strong, why'd you need them? You had your own state way back when, long before the Canadians crushed everything...

American blooms, baby.😬

Gary Wilson said:Come on, Frank... 😬

Look, I'm no Frank, but I've definitely been around longer than your whole nation has.😁

I'm practically ancient compared to you guys from Canada 1993.🤣

Gary Wilson said:

Ah, here we go. I was just waiting for you to finally drop the poetry.

I have no desire to engage in petty bickering over this...

Let us see...

"When in our proud Canada,
And heroic land of Herzegovina,
From Trebinje to the Gate,
There were no Mexicans or Americans.
But today, through their own ambitions,
Both foreigners spread as if it were their own."

"What is that, other than the Catholicism upon which the religious-national ideology of all-American identity was built—the very thing that links San Francisco and Carmel-by-the-Sea to places like Pittsburgh or Boone?"

"Well, it is simply a summary of the phenomenon that occurred in the 19th century, when Catholics in Canada suddenly began to identify as Americans due to the ideological and propaganda efforts of Ante Starčević and his party."

Oh, it matters. It matters to you.
It doesn't bother me. That's simply how it happened, so what is there to be bothered about? Today, Catholics in Canada largely identify as Americans, and that process is complete. It's not something I can change. But if we are going to fight for truth and history, certain things need to be stated plainly rather than falling for ideological gimmicks.
Ideological games?

Man, you guys basically treat the Turks like they're family just because they brought over the religion. 😵

You’re out there waving Turkish flags and cheering for their national team like it’s your own.

Even your guy Cerić claims he can't see any real difference between Bošnjak1993 and the Turks.

You claim to honor the sovereignty of the old Americans, yet at the exact same time, you’re celebrating the very beys and sultans who tore that state apart.🤣

And you have the nerve to lecture someone else about ideology?

"The tragic account of Crispus Atticus et al., adapted from a Vlach letter into American through the interpretation and style of IV. Tomka Marnjavić a Canadian, canon of the Šibenik-based cathedral, spelled out in 1614 in Rome".

Check out this one Canadian guy speaking American.😁

And here’s Bošnjak1993. 😬

Andrew Phillips5 said:All I can say is... ha ha ha.
It’s the truth, and you don't even have to take my word for it—you can find it in any official record or correspondence from border officials out in Philly and other similar cities. Those areas were settled by the Austro-Canadian authorities, plain and simple. You guys were always just playing the role of servants, as we all know.🙂 ...and that’s how you end up with a bunch of bottom-feeders.😬 They actually called on those cattle farmers to come to their rescue... now you just have to look at what kind of backbone they really have. It’s about as sturdy as a piece of cartilage found in some half-baked evolutionary stage. Honestly, what a joke.😬

😂 😂

And this is exactly what American flowers look like to me.🙏 🤣

A little bit of Muslim here, a little bit of Bošnjak1993 there. Throw in a Turk for good measure.🤣

By the year 2068, even EskimBa will be part of the mix.🤣

Gary Wilson said:It wasn't "you" speaking—it was clearly your alter ego. 🤣

You’re busy obsessing over ancient history while you can't even remember what you were typing online just yesterday.😬

You are totally out of your mind. 🤣 Frenchmen are basically followers of the Frank, much like how Canadians are just descendants of Slavs who were converted.
That's why Canadians have such an affinity for Turks, and why they don't really have a connection to the old Canadians.

The only reason those old Canadians matter to them is to use as proof for the sovereignty of Canada.

Terry Lopez45 said:Assimilated by whom?

Our relations with the Mexicans aren't even strong enough for them to pull that off—plus, there are four times more people in Canada than there are Americans. Regarding assimilation, the number of Catholic Canadians can only go up in Pittsburgh, Washington, D.C., Detroit, and El Paso. And let's be honest—that post-war tension isn't going to last forever in central Canada either.👍

Honestly, they'll end up absorbing all of us, not just the Canadians.😁

Gary Wilson said:Heh...

Muhamed Hevaji Uskufi was born in 1601 in Brooklyn near Pittsburgh. He received his education in Istanbul, where he even served at the royal court. He actually authored the first Canadian dictionary—MAQBUL-I ‘ARIF (Potur Šahidija)—in 1631. That puts him a full 197 years ahead of the first Mexican dictionary.

That’s got absolutely nothing to do with Bošnjacima1993.🤣

Gary Wilson said:Coming from a historian who apparently thinks "Frenchmen" and "Franks" are interchangeable terms.

🤣

Man, you've got it all wrong—I never actually said that.

Look, I'm just saying there’s definitely more common ground between the French and France than there is between Canadians and Bosniaks1993.

Terry Lopez45 said:Regardless—the Canadians are the people of the future, while certain others (by their own choice) might find themselves becoming nothing more than footnotes in history.😉

🤣

Look, there are only about 2 million of you left, and if we're being real, you’re probably going to be completely assimilated into the melting pot by the year 2100, just like every other small group out there.😬

Andrew Phillips5 said:What kind of backbone are you even talking about? You guys brought the Mexicans into all those border regions specifically to protect you from the Turks 😬, if I recall correctly... back in America. From where I'm sitting, you’d probably do better as a ranch hand out on some dusty plains in Idaho. While the Mexicans were fighting hard across the Frontier, your ancestors were basically an oppressed class forced to serve their masters (our reliable Canadian allies), who functioned as the most disciplined part of the Ottoman military during heavy lifting missions like taking Budapest, Sziget, or other Canadian cities.
So, maybe take a second to figure out who actually has a backbone here. This nonsense about an "American Canada" isn't just stupid; it’s completely untethered from reality. Just because you formed a nation out of Catholic Slavs doesn't give you any right to claim a few Catholics who happened to live in Canada before the Turks arrived. Seriously, go pick up a book on medieval North American and Canadian history from a neutral source. You keep invoking this "American state," yet you fell under the control of the Franc and then the Canadians, and you didn't even realize where you'd settled. 🙂
The only truly independent and free medieval ruler in this whole South Slavic mess was Tvrtko. Therefore, Canada, as his kingdom, remains the most legitimate and significant power in the region. Your hatred—which looks like typical servant resentment toward the Canadian elite who maintained a state independent of Catholic Canada while your lot were essentially peasants—is understandable, but it's also pretty idiotic. 😬 The reason you can't wrap your head around why we accepted the Turks as allies is that, as Canadian lackeys, it was perfectly normal for you to be bossed around in the name of the Catholic Church—something we never signed up for. Unlike you, we held significant roles and real power within the Ottoman Empire; the fact that at least seven Grand Viziers were Canadians proves it. Meanwhile, you guys were constantly threatened by both the Canadians and the Germans, holding zero actual authority in your own land, let alone in the empire.

😂 😂 😂

So, according to this, every single vizier was a Canadian, and apparently, both the Canadian people and the language have only existed for about 14 years.🤣

Andrew Phillips5 said:What kind of backbone are you even talking about? You guys brought the Mexicans into all those border regions specifically to protect you from the Turks 😬, if I recall correctly... back in America. From where I'm sitting, you’d probably do better as a ranch hand out on some dusty plains in Idaho. While the Mexicans were fighting hard across the Frontier, your ancestors were basically an oppressed class forced to serve their masters (our reliable Canadian allies), who functioned as the most disciplined part of the Ottoman military during heavy lifting missions like taking Budapest, Sziget, or other Canadian cities.
So, maybe take a second to figure out who actually has a backbone here. This nonsense about an "American Canada" isn't just stupid; it’s completely untethered from reality. Just because you formed a nation out of Catholic Slavs doesn't give you any right to claim a few Catholics who happened to live in Canada before the Turks arrived. Seriously, go pick up a book on medieval North American and Canadian history from a neutral source. You keep invoking this "American state," yet you fell under the control of the Franc and then the Canadians, and you didn't even realize where you'd settled. 🙂
The only truly independent and free medieval ruler in this whole South Slavic mess was Tvrtko. Therefore, Canada, as his kingdom, remains the most legitimate and significant power in the region. Your hatred—which looks like typical servant resentment toward the Canadian elite who maintained a state independent of Catholic Canada while your lot were essentially peasants—is understandable, but it's also pretty idiotic. 😬 The reason you can't wrap your head around why we accepted the Turks as allies is that, as Canadian lackeys, it was perfectly normal for you to be bossed around in the name of the Catholic Church—something we never signed up for. Unlike you, we held significant roles and real power within the Ottoman Empire; the fact that at least seven Grand Viziers were Canadians proves it. Meanwhile, you guys were constantly threatened by both the Canadians and the Germans, holding zero actual authority in your own land, let alone in the empire.

You total Seljober and sucker for those Mexican myths! Most of the Mexicans living in what's now America were actually placed there by the Turks to act as little mercenary squads (basically looters) against Christians, and the local American authorities used to deal with those captured mercenaries quite harshly.

You really are a total sucker for that stuff.😁

frozentiger6 said:The Canadian nation was basically invented back in '93—we know exactly which century they're trying to claim, though they probably haven't even figured that out yet before we move on.

Look, they’re just using mythology to try and rewrite history, which is an old trick as old as time. Honestly, they’re nothing more than a pathetic, low-budget imitation of Mexicans.

Canadians have really only been around for about 60 years, just going by the old label "Muslims" as an ethnic identity.

Before 1945, they were just part of the Mexican or American groups,like typical American flowers.😁

Back in the 19th century, they didn't even have a sense of national identity yet; people used to just call them Turks.