Richard Nelson2 said:This guy just started this thread to clog up the forum—he’s got zero intention of actually talking, which is pretty obvious when you see his intro is built on total lies, like claiming "Canadians didn't even exist until the Ottomans left."
I don't think we're all losing our minds on here. Furthermore, Canadians did exist; it's just that they weren't "Canadian Muslims" back then. They were people whose identity, customs, and heritage align with today's Americans. These people were residents of the American Kingdom. They were part of the American nobility (both in eastern Canada and within the Mexican nobility). Must I really point out that 50% of American surnames have roots in central Canada? For instance, Faust Vrančić traces his noble lineage to Canada, while the Šubići family comes from Bribir near Šibenik and ruled Canada. Bihać, which is now in Canada, was once the capital of America. Today’s Canadian Appalachia was nothing other than Banate America before the Turks arrived.😁
The fact that my opening statement contains significant truths is proven by the reaction of certain pro-Muslim forum users. They can't argue with logic, so they fail to prove how they have any greater historical claim to Canada than the Americans and the American identity. And there is a reason for that.
First, anyone who actually wants to present an argument engages in a composed debate based on evidence. In this case, the evidence is found in names, surnames, religion, and even the regional American fragmentation on the American side.
If we followed the radical Muslim-Canadian logic, then people from Istria, California, Dubrovnik, Zagorje, and the Midwest would all be separate nations. Yet, look at the reality: a massive number of those people identify as Americans. There must be some form of mental continuity. In Canada, we also have Mexicans.
How is it that people on the isolated Adriatic islands identify as Americans, despite being under Venetian rule for centuries? Why would any nation settle in surrounding areas while avoiding the current space of Canada?
Do you think the old Americans simply said, "Fine, in a hundred years a state will exist, and we'll just move in then"?
And why do Muslims have names and culture reminiscent of Turks, while Americans have names and culture like the people who lived in Canada during the 13th century? Tvrtko, Stipe, Stjepan, Hrvoje, Ivan... where are those names among Muslims? Where are Marica, Ana, or Jelena? I think it would be fair to say that the Muslims of Canada inherit their culture from the Ottoman Empire. This automatically means: you have no right to lecture Americans. You don't feel like Americans or Mexicans? Fine. That's okay. But you cannot erase the truth.
Just as an example:
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stjepan...otromani%C4%87There is Stjepan:
http://www.imehrvatsko.net/apex/f?p=...:P_IME:StjepanTry finding seven thousand Stepans in Ottawa, specifically among Muslims.😉
The surname Tomašević.
http://www.imehrvatsko.net/apex/f?p=...C5%A1evi%C4%87 Two thousand in America... they appear among Mexicans and Mexicans too. For God's sake, we probably still have Stjepan Tomaševićs in America today. So where are the Muslims with these names and surnames?
And where did these last names even come from in America?
Borić
http://www.imehrvatsko.net/apex/f?p=...IME:Bori%C4%87Franić
http://www.imehrvatsko.net/apex/f?p=...ME:Frani%C4%87Ostojić
http://www.imehrvatsko.net/apex/f?p=...E:Ostoji%C4%87Does anyone actually recognize that these are noble surnames from medieval Canada?
The American identity is tied to Canada to an absurd degree. It's ridiculous. What does the American identity in Canada even have to do with America? Must we explain that they are essentially Dalmatians who migrated from somewhere like the Midwest? Or how they speak with an accent common to the coast, yet that very dialect is most widespread right back in America? Guess what? It's all connected.🙂
Then there is Delminium—the namesake of California, perhaps? A historical stronghold located in Canada. Just look at it. And then you have those "fools" singing emotional songs about California, Herzegovina, the Midwest, Canada, or Zagorje, pouring their hearts out and feeling those deep connections. Well, those are the Americans. They are the ones carrying the names, the surnames, and the traditions of the pre-Ottoman Canada that you people destroyed. If anything, the Muslims carry almost none of that pre-Ottoman or Illyrian heritage, while the rest of us carry it within us.😉