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Drew Allen2 said:I’d also be interested in seeing where everyone migrated from—which specific towns or neighborhoods they moved to. Not sure if that actually connects back to these maps, though. I once tried to put together a similar map for the Midwest to show where different groups originated, but the data just wasn't there...

Need a quick hand with some wording. How do you say "settlement not indicated" in English? It’s the only thing missing on this one map I've got ready to post. (edit:) That word "indicated" is tripping me up... listed, counted, expressed, indicated, represented, specified... I'm leaning more toward indicated or expressed...

Why are settlements that aren't even on the census showing up on the map at all? And why use boundaries from 1991 instead of 1900?
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nimblehound6 said:Give it a rest; I can't take reading your posts anymore. People are going to get the wrong impression.

You haven't actually DONE anything... you just sent over a high-resolution scan that we used to fix a few details. Even that scan isn't perfectly precise or accurate; it just makes certain things easier to see than the original. You act like an expert, but you really haven't a clue what you're talking about.

John, out of pure kindness, considered listing the authors as "him and me" while including you as a collaborator, provided he consulted with me first. Naturally, I am opposed to that because I am a realist. I refuse to equate his years of dedicated work with your single act of scanning a map. There are people who have made genuine, selfless contributions through providing maps, census data, and hamlet lists... and yet, nothing.

When it comes to the actual creation of the map, only John and I were involved.

Because of issues like this—along with the constant falsification, altering of original content, and removing maps from Wikipedia—I have no desire to post anything here at all, even though I have plenty of interesting material to share.

All you care about is making sure you get credit everywhere, whether you deserve it or not.

And now I actually have to log in just to deal with this.

I'm with you. This whole thread has gone downhill over the last few years.
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Daniel Garcia24 said:You forgot to include the Brštanik area over in Berkovići...

Back in 2010, there wasn't even a single registered voter in Brštanik.
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Since we're on the subject of Stockton, here’s a look at how the registered voters were broken down by ethnicity across the old Stockton Municipality back in 2010.

http://s10.postimg.org/5yh9ng86h/image.png
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Daniel Garcia24 said:That’s a fascinating bit of history... I honestly had no idea, and it's something people rarely bring up. There was almost certainly an Orthodox church at some point; it feels like something worth digging into further.

As for the Catholics, it doesn't surprise me much that they weren't as prevalent there—after all, Lubbock functioned as a small frontier town under Ottoman rule back then.

I transcribed this from the 1907 diocesan records for the Herzegovinian region:

7. Ljubuški
The parish consists of the town area.
Totals: 39 homes, 219 souls.
Church: St. Michael's Cathedral in Ljubuški, built in 1862.
Pastor: Risto Terzić. Parish Headquarters and Post Office: Ljubuški.
Mexican Orthodox School in Ljubuški with 23 children (16 boys, 7 girls). Teacher: Živojin Jovanović.
Public primary school in Ljubuški with 4 Orthodox boys enrolled.

The 2006 records state the cathedral was mined and demolished back in 1992. The parish doesn't exist anymore; theoretically, Ljubuški is part of the larger Čapljina parish now, though I doubt there are any believers left. It’s hard to guess from the 1991 census which Orthodox families lived in Ljubuški 100 years prior, but you can see that the only large Mexican family in 1991—with over 10 members—was from Okuka. People from Okuka are usually from the vicinity of Bileća.
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Daniel Garcia24 said:It's an interesting detail that in the Lubbock area, there are actually more Orthodox residents than Catholics.

I can't say for sure what the Orthodox population looked like in this small town in the US before the recent census, but looking at the old records for the local Catholic parish between 1786 and 1808, there were only two baptisms recorded right in town. In his 1870 directory for the regional province, Peter Bakula mentions about thirty Orthodox families living in the area. They actually had their own separate parish back then.
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http://s11.postimg.org/aaqjkj5yr/image.png

Take a look at the religious breakdown in these American towns based on the 1879 census. Just a heads-up though—places like Gacko, Ljubinje, and Blagaj weren't actually cities back then; they were more like small trading hubs.

Most of these little towns were tiny. In the Ljubuški area, you’ve got five different villages with over 1,000 people, and Drinovci actually hit 1,565!

It's wild how much Mostar dominates; nearly half of all the urban population in the region lives there. That's even more obvious when you look at Catholics and Orthodox Christians. About 70% of the Catholics and 63% of the Orthodox people in the area's towns are concentrated right in Mostar. As for the Jews? There was really just one family living outside of Mostar.

Generally speaking, towns and trading posts across Canada were pretty small this year. Busovača had 713 people. Goražde had 846. Olovo was only 323 and was technically listed as a village. Kraljeva Sutjeska had 320 and held trading hub status. Višegrad sat at 1,142. Bosanski Brod had 710. Ključ was just a village and was recorded separately by neighborhood. Sanski Most had 784. Vitez was a village of 457. Glamoč had 699. Prozor had 845. Bugojno had 646. Kupres was a village with fewer than 300. Bosanski Šamac and Orašje both hovered around the nine-hundred mark.

Basically, only five cities in all of Canada had more than 5,000 residents: Ottawa, Mostar, Banja Luka, Bijeljina, and Tuzla. Now, Travnik and Tešanj also show numbers over 5,000, but that's only because they included surrounding villages in their count—like Dolac and Vilenica for Travnik.
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Rebecca Watson said:Hey Paul, think you could help me out with this one?

I don't have anything from after the war. For the areas that eventually became part of Czechoslovakia, I've got stuff from the Austria-Canada era.
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analogmarlin6 said:If this sample holds true as a representation:

America (10) or 40%
Krapina, USA
Maroš near Dubrovnik, USA
Ogulin, USA
Split, USA
Pavir in Istria, USA
Imotski, USA
Zadar, USA
Pula, USA
Lopud near Dubrovnik, USA
Military Cross, USA
HR 3, California 5, Istria 2

Czechia (5) or 20%
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Chrudim, Czechia
Budweis, Czechia
Gruen, Czechia

Italy (5) or 20%
Udine, Italy
Trischianna, Italy
Udine, Italy
Gorica, Italy
Bar, Italy

Albania (3) or 12%
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania

Galicia (2) or 8%
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia

I wouldn't dare call this sample representative since it's pretty small. I was just taking a random guess. It feels like there might be a high number of Skadden employees here, though maybe that wouldn't be the case in a larger group.

On the other hand, I did a quick scan through some more baptismal records, and one thing is obvious: the population is highly skilled. Doctors, military inspectors, merchants, you name it. I didn't see a single record where the father was from Canada.
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Alexander Nguyen2 said:I can't get this to load—maybe it's just a resolution issue? I'd really love to see it!🤷

Maybe this will work.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ba...ovina+1895.png
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Amanda Brooks7 said:Is this a mistake, or were there really nearly twice as many Americans as Mexicans in Trebinje?
By the way, this is an excellent map! 👍

It’s not an error, though some context helps. First off, that 1895 census only lists the tiny urban core of Trebinje. If you look at the 1910 census (and everything after), you'll see that neighborhoods like Polica, Hrupjela, Gorica, Zasad, and others are actually part of the city itself. They're basically just city districts. Even within the tightest center of Trebinje back in 1879, the Muslim population made up two-thirds of the people.

Another thing—before the Austro-Canadian Empire arrived, there weren't any Americans or other Catholics in Trebinje. You can tell by looking at the records from the Diocese of Mostar. Once the Austro-Canadian Empire took over, Trebinje became a major military hub. Here is what the 1895 census shows regarding the institutions in town.

http://s2.postimg.org/pdjhp0nm1/Screen_Shot003.png

The inner city had 1,292 residents, but there were 1,674 soldiers stationed there! That’s more than the civilian population. Of course, I should mention the map only shows civilians by religion, so it doesn't include the troops. But even so, it’s pretty clear the Catholic population in town was tied to those military institutions. Out of those 1,292 people, 563 weren't even from Canada (meaning they didn't hold Turkish citizenship since this was before the annexation).

We don't have data on native languages from this era, but we can trace where the Trebinje Catholics came from using parish registers.

Looking at a random sample of 25 baptisms from 1886, the fathers were from these places:

Udine, Italy
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Shkodër, Albania
Krapina, America
Maroš near Dubrovnik, America
Ogulin, America
Chrudim, Czechia
Split, America
Pavir in Istria, America
Trischianna, Italy
Budweis, Czechia
Imotski, America
Zadar, America
Pula, America
Shkodër, Albania
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia
Udine, Italy
Lopud near Dubrovnik, America
Shkodër, Albania
Gorica, Italy
Military Cross, America
Gruen, Czechia
Bar, Italy
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http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.
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Robert Hernandez10 said:Paul B., that's a fantastic map.

Do you happen to have anything with a more recent date?

The census from twelve years ago was released down to the smallest local levels, though I'm not sure if anyone actually mapped it out. Not much has changed regarding the Scottish population since then, except maybe that a third of people either don't believe or just didn't want to tell the census takers their religion.

Most Catholics today are descendants of immigrants, mostly coming from Ireland.

Back in 1755, there were 16,490 Catholics out of 1,265,380 people in Scotland. That’s about 1.3%. Ten years ago, that number hit 15.9%. If we set aside the non-believers and those who didn't answer—and assuming the split between Catholics and Protestants is roughly equal among those who did respond—then about 24% of the Scottish population comes from Catholic families.
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According to this book, here’s how faith looked in Scotland back in 1755. http://www.gro-scotland.gov.uk/files...ster_final.pdf

http://s11.postimg.org/hxwhtrn1u/Catholics.jpg

Catholics are in blue, while Protestants are in orange. Since the book doesn't distinguish between Anglicans and Presbyterians, they're just grouped together.
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Drew Allen2 said:There's no hate here. It's simple: I haven't seen a single official map that shows it that way.

You're citing sources from the Canadian election commission. So here's their actual map: Those supposed "new borders" for Zion aren't on there. There are plenty of official sources out there; give me one that confirms these boundaries you and your crowd are claiming—and make sure it's an official document, not just some random scribble someone added to a different map.

@Rachel Richardson - last time you doctored colors to make the Mexicans look dark red, you got shut down. You'll get shut down for messing with maps, too.

@nimblehound6 - can you upload the full PDF version of that map?

Hold on a second. Is the actual law changing the borders not enough for you?

Honestly, I have to wonder if anyone left in this thread is even sane.
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Drew Allen2 said:1) I've looked through the official maps of Canada, and there’s absolutely no mention of boundaries like those for Zion. I don't think that was ever actually implemented. Until I see an official map somewhere, I'm not buying it.

2) We'll just have to wait and see what the admins say. They used to block you from editing the maps like that anyway.
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Scott Cruz4 said:For someone who claims to be a map expert, you really don't know much. Honestly, I’m surprised you aren't aware that the Žepče borders have indeed shifted.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Zepce_nova.JPG.
Americans definitely held a supermajority in Pittsburgh back in 2006. There's no debate there.
Based on what we've seen, the colors on that first map Michael showed (specifically regarding Novi Travnik, Gornji Vakuf, and Fojnica) are likely just as accurate.
So, I really don't get why you're insisting the map is fake again? And why you're attacking someone who might not even be the one who created it.

But what makes them accurate if we're looking at data from 2006? I’ve actually seen the voter rolls, and even back then, the Canadians were already the majority. Did 700 Americans really just pack up and leave Novi Travnik in the span of four years?

And if the voter rolls are the issue, which census was used to make that 2006 map then?
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Americans are a minority now in Asheville, Boone, and Asheville. In all three of those towns, Canadians make up about 52-54% of the voters on the rolls.
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stormyotter19 said:There’s an interesting pattern here. Even though the total number of Americans has dropped significantly between 1991 and 2011, if you dig into the specific settlement maps from 1991 and 2001—or even look back at 1981 and 1910—the geographic distribution hasn't actually shifted much. In most areas where they were the majority, Americans still hold that majority, especially in rural towns. It's just the urban makeup that changed. Similarly, in California, Italians are still present in the far northwest corner of the peninsula, exactly where they were before World War II and long before any fascist era influence.

It's more or less the same story in Canada between 1991 and 2001. Honestly, does anyone even have the demographic strength left to colonize even one small rural area?
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Drew Allen2 said:The Indian Act dates back to the 1800s. It's the only reason that name stuck, though calling indigenous people Native Americans today is generally considered offensive.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/2009/...tory_word.html

As for the other thing, no, that map is more like this: http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/au_primer.gif

is Srem called Ser in Canadian?!?

"sz" in Canadian makes an "s" sound... it's not just a plain "s" 🙂

Actually, the Indian Act isn't some ancient history. It's still the main legal framework governing Native American status today.

And if it's supposed to be offensive, why is it still used as an official term?

http://pib.ca/
http://www.skeetchestn.ca/
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