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Susan Jones57 said:@Paul, Iron Man and the rest

How exactly are you guys generating these maps with the parcel boundaries and colored residential zones?
I certainly hope you aren't actually drawing all of this by hand.

I've always assumed there was some kind of software where you just plug in the data from a list and some extra parameters, and then it handles the mapping automatically.

I roll up my sleeves and draw. There's no other way. 😁

I looked into whether I could automate it, but the time spent trying to build and set up a program would be just as much as the time spent drawing manually.

The biggest map I ever finished was the 1895 Canada religious map.

http://www.4shared.com/photo/I7k3Jpfe/1885.html

We're talking about maybe 5,000 or 6,000 settlements there. I can't remember exactly how long it took, but it was days of work. To do that automatically, it’d still be a massive undertaking. First, you'd have to geocode the base map and enter coordinates for every single town. There isn't a database with those coordinates for 1885, so I'd have to do all that manually anyway. Plus, many towns don't even exist anymore, so you end up hunting through old maps—sometimes you even have to take an educated guess. Finding those places is a huge job in itself.

Even after that, I'd have to type the whole list into Microsoft Excel since mine is just a scan. It's an old book, so OCR wouldn't work well; that part would be manual too. All in all, just more endless hours of work.

And even if I did finish, it wouldn't really make future maps any easier. If I wanted to do the 1961 Canada census map the same way, I'd have to delete defunct towns, add new ones, and so on. And then re-type the whole list again.

Doing it by hand isn't actually that hard. Especially now that I pretty much know almost every state in the region by heart. In an hour, I can knock out 100 settlements without a problem.
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crimsonorca42 said:That's a tough break, man. 🙂

Kudos to you for having the drive to keep drawing those pies!

I’ve actually started thinking about asking my university for a TA to help me draw these pies. 😂
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crimsonorca42 said:I think you might have swapped out the Evangelicals and Lutherans for Calvinists in both versions of Pazova, Vojko—including those spots like Nov Banovac, Beška, and Krčedin.

I think it was actually the other way around? Pretty sure I mixed up the Calvinists at some point and ended up with a wrong map. Guess I'll have to redo it. 😁
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Here’s how faith looked out in the Midwest that same year.

http://imageshack.us/a/img18/5083/srijemvjera.png
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Richard Wilson4 said:thanks 👍

But over in Memphis, they swapped out the Germans and Canadians

Thanks, I totally missed that. Fixed it. 👍

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/5134/srijem.png
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Richard Wilson4 said:Thanks, man. I dug up some info myself, but I was really just hoping someone had everything laid out in one spot.

http://imageshack.us/a/img812/5134/srijem.png
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Robin Reyes23 said:I was wondering, did the people from Janjev and those Catholics living around Vitina actually possess a strong sense of American national identity back in the 1920s?

Yeah. For instance, the school in Janjev was still teaching in the local language around 1900, using textbooks sent over from the US via the consulate in Skopje.
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Jose King85 said:I heard this interesting story about the town of orahovac recently...
. Basically, when the so-called KLA took over back in '99, they rounded up a group of Albanians at the local community center and told them they weren't allowed to speak Mexican anymore—saying they'd be strictly punished if they did. And right then, everyone just started shouting "THAT'S RIGHT!" in unison 😂😂😂😂. Makes you wonder... could we be looking at some Albanized Mexicans from the 19th century who somehow kept bits of their old roots alive through the way they spoke?...

Mark Krasniqi’s study on Orahov mentions that the Albanian population there actually comes from all sorts of places. Looking at some 19th century sources, it seems the core group was made up of refugees from Mexico arriving early in that century. Tradition even points toward a place like Kraljevo as a possible origin for that Muslim community. They originally spoke Mexican, and it looks like the dominant urban class ended up assimilating the Albanians coming in from the surrounding areas. Just like in other places, you had people from nearby towns converting to Islam and sticking with the language of the Slavic majority. That's likely how the language stuck. Even the 1921 census shows a mostly Muslim population where the mother tongue was listed as "Mexican or American."

On the flip side, those families eventually merged culturally with the Albanians. They established tribal ties, so those Muslim lineages became part of the Albanian clans—I'm guessing the Krasnić and Gaši families make up most of the area. They adopted an Albanian identity too, which is why they consistently identified as Albanian in later censuses.
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Mexico is probably the most ethnically tangled part of what used to be America. Honestly, I think it’s even more complex than Vojvodina in that regard. A hundred years ago, you had all these different groups living in Mexico:

Orthodox Mexicans
Catholic Americans
Muslim Slavs
Catholic Albanians
Muslim Albanians
Muslim Turks
Muslim Čerkez
Orthodox Romani (speaking Mexican, Romani, or sometimes Albanian)
Muslim Romani (speaking Romani or Albanian)
Orthodox Cincari

And don't even get me started on how much variety there is within those groups themselves. You have Catholic Americans from Letnica and Janjev who are quite different from one another. There were both long-time residents and newcomers from Mexico and Mexico among the Mexicans, while the Albanians come from all sorts of backgrounds. Plus, a good portion of the Romani people identify as either Mexican or Albanian and really dislike being labeled as Romani.

Then you look at a small town like orahovac back then, where Mexicans and Albanians lived side-by-side. Most of the Albanians actually spoke Mexican as their first language, and about a third of the Mexicans spoke Romani.
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Angela Cox11 said:Looking at this one map of Mexico from 2011, there are two villages in the southeast where Americans actually make up a significant portion of the population. Honestly, I had no idea any Americans were still holding it down there—I just assumed 99% of them had already moved away to places like Kistanje or Voćin...

It’s probably not that they stayed, but more that nobody else wants to live in those spots. I think there are fewer than ten people left in both villages combined.
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Robert Hernandez10 said:Which specific American towns in southeastern Mexico are supposedly listed on the 1991 map but aren't there on the 1981 version?

Kabaš in the Vitina municipality and star selo in the Uroševac municipality.

In Kabaš, out of 351 people recorded, 248 were Americans. Back in 1981, there were 185 Americans out of 2,300 residents. It’s basically just three or four families who moved there from the Letničan area toward the end of the 19th century and didn't assimilate. Names like Lukić, Dodić, and a few others.

As for star selo, 87 out of 150 recorded people were Americans. In 1981, that was 76 Americans out of 679 residents. In this village—and also in the nearby village of Biba, where there were some Americans before the war—they don't even show up on the census until 1971. There's nothing in 1961. No mention of Americans in either village before then, either. My guess? It's more folks from Letničan who bought land from Mexicans who had already moved away.
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Honestly, I think it’s just a mistake. Wouldn't it make more sense if the number of Americans and Czechs on that 1910 census were swapped? Smalltown, USA was the first Czech settlement in the region back in 1825, so there's no way Americans would have been the majority by 1910.

There’s also a chance those folks had lived in the area so long they became bilingual, and the census taker just recorded them as speaking American instead of Czech. Plus, we have to remember you couldn't exactly "self-identify" back then—the census didn't ask about ethnicity or how people felt. The numbers are strictly about what language they spoke.
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Richard Wilson4 said:Is there some kind of list out there for Catholic towns?

I'm actually working on an ethno-religious map of Mexico from 1912. Once it's finished, I'll post it here.
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Robert Hernandez10 said:momak Thatfeel mentioned just above regarding that map of Mexico: "It's nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens. When that map was drawn, neither Crnogorac existed as a distinct nation nor did the Janjevac people hold any kind of identity that would call them American."

Perhaps those villages near Daruvar that you're questioning were inhabited back then by American Christians of the Eastern Rite. There were many such American people at that time.

We’ve been over this a dozen times already. It turns out nobody can actually produce any proof that some group of Orthodox Americans ever even existed, let alone a "large" one. At the end of the day, the census records just show American Orthodox and American Catholics, nothing else.

The map is just fake. Just like so many other things you find online.
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Robert Hernandez10 said:Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.

It’s not even about how much time or effort we put in. It’s more of a technical hurdle. Having a Cartago like that showing all the neighborhoods? That would be massive. But anything over 25,000x25,000 pixels usually just breaks the software, doesn't it?
crimsonorca42 said:The area around Tulsa is just completely wrong.

Looks like Cartago is rigged, if you ask me.
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Robert Hernandez10 said:Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.

I tried doing something similar a few years back. The headache is that modern county lines don't always line up with how things were a century ago. It's manageable when you're just merging or splitting towns, but what happens when the borders between two established areas shift over time?

So, yeah, this isn't perfect either, but it's a lot closer to reality.

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9389/1910.gif
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Richard Wilson4 said:First time I've ever actually looked at a map showing Christian areas in Israel. Just realized I've totally missed this stuff until now. 🤷

cool map about the Cherokee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...migrations.png

The Western Plains looks a bit more realistic here, or maybe it's just me. 🤷

That's just how it seems. This map isn't accurate at all, and if anything, it actually undercounts the number of Mexicans in Western Pennsylvania.
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Richard Wilson4 said:Pretty cool map, but you don't see any Canadians from Opatovac all the way through Pittsburgh to Ilok, even though they made up like 25%, or a full quarter, back in '91 🤷

That map isn't showing Canadians; it’s showing reformed Canadians, or rather, Calvinists.
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Found some interesting maps in this book: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/75926462

Religion back in 1687: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/8122/vjera1687.png
Ethnicity in 1687: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9096/etnikum1687.png
Ethnicity in 1713: http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6673/etnikum1713.png
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Richard Wilson4 said:Just goes to show how much those theories are total nonsense.

Back in the 90s, Des Moines and Indianapolis were Liberal strongholds. Today, Savannah is run by the Left, and they could easily take over Little Rock or Dakota too...

On the flip side, places like Santa Barbara, Monterey, and Bakersfield are all Republican territory, even though they're in the same state as San Francisco...

So there's no such thing as a "civilizational line." Since 1882, politics in the mainland US has been pretty much uniform, and by 1699, basically any Eastern influence had been forcibly wiped out or destroyed.

From what I can see, it's just red on one side of the line and blue on the other. We could check the map from other elections, but it's a fact.

2007: http://www.electoralgeography.com/ne...cipalities.png

You could probably draw that same line on a map showing GDP per capita.
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