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Anyway, Andrew Booth29, what’s your take on this claim from Pernar regarding libertarians and the monetary system?
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Andrew Booth29 said:Look, property is property, an owner is an owner, and theft is—well, theft. Isn't it?Since you're so obsessed with it, here's a little moral hazard for you:😬 how do you stop people in key banking positions from acting rationally when they know the government will just bail them out if they screw up because it absolutely has to?
The solution is to ensure the government doesn't bail them out. I honestly don't get why taxpayers would be "extracting" money from banks? If you have a problem with that, go write a letter to your local Congressman. In the US, the situation is actually the exact opposite—it's the banks that are bleeding the government dry.
Nicole Gomez38 said:Every single libertarian out there is pushing to dismantle this criminal monetary setup and hand control back to the government.
In America, you can't pull that off without nationalizing the banks—which we could achieve just by tweaking tax laws. We’d essentially squeeze the banks into losses until foreign owners get tired of paying for endless bailouts and just hand the keys over to the state.
And let's be clear: I'm not talking about those old-school, communist-style expropriations.
You also have to realize that what I’m proposing for the banks is exactly what the government is already doing to us—taking nearly 40% of our paychecks while people are barely keeping their heads above water.
@"On the other hand, debt default shouldn't really worry the borrowers, but rather the lenders."
Yeah, sure—that's easy to say when the bank isn't seizing your entire paycheck or kicking you out of your house.
PS: Nationalizing banks isn't some "communist" plot. Sweden did it back in '92 during their credit crisis, which was pretty similar to what we're facing now; France pulled the same move in '82. If you want to see how this has been handled globally, do some digging.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalization
George Barrett35 said:These would essentially be the processing fees for handling transfers or deposits, which basically means they're charged to the account holder.
Actually, any deposits made into non-resident accounts are handled via wire transfer protocols and are treated almost identically to international transfers, so depending on which bank you're using, the fees are pretty much the same.
Andrew Booth29 said:And what about the people who actually put their money in, only to find the fund is empty? I believe Chile privatized their pension system—we really ought to take a closer look at how they structured that transition.
Maria Thomas48 said:The data on non-credit money demand basically shows one thing. It just can't act as a substitute for taxation.
Real backing for non-credit money comes from active production, not just sitting around doing nothing. You have to actually earn non-credit money; it only represents a small slice of a product's total price. Basically, it’s the profit that isn't immediately reinvested—it's how you turn surplus value into new capital. If you let that accumulate, you can use it for future investments, which means you won't need to inject as much non-credit money into the system later on. This is exactly what Mr. Stole was getting at. It’s the cycle everyone talks about: working, saving, and then investing. But that only works if the amount of non-credit money being issued is exactly what is actually needed.
Because of that whole idea that you shouldn't get something for nothing, social assistance shouldn't just be handed out for free. It really should require some kind of community service in return. I know there are already some small towns over in the States where they actually implement this kind of thing.
Funding a war—or even just defense—is an exceptional circumstance in any stable nation, provided all the other laws actually hold up. To be honest, I couldn't care less about what happens to the economy during wartime.
It’s pretty obvious that you need actual work backing up your cash flow. If someone is pulling in massive profits without doing much real labor, they’re essentially just inflating the currency—especially when they’re dealing directly with the government. My take is that any company wanting to land federal contracts in the future should have to agree to profit caps based on their total revenue. This shouldn't just apply to the big corporations either; it needs to extend to their suppliers and employees too. The government simply can't afford to be reckless with spending. When they are, it just ends up siphoning wealth away from the entire community and concentrating it into the hands of a tiny few.
I’m not saying all this because I'm some kind of dreamer or because I wish things worked this way. It isn't about idealism. These are just logical conclusions drawn from the equations. Money only actually holds value if it is literally earned through work. That is what gives it any real standing against another currency.
I’ve already mentioned my thoughts on using the velocity of money as a fix for liquidity shortages. But what I really need is some clarity here. If we assume the velocity of money increases by 4% every single year—and stays that way indefinitely—then the math gets interesting. At that rate, the velocity should double every 17 years or so. Following that logic, over an 85-year span, you’re looking at a 32-fold increase in speed.
Advocating for the way things are right now is just plain crazy. There’s no way for the current system to actually offset inflation, other than through exponential borrowing—which we already know is impossible to pay back. Every time they hike up wages, it just speeds up our slide toward a total collapse. At the end of the day, inflation is just what happens when credit expands, and that expansion only happens because people can't settle their debts without taking out even bigger loans. It's basically the Davor Šuker method. That's just how it works.
Without credit, the whole system would just grind to a halt within a few years, sliding straight into deflation and recession. It’s inevitable. It happens the moment lenders decide to tighten the tap. But here is the thing. That move would basically be suicide for them too, because once that starts happening, people will finally start looking for actual alternatives. That is exactly why Greece was handed those loans—it was just a way to buy more time. It is the same reason they come up with these bank taxes. They keep inventing new things just to stall for time. Reducing the budget deficit is just another one of those fabrications used to keep the clock ticking.
When you realize that a community's entire profit engine relies on exports, outside investments, and running a budget deficit, then everything becomes clear. It's just how the math works out. When we cut back on the deficit, the community ends up walking away with less profit. It's just how it works. You tighten the belt, you lose that extra cushion. Simple as that.It’s just going to drag more companies straight into bankruptcy. You’d have to offset that somehow—maybe through massive exports, new investments, or just piling on even larger amounts of debt. But honestly, the only way for the community to actually see a steady stream of cash profit is through a budget deficit. Of course, that has to be non-credit based. These are just facts. Even the famous economists don't really grasp this, and they spend half their time arguing for a balanced budget instead.
It’s kind of strange, isn't it? You can only really find information about non-credit money online. Not a single mainstream news outlet seems to care about it. All these claims about how unsustainable the system is... they aren't backed up by any actual math. If people actually laid out the mathematics—just like I have done here—solutions would show up immediately.
Here is that derivation again, which holds true for a closed community without credit:
Best,
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I’ve been sitting here thinking about how much everything seems to be shifting lately, almost like we're all just watching a slow-motion train wreck that everyone insists is actually a parade. It’s one of those days where you look at the news or scroll through whatever nonsense is trending on social media and realize that the collective attention span of this country has basically evaporated, leaving us all drifting in this sea of superficiality. You see people shouting into the void, convinced they’re making some grand stand, when really they’re just adding to the white noise that defines modern life. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting older and more tired of the constant churn, but there’s a certain heaviness to the way things move now, a sense that we’re all just spinning our wheels in the mud while pretending we’re winning a race. It doesn't really matter what anyone says, because the momentum is already set, and we're all just along for the ride, whether we want to be or not. kaže:
I’m talking about the ultra-wealthy, those people sitting on mountains of cash, because if they actually decide to stop spending, it triggers this massive domino effect where everything just grinds to a halt and consumer demand hits rock bottom.
Look, the reality is pretty simple: we have to figure out how to motivate the healthy ones—and by "healthy," I obviously mean the wealthy—to actually start spending, investing, or donating their capital, because let’s be honest, if the money stays stagnant, nothing moves. It is blindingly obvious that you need a catalyst somewhere to get the gears turning, and it has to start with those who have the most to give.
I mean, I honestly assume it’s just regular folks who paved the way for someone to walk away with that kind of cash in the first place. You could probably argue it from the opposite angle if you really wanted to get pedantic about it, but regardless of how you slice it, we’re all stuck in some sort of symbiosis with one another, whether we realize it or not.