The start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)
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bluerider63 said:The Russians are definitely losing now
So I guess there won't be any more new adult films coming out of Russia then.🤣
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bluerider63 said:The Russians are definitely losing now
Thomas Nelson25 said:Hey, Mr. Gambler...
The market will decide... and the Chinese are definitely going to be looking for a discount.
Remember watching him on those news segments? Just looked like a little mouse standing next to the Chinese Party leader.
nimbletiger7 said:Oil and gas prices even dropped yesterday because people realized Putin has to sell more fuel now just to fund the war. It seems Russians are selling oil at a $12 discount compared to Brent.
Tyler Jones6 said:I disagree—if Japanese industry can handle it, then Germany certainly should be able to as well, given they rely on LNG too.
Jeremy Peterson4 said:Russia claims they're only hitting military targets. Well, sure, if you consider the entire city of Kyiv a legitimate military target.
just another missile slamming into an apartment building.
rowdytiger13 said:And Germany?
They’re probably busy debating if they should send another 500 helmets.
Larry Walker24 said:Why is everyone freaking out over the proposal to kick Russia off SWIFT?
https://news.example.com/economy/details-5716718
Are there any actual alternatives to SWIFT?
Well, Russia has already gone ahead and built its own workaround by developing its own messaging service: the System for Transfer of Financial Messages (SPFS). Currently, about 400 Russian banks are plugged into SPFS. According to Fitch Ratings, roughly 20 percent of their domestic payments have been processed through this system so far.
That said, international banks rarely touch the thing. Ever since it was launched back in 2014 as a response to the situation in Crimea, Russia has been trying to link Chinese and Iranian banks to it.
Another option is the Chinese payment system, CIPS. But even then, banks use it for international transfers significantly less than they use SWIFT. However—and this is the kicker—Fitch emphasizes that banning Russian banks from SWIFT could actually accelerate the development of CIPS and other SWIFT alternatives.
brightheron64 said:Honestly, Hmh, it feels like you just have to take a massive detour to avoid reading Index altogether... 👎
At this point, Forum.hr actually ends up being the most reliable source of information out there, and I am being completely serious about that...
Nathan Morris3 said:Scott Rodriguez19, I don't really have a glowing opinion of Merkel either. I mean, it's easy to say that under Merkel, Germany didn't send any less weaponry to Islamists than what happened here in America. But I think it's crazy that Merkel is being attacked not because of the actual arming of extremists or destabilization, but because she actually tried to help those people. Sure, mistakes were made, and a lot of shady characters slipped into the government, which obviously isn't good. But you have to wonder about someone's character when they attack an attempt at humanitarian aid instead of attacking destruction itself. So, your whole hyperbole about the thief and the guy holding the ladder—knowing full well the thief is stealing—is kind of a miss to me. You seem "worried" about what's happening in Germany, but with the way values seem to be shifting on this Forum, problems in Germany are probably the least of it. This kind of mainstream shortsightedness is doing way more damage to Europe and European values than migrants ever could.
Nathan Morris3 said:Scott Rodriguez19, I don't really have a glowing opinion of Merkel either. I mean, it's easy to say that under Merkel, Germany didn't send any less weaponry to Islamists than what happened here in America. But I think it's crazy that Merkel is being attacked not because of the actual arming of extremists or destabilization, but because she actually tried to help those people. Sure, mistakes were made, and a lot of shady characters slipped into the government, which obviously isn't good. But you have to wonder about someone's character when they attack an attempt at humanitarian aid instead of attacking destruction itself. So, your whole hyperbole about the thief and the guy holding the ladder—knowing full well the thief is stealing—is kind of a miss to me. You seem "worried" about what's happening in Germany, but with the way values seem to be shifting on this Forum, problems in Germany are probably the least of it. This kind of mainstream shortsightedness is doing way more damage to Europe and European values than migrants ever could.
Nathan Morris3 said:So, it’s pretty much the same story across most of the Western world. The economy grows, wealth increases, living standards go up, and people live longer... but the average person doesn't really see any of those benefits. You might point the finger at Merkel, but I think it's just how our version of capitalism works.
Nathan Morris3 said:It's wild. America is basically on the brink of bankruptcy yet we're sending weapons to extremists, which feels like pouring gasoline on a fire. We're getting tangled up in stuff that shouldn't even be our business. Meanwhile, we blame Germany when they're actually trying to help people fleeing the very conflict our weapons are fueling. And then there's us, mocking how Germany might fail while we're still stuck arguing over old civil war factions. Does that sound totally insane to anyone else? Or is it just me? 😁
Nathan Morris3 said:I guess I'm just here to chat. Maybe we can talk about something fun? says:
Come on, Nathan Morris3, stop talking nonsense. I mean, just a year ago you were saying the exact same thing—that Europe needs those refugees because the population in the EU is shrinking.
I mentioned that Europe could really use refugees who are educated and can adapt easily. Since the population in the US is aging and we're short on young people, I guess it makes sense. What part exactly do you disagree with?I guess the EU is just falling apart now, even though they kept insisting there was absolutely no other way to do things. It reminds me of how people felt under Erich Honecker—they kept saying there were no alternatives either, until everyone finally had enough and took to the streets.
It’s kind of sad, I guess, that everyone blames someone else for all the mess going on in the EU—and I don't just mean the refugee situation. It's not like she just stepped into office yesterday. If you weren't up to the task back in 2012, well... maybe. Personally, I think I would've been fired a long time ago if I were that incompetent. I'll give her credit for one thing, though; she's definitely good at staying in power, even if she isn't really capable of much else. That's probably her only real talent.
She basically surrounded herself with yes-men who just backed her and her lack of any real policy—it kind of reminds me of how things worked back in East Germany. I guess we should remember that quote from Martin Schulz about how what refugees bring is more valuable than gold. And when he was running for the top EU spot, it was Angela Merkel who really pushed him forward.
There were honestly just so many more of those silly comments from politicians who seem to be totally sucking up to Angela Merkel. I guess.
Honestly, I guess Germany has really fallen behind under Merkel. The economy seems to be tanking, and people just aren't doing as well as they used to. Standard of living feels lower... maybe it's all on Merkel.
Nathan Morris3 As follows:
Look, I already stated in my previous post—though maybe you missed it—that I am personally, yes, a man, quite apprehensive about walking into certain neighborhoods. Perhaps that detail escaped you. If I were looking to carry some kind of personal alarm, I’d certainly want one; it's not like a woman is the only one who should be concerned. It isn't anything out of the ordinary to feel this way. Truth be told, security used to be at a much higher standard, but now we're dealing with a significant amount of trouble stemming from individuals tied to tribal cultures—I've already laid all of that out. As for your question regarding whether one "should" take precautions... I’m not entirely sure what you mean by that phrasing, but if it provides any sense of comfort—then yes, one absolutely should. And is it tragic that things have devolved to this point? Absolutely. I don't really grasp the point of asking that—I assume we can all agree on that, right?
I believe I already made that point clear in my previous commentary—it’s right there in the text above. The issue is quite fundamental: migrants arriving from tribalistic or deeply patriarchal societies face significant hurdles when it comes to actually assimilating or even grasping our core American values. It just doesn't happen overnight, I guess.
Nathan Morris3 said:Why won't they talk about what's actually causing this? I mean, sure, more controls might help, but we have to address the root issues. How many assaults actually happened in Cologne? And even economic migrants have their own reasons for moving. It usually boils down to exploitation and colonialism. We’re basically just reaping what our leaders planted. Whether it’s Winston Churchill or Angela Merkel, it's all the same. Everyone acts blind to the fallout from a century of policy; they can't see past skin color or what's happening in Cologne. They just don't care about the causes. You could build a minefield around Germany, but if you don't face the source, you're just sweeping the mess under the rug for the next generation to deal with. No one ever took responsibility for us sending weapons to extremists back in the day. Now, it feels like Merkelica is the only one left to deal with policies forced on her by the Clintons and other jerks.
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Nathan Morris3 said:It’s not like there’s proof someone didn't poison the water supply with drugs to brainwash people into voting for candidate XX, right? I guess we have to remember the topic was IRREGULARITIES. The court was checking if those mistakes happened, if they could theoretically change things, and if they actually did. The Constitution says elections need a redo if there's proof irregularities changed the outcome, but even though there wasn't really any evidence of that, the court just made its call.
There isn't a single shred of evidence for actual manipulation, so... yeah, that's pretty much where it stands.The fact that letters were opened a day early by unauthorized people😁, maybe doesn't even need to be proven as manipulation if it counts as an irregularity.
I think there's a huge difference between an irregularity and manipulation. An irregularity is just sloppy work—really sloppy this time, I guess. Manipulation is a crime, you know, when there's intent. I'm not sure what you mean by "enough," but the Constitutional Court said that the Department of Homeland Security leaking results to reporters before 5:00 PM was enough to trigger a re-vote. Even if that happens almost every election, I suppose the law is the law.
Nathan Morris3 said:I guess I still think Hofer is pretty bad news for the United States of America, just like maybe Van der Bellen might feel he's harmful, so what? I wrote what I wrote and laid out my points. You can try to lie and claim I said there weren't any irregularities—which is a huge stretch since I actually said there were—but for the sake of a decent debate, could you please just quote me if you disagree? It’s kind of tough having to defend myself against things I never even said. Whatever. Yeah, the Republican Party are losers, and I suppose it was fine that they reported issues, but I think it was a mistake to try and overturn the election when they knew there wasn't any proof of fraud. But oh well, the Supreme Court made the right call. We'll just have another round and everyone will be happy, which is probably what matters most.
Quincy:Like I said—there’s just no proof of any manipulation. Then you get some smart aleck on the forum starting up all these conspiracy theories about rigged systems. I mean, it was pretty obvious there would be repeats if they found that many issues at the polling stations; I think I even mentioned that before. It feels like the same sloppy mistakes happening every election cycle. The Republican Party and everyone else should definitely report those errors, and I’m all for that. But calling for entirely new elections because of those slip-ups? I guess that might be a bit much. Still, if they already pushed to void the results, I think the Supreme Court made the right call.
The Supreme Court made sure to point out that they didn't find any proof that anyone actually rigged the election results, I guess. It looks like those confirmed irregularities messed with about 77,926 votes that might have gone to either Hofer or Van der Bellen—so, I guess that’s technically enough to flip the whole election result."
There isn't any hard evidence yet, but I guess some irregularities have been flagged... maybe? Maybe, I guess. So, that’s about 77,000 votes at stake. I guess you still think Hoffer's appeal doesn't have any merit? Maybe.
Someone’s always going to nitpick over small stuff just to score some points, I guess. It’s nothing new. The issue is that since the margin was so thin, they're pushing for another round. So, I think you're looking at it the wrong way; the appeal isn't baseless. I mentioned there were irregularities, and after the Supreme Court looked into the number of precincts involved, they made the right call. But asking for a total redo of the election feels a bit like a Spaniard demanding a rematch against Germany just because the game kicked off 30 seconds late. If it had started on time, maybe the result would have changed, or maybe not—we don't really have proof either way—but hey, rules are rules. You don't rerun a ballgame over formalities, but elections are a much bigger deal. In a democracy, I suppose deciding to hold them again is probably the right move.
Nathan Morris3 said:Whether you mean it or not, I think you're being a bit dishonest there. You mentioned "irregularities or manipulations during the election that clearly existed (confirmed by the Supreme Court of Austria)." So, I guess it's not quite right... the court confirmed there were irregularities, but using the word "manipulation" feels a little biased to me. The court didn't actually confirm that part, so maybe we shouldn't make things up.There’s definitely a distinction between the two, though it’s tough to say exactly when an error turns into actual manipulation—especially since proving intent is such a headache. Even if the court officially announced they found no proof of fraud, that doesn't necessarily mean nothing happened, especially when you look at those suspicious irregularities alongside such a razor-thin margin. I guess there’s enough there to warrant some doubt.
I guess you're just making excuses now. What kind of conspiracy theories are you even talking about? The court ruled based on the evidence provided, and since there’s zero proof of any tampering, the verdict isn't about manipulation at all—you might just have to accept that. Manipulation and unfairness are two totally different things in legal terms, especially when we're discussing the judiciary. I don't really get why you're trying to overcomplicate things like this.So, are you really saying the court is being used as a political tool? That's a pretty heavy accusation, I guess.
Man, please read what you’re responding to. I didn't say the court was being instrumentalized. And even if I had, what's the big deal? I mean, Sanders instrumentalized the court too (and his own trial) just to score political points. Maybe you're overreacting a bit with all this talk about "serious accusations"?I guess it's also pretty tough to expect a court to just come out and say an election was full of irregularities. Some countries and their institutions really care about their reputation, so they'll probably just use some pragmatic excuse about acting "in the interest of democratic stability" instead of actually admitting there were issues.
Maybe we could just move all the conspiracy theories over to a different thread? I guess.I mean, having irregularities in 94 out of 117 precincts... that's actually a pretty big deal, I guess. It feels serious enough that even the Supreme Court of Austria could potentially flip the whole election result.
Of course, that's why they made their ruling, and I think it's fine. An irregularity would be something like counting ballots at 11:00 PM instead of 9:00 AM just because people didn't want to wait around anymore. There could be 500 little things like that where the procedure wasn't strictly followed, even if there's zero proof that the timing actually changed the election results. But I guess the court just wants everything to be spotless, which is okay. You're spinning these conspiracy theories and throwing around words like "manipulation," but come on.So, I guess it might be a bit bold to say that a runoff election would definitely end with the exact same winner.
The real question is whether we're looking at a bad loser or just the wrong winner...
I mentioned before that it's tough to call, but if there isn't any proven manipulation, then maybe the result stays the same if everyone votes just like they did last time. It’s hard to know how people who change their minds or new voters might act, though. I guess since no candidate has really messed up big time yet, and you have someone like Kern coming out and effectively chipping away at the Republican Party, it's tricky. Plus, I'm not really sure what kind of impact Brexit might actually have here.
Nathan Morris3 said:So, I guess I'm saying comparing this to soccer is silly because this is way more heavy-duty. Maybe they'll have to redo the elections, and you can't just ignore irregularities that theoretically could have changed the outcome (even if they probably didn't).
I don't really get what you mean about voiding votes? People filled out their ballots correctly, so why punish them by throwing away a vote they handed in perfectly fine? I guess your logic is a bit fuzzy—would it feel fair to you if someone tossed your vote just because someone else messed up the process? The election law defines what counts as a valid ballot, and you can't just invalidate votes just because Scott Rodriguez19 thinks they should be gone. You know? We have to follow the law. It's a bummer they didn't follow it during the first round, but I don't see how bypassing the law now makes any sense.
There isn't a perfect solution, I suppose. I was wondering if they could just redo things in the specific spots where the errors happened (like how it works back home), but even that feels a little off. If you call people back to vote again, then everyone's vote suddenly carries more weight than it did the first time. Plus, if you hold a redo, you have to invite everyone, which means you might get a totally different group of voters than the first time. But maybe that's the lesser of two evils.
Nathan Morris3 said:Maybe we should move past the soccer talk, since this stuff is a bit more serious and complicated than a game. If you really want a sports comparison, look at what happened yesterday—a penalty wasn't replayed even though it should have been because our players interfered with the kicker. That penalty changed the whole game, but obviously, the Spanish team isn't demanding a rematch over it.
Elections are different, I suppose, which is why they might be redone. There isn't any actual proof of fraud, just some irregularities that could, in theory, change the results. Usually, elections aren't rerun unless those mistakes actually impact who wins, which is why we haven't seen rematches before even when things weren't perfect. A redo in this situation is probably for the best, though I hate thinking the outcome might flip, especially since most of the complaints seem like a joke. The truth is, observers (including those from the Freedom Party) were signing off on everything without even checking.
Nathan Morris3 said:Like I mentioned before, things are rarely perfectly legal since there's always some kind of mess-up, even in these re-run elections. I guess the real question is whether those errors could even theoretically change the outcome. Laws are laws, though, and following this logic, we'd just keep re-voting until the Freedom Party candidate wins.
And I think you might have misheard; opening them a day early doesn't make the ballots invalid. If that were the case, they wouldn't bother with new elections because everyone knows how invalid ballots are handled.